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  • wbwynnwbwynn Posts: 246
    If you are sold on the A6, what makes the most sense: try for a great deal on a 2006 model or order a 2007. Pros and cons anyone? Thanks
  • rjlaerorjlaero Posts: 659
    It all depends on what kind of Audi spiffs are at the end of the model year. Right now, Audi is one of the few car companies that have -0- rebates of any kind across the board on their entire product line. The only thing I know of was the $1000 lease cash on the A6's 3.2's.

    Audi is making a concerted effort to raise the residuals and resale on all their cars across the board. The way you do that is stay away from rebates and to not depreciate your cars with cut rate pricing.

    It all depends on what -if any- kind of rebate comes out on the A6 in the next fews months. But remember, when Audi gives a big year-end rebate, they kill the residual as well. Even with a big discount, if you want to lease a car, you might be better off getting a 2007 model.

    But if you're a cash or finance buyer and plan to keep your car for quite a while, getting a nice discount on an 06 might work for you. Last year, Audi had as much as $4500 dealer cash on 2005 3.2 A6's.
  • liferulesliferules Posts: 531
    It also depends on which car you want...the 3.2 or 4.2. It is my understanding that the 4.2 will be with a new FSI engine for 2007, so that may be a pro (cool, new, fuel efficient engine) or a con (new engine) depending on how you see it. The 3.2 is not very different other than automated steering wheel option as far as I see.
  • rjlaerorjlaero Posts: 659
    The 3.2 is largely a carryover. A few new colors, 19 inch wheels as an otion on the Sline package, and the standard power tilt/tele wheel on the V6 models are a few highlights. The back-up camera on the technology package is the only other notable addition.

    The 4.2's for 2007 will get a bump from 335hp to 350hp, and will have FSI.

    I'm kinda bummed that Audi didn't squeeze a few extra ponies out of the V6 engine for 2007. The new 3.6 passat makes 280 hp, and it doesn't make sense how Audi would have a car with less power than the VW.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,084
    Do you yet know if you will get BOTH the camera AND the park sensors in the same car at the same time for 2007?

    And, do you think the Audi Q7 will translate into the same configuration on the '07 A6 (speaking of the camera/sensors?)
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,084
    Are you saying that you could order an A6 with two allowable colors and specify SLine?

    E.G., Night Blue Pearl + Amaretto w/Sline option?
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,084
    You can pay less "in cash" for a 2006 or possibly lease a 2007 for less (timing is everything.)

    If you change your cars every 30 to 42 months (no matter how you "finance" them) certain things will effect the transaction: MSRP, discount off MSRP and residual value.

    It is possible, for instance, to lease a 2007 car that has "$X" as its MSRP with $1,500 off but since it has a 10% (for example) higher residual it will be less than a 2006 that is offered at $3,000 off MSRP. And so on.

    Of course you may argue "but I be payin' cash!"

    And yes, the immediate cash out of your pocket would be less for the 2006 -- but the 2006 will have lost a larger percentage of its residual, so on the "asset" side, it is not worth as much to you should you wish to turn it back into cash.

    No free lunches.

    If you think you can buy your car, in cash, keep it beyond the effects of the sharpest depreciation (time again), then the 2006 in the above example may actually cost less.

    Then, however, you need to factor in "Total Cost of Ownership" which MAY rise at a point in time for the older of the two cars (despite the fact that they were both new when you purchased them.)

    Of course, if the discount is large enough, who cares?
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
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    Only seen that color on one A6. Sure makes it unique. :)

    -Paul
  • rjlaerorjlaero Posts: 659
    I'm assuming the back up camera will still have the rear parking sensors as well. Here's what the order guide says:

    07 Technology Package:

    -Voice recognition
    -Advanced key
    -Advanced parking system with rear view camera
    -DVD nav with color driver info center
    -sirius sat radio
  • wbwynnwbwynn Posts: 246
    Would it have front sensors too? It says advanced parking system...
  • rjlaerorjlaero Posts: 659
    I don't know if the advanced parking system has front sensors. I'll see if I can find out.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,084
    Guessing here: in the US front parking sensors are reserved for the A8's.

    On the Audi World sites, front parking sensors are just another option on most of the entire line(that we don't get here.)

    Ditto BMW's (except the X3, oddly.)
  • wbwynnwbwynn Posts: 246
    Looking for an Avant to use for many pro and college football tailgating parties ...not considering any SUVs. I drive a Lexus LS430 and just fell in love with the driving dynamics of the A6 Avant.
  • dan339gdan339g Posts: 56
    I'm glad to see that the power steering wheel is standard going forward, although disappointed it took them 2 model years to figure out that it is "basic" to an LPS in this price range. It wasn't even available as an option in 06 for the 3.2 model. I initially thought it wasn't such a big deal, but after living without it for 6 months now, I understand how unsafe it is to try to manually adjust the wheel while driving. I typically adjust the wheel when I settle in for a long highway trip, and for me it does require two hands which obviously isn't a good idea at 70+mph. I'm learning to be more forward thinking and adjust before I put it in drive, but definitely not as convenient as my 530i where the wheel would automatically adjust based on presets.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,084
    I believe the power column was avail elsewhere.

    I wonder what they were thinking since my 1997 A8 had this, as did my 2000 and 2001 A6's.

    Save a little money perhaps?

    Yet, I hardly miss it -- I rarely changed the setting even when it was power assisted.

    I am at least pleased that my manual wheel can be both tilted and telescoped and am nearly shocked when I note how many cars simply permit tilt.

    On the other hand, there is a piece of me that says, "the companies know they will NOT be updating their cars yearly in terms of major changes, so they make incremental changes (improvements one would hope) in year two, three and so on."

    The differences between my 2005 and the 2006's on the showroom floor are nearly invisible. The 2007's, however, will have some (largely cosmetic) changes (leather dash) and some new gizmos (rear camera.) Probably all of these changes could have been put into the cars in year one, but at a certain point, it seems that a new car is needed. The mild, incremental content changes in the second, third and fourth years are there -- IMHO -- to demonstrate continuous improvement and content advances that are "visible."

    Audi (like the others) often makes dozens or hundreds of changes that are or can be nearly impossible to fully suss.

    A backup camera and power articulated wheel probably do very little overall -- but at least they can be easily pointed to -- to differentiate the 2007's from the earlier models of the same (C6) version of a particular model (and model year.)
  • mikerochmikeroch Posts: 69
    Hi,

    Our new 4.2 Atlas grey/Amaretto will be here soon - can't wait!!

    Premium pkg
    Wood pkg
    Cold weather pkg
    18" Wheels
    Sport seats
  • liferulesliferules Posts: 531
    Well then, that makes your choice easier because I thought I've heard there won't be the 4.2 Avant in the US...

    Anyone else know the real answer?
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,526
    "The 4.2's for 2007 will get a bump from 335hp to 350hp, and will have FSI. "

    Anyone seen an official Torque number for the new 2007 V8?
    Thanks,
    - Ray
    Wondering if they bumped that as well . . .
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    I've been slowly narrowing down the field of luxury sport sedans to these two; M35X and A6 Quattro. I'd buy them both if I had no spending limits, but, alas …. How did anyone on this board, who considered both cars, decide on the A6?

    Subjective impressions have formed in my mind, based on driving and reading reviews of both cars. The M35X seemed to move off the line a bit quicker. I thought I felt a split-second hesitation with the A6. Sitting in and steering the A6 felt more like what I expected -- "nimble" is a word that reviewers seem to use a lot with regard to A6 and it matches my experience. Perhaps without any basis in fact (maybe someone here can point me to most relevant stats), I expect that M35X to be trouble free and the Audi to require a few trips to the dealer. Infiniti salesperson (completely unbiased :) said the M35 just requires oil change and tire rotation until 105,000 miles. On the other hand, A6 provides free maintenance up to 50K. My wife and son seem to lean toward M35X, mostly because, as passengers on my test drives, it feels more "luxurious" to them. The tufted leather put me off a little at first but they liked it right off and i got used to it. Edmunds 2005 comparison put both behind BMW, but Audi in second and Infiniti in third. Magazines seem to favor M35.

    Thanks, in advance, to anyone who has time and inclination to describe their weighing of these two fine cars against each other before choosing the Audi.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,084
    My #1 and #2 choices were Audi A6 3.2 with all the boxes checked (practically) or the Infiniti M35X with Journey, Technology and rear deck aero.

    I wanted the Amaretto or Bourbon leather.

    The differences in the cars were subtle, but I liked the Audi for several reasons that primarily have to do with the feeling behind the wheel and a long history with Audi.

    The price difference on a lease, however, at the time I ordered the Infiniti favored the Infiniti by ~ $200 a month on a lease that began with a $6. The Audi had full maintenance, but that might be $50 per month (but with 10,000 oil changes, that might be high.)

    At the moment, in time -- then, the Audi was the choice for performance, luxury, history, driving experience, etc etc etc. But not a couple hundred a month "better choice."

    For me, hands down, apples and apples (@ a very similar price, i.e.) the Audi out-did the Infiniti.

    When the lease numbers came in three months later on the Audi (after they found out I had purchased an M35X -- or at least placed one on order) they had somehow figured out how to configure the car I wanted in the exact color I wanted, order it and lease it to me for $641/mo 36 months, no upfronts, 45K and whack off the last two lease payments on my 2003 allroad (and no sec dep either.)

    The Infiniti almost identically equipped was $677.

    The Audi, prior to this had been about $850 -- poof the price drop allowed me to get the car I wanted all along.

    Today, my choice would still include these two -- but would be augmented by the inclusion of the 530xi WITH A STICK SHIFT -- which, all things being equal again would very likely get the nod.

    With the stick out of the equation, I would probably be back to a finishing order of Audi, BMW and Infiniti.

    These cars are converging in terms of the L and P components of LPS. Until there is a substantial difference, I would probably still evaluate the situation in no small part based on the MO/PAY.

    I always order my cars and would likely not have to play the "what's on the inventory list" game.

    Yet, one final thought: if the BMW dealer has the car in stock that I want and it is a stick shift and it does NOT have black leather, I might well consider it if it is price competitive with the other two.

    These three cars "get it" -- the two Germans moreso, today, than the Japanese. Look out though, improvements in the M35X will certainly put even more heat on the German rival's -- especially if the Japanese can do it for a competitive price.

    I ended up with:

    Cambridge Green Pearl/Amaretto Premium Leather
    Premium
    Convenience
    Cold Weather
    Sirius
    Parktronic
    SatNav
    Voice Control
    Advanced Key
    18"Wheels
    In-Arm Rest Phone cradle

    $53,286 MSRP $0.00 down $641/36/45K Drive off, first month, plate transfer fee.

    Wish I had gone the extra $250 for the sport suspension.
  • wbwynnwbwynn Posts: 246
    A long time Audi person put it to me best; he said "driving a japanese car is like driving a luxurious appliance that has no soul". Their vehicles are a dime a dozen, very uninspiring and unremarkable. There is no vehicle like the Audi...really.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,084
    I agree with what you have said, EXCEPT, their vehicles are certainly NOT now (not that they ever were) a dime a dozen in this class.

    The Lexus is the least involving and the Infiniti is the most (from my point of view.) I wouldn't buy, today, any Lexus product but that is different than thinking they are a dime a dozen. For me they are isolating in a way that seems to start off right and then end up beyond comfy beyond quiet -- too far beyond for my tastes.

    But these are serious contenders (especially the Infiniti) and are not in any way a dime a dozen.

    There are, increasingly, more NOW than ever (since 1977 anyway) more and more cars that are "like" Audi.

    Audi for nearly 25 years was rare, darn near unique -- and they frittered it away and have watched the competition heat up and up and up until the LPS crowd that is often discussed here on Edmunds has become more similar in terms of content and performance leaving the differentiation increasingly up to "style" rather than substance.

    Another corner heard from, i.e.

    Audi is, having said all the above, on a roll (in the US) -- for it has been sellling smartly for years against its rivals BMW and Mercedes (in Europe.)

    BMW comes out with X drive "as if" it had been doing it for 25 years (Audi really has.) Now, Mercedes -- very much like Audi -- offers virtually every product with at least available AWD.

    Audi was (that is past tense) different. Now, not so much.

    The breed (cars) is improving. Small comfort for Audi to see it is being copied in so many ways.

    It all started with the jellybean shaped Taurus (which was derivative of the Audi 5000) -- the march of the copycats has only accelerated.

    Whattya gonna do?

    Beware of believing there are no vehicles "like the Audi" for the entire market seems to be hell-bent to imitate them in so many ways.

    Of course, as usual, this is just my opinion, which is often wrong -- but I am NEVER uncertain.

    :surprise:
  • wbwynnwbwynn Posts: 246
    Great comments; I have been in a Lexus LS430 for the last 5 years; I am sure the current M35 is an advancement in driving dynamics, but my test drive of an A6 just blew me away. The Lexus is indeed so isolating....nothing wrong with that... It is what it is! BTW, I am going to buy or order an A6 Avant very soon.
  • bargamonbargamon Posts: 302
    My children will always be swayed by technology. But they are not buying or driving my vehicles.

    My wife has say on her car, but not mine. I love my wife to the end of time and thing the world of her [non-permissible content removed], but she don't get to pick my car seat. Her dimentions (thank goodness) are not like mine.

    The M is a nice care. The exterior is a bit bland, sort of looks like a ford fusion? Or five hundred?

    The interior has that "wiz-bang-new car-eye candy" look that is designed to grab you at "hello" and bring it home. But in two years, it will not be so. Kittens grow to cats.

    My 03' allroad looks great and while newer models are certainly nicer, if I had to drive this car for 20 years I can live with the interior. It is quality and ages well.

    The New A6 is a nice evolution of the Audi theme.

    My problem is no stick shift on the A6, and back seat on A4 is too tight for my needs.

    I agree with mark that based on Automatic choices the Audi and BMW would be on the top of my list.

    I also prefer to have less technology in the car and more road feel. The german car thing has its merits. But in terms of reliability, its not as high as Lexus. German cars just need to go to the dealer more often. If that bugs you out, go Japanese brands. Of my three cars, two are made in Japan. Oops, they are made in Indiana by a Japanese comapany!

    Remember, kids love video screens, and there are spouses that prefer luxury over anything. Whos driving this car Charlie? If its the Mrs., then get her what she wants.
  • rjlaerorjlaero Posts: 659
    I hate that you can't get a $250 sport suspension anymore, and have to buy the expensive S line package.

    I like the optional 7 arm 18 inch wheels. But a little drop would be nice as it sits a little high with the normal suspension.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,084
    Here's what kinda bugs me, you can't specify UHP A/S tires, you either have to take Summer Only UHP tires or HP A/S tires.

    I didn't used to think tires could "transform" a car.

    But the 18" wheels and 245 x 40 x 18" UPH All Season tires with inflation @ 38f 35r will make a huge handling difference.

    The ride height issue is about 20mm with the level one sport suspension, the ONE that used to be $250 over the price of the 18" wheel option alone.

    The SLine package is, frankly, more show than go -- BUT BUT BUT -- the SLine package with the UHP tire box ticked ups the wheels to 19" and adds the sport suspension.

    I have noted over the years that a higher performance tire on the larger (18 or 19") wheel offers THE greatest performance improvement (responsiveness, turn in, etc.) Now, of course, the lower suspension and the thicker anti roll bars and the stiffness in general add the finishing touches (sharply reduced body roll during hard cornering.)

    But the stiffer sidewalls of the UHP and Max performance tires do seem to mostly prevent the roll over on the tires that can happen with the lower performance H rated rubber.

    The SLine looks great. It seems about a grand or so too high to me though just on general principles.

    My dealer said very few people were happy with the sport package in 2005 and that the SLine cars sit in inventory much longer than the non SLine versions even if some of them have higher MSRP's (which is not THAT often.)

    The sport package with the summer only tires seemed to many to be too harsh and the tread life was, er, dismal.

    The A6 is bought at least as often for luxury as for performance, probably moreso.

    The A4 still allows the selection of the sport suspension for $250.

    The sport suspension is still a stand alone option (but not here in Vaspucciland) the last time I checked.

    Heck, the SLine Wheels are really sweeeeet looking. :cry:
  • rjlaerorjlaero Posts: 659
    Mark,

    You may have noticed, but Audi did tweek the sport suspension from 2005 to 2006.

    The 2005 models were quite harsh with the 18 inch wheels and either sport suspension or S line package. The 2005 cars sit lower to the ground that the revised 2006 models. More than a few people complained about the hard ride when the 05 sport model A6's first came out.

    The 2006 S line package feels great to me. It's a perfect set-up between looks, ride, handling, and every-day comfort.

    I just wish you could get that ride set-up for a little less money without the expensive S line. But as you said, those 5 arm wheels are quite sharp, and the S line grill and painted spoilers do add a nice look to the A6.

    The S line car in Atlas Gray is quite gorgeous. But Atlas is gone for 2007, and it's being replaced with Quartz, which is almost the same.

    There's also a Daytona Gray color exclusively available with the S line for 07.
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    WBWYNN,

    Regarding "driving a Japanese car is like driving a luxurious appliance that has no soul" and "Their vehicles are a dime a dozen, very uninspiring and unremarkable. There is no vehicle like the Audi...really." I agree with "There is no vehicle like the Audi", but in a sense different than the way you mean it. I found the A6 delightfully distinctive, but (unlike the Lexus ES350 I drove) the M35x was also delightfully distinctive. If cars were clothes, it would have been fun to arrive and see that all the designers and engineers had not ended up producing either the same good thing or one good thing and one bad thing. The arrival of the M35 on the scene has made the car shopping both more interesting and also … what … existential angst-filled in the sense of having to choose between two really interesting machines. What intrigues me about Nissan, in general, is how they have held on (sometimes at peril of bankruptcy) to the course of making the kind of cars they make (from the 240-Z thru the M35) in a car culture where, for the big successful manufacturers, it's an anomaly to send to the U.S. a really interesting (and not just economical/reliable) car. They have the only engine that has been on Ward's 10 best engine in the world list for 12 straight years.

    BARGAMON,

    I probably overused mentions of what my wife and son liked to convey the sense of how, even with three people on the same test drives, what impresses varies from person to person. I had not intended to say that I am looking for a consensus among the three of us about which car I buy. My driving experience comes first and I didn't find what I expected -- I didn't find myself wowed by the Audi and flat about the M35x. They both wowed me. In my memory (I'm going to drive them back to back again -- the dealers are about two blocks apart) the Audi A6 Quattro steering/handling feels more like an extension of me (in turns) while the interior is a bit harder than I'd like, but, other than that, slightly more in line with my aesthetics (more machine, less luxury). The M35x has a great engine/transmission and is not only quicker off the line but changes in speed seem to happen faster using the manu-matic. It seemed to me to give tighter control over shifting. I found most standing-starts in the Audi A6 V6 to have a momentary delay and then abrupt kick-in. The M35x just goes off the line. I also suspect that part of what feels a little more right and familiar (driving a BMW 325 now) is the rear-wheel-ness of the M35x, as compared with the front-oriented-ness of the Audi A6.

    One drawback to both (but not a deal-breaker for me) is that gas mileage, which drops down close to something like an SUV Mercedes ML 350. Consumer Guide, where they drove both cars for a substantial number of miles, they got about 16 mpg with either one in city driving.
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