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Audi A6

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  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,071
    I have the Green Pearl with Amaretto -- white was my first choice, but the Premium Amaretto Leather option was a non starter in June 2005.

    There are several white cars with very nice wheels on them -- classic elegance, IMHO. Add Amaretto and "instant tang!"
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,579
    white w/ the amaretto interior

    Excellent combo !

    Thanks for the update information sfcharlie.

    But....when is the '07 available?
  • roadtrip2roadtrip2 Posts: 3
    Highway mileage with '05 A6 3.2 has been in the 27-29 mpg range on long trips with short stopovers. Local mileage is under 20. I now have over 20,000 miles in the one year I've had the car. The car has been to Florida and California from Illinois home with no issues beyond its initial start switch problem which finally got a fix. Like Mark quite frustrating last year. Great car!
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,071
    I'm 8 months with no starter switch problem.

    I had the wheels balanced today -- probably will need new tires by end of the year.

    The OEM tires, High performance A/S are pretty lame in terms of performance, but they are quiet and, under the circumstances, comfortable.

    Audi -- please offer us more tire choices if at all possible.

    Computer systems should make this a no brainer.
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    I just ordered my new 2007 S6 (Silver with ebony) from my dealer. Just wondering if there are any others out there that have ordered the new S6? Curious about your color and option choices. Not to many options as the S6 is loaded with everything possible including a rear view camera that has lines to designate your backward movement. Look forward to the flared front fenders and the eye-popping 435 bhp V10. Heard it has one mean growl to it.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,071
    No, not me, but if you're looking to adopt a 55 year old and loan him your S6 (to take his wife out, natch) from time to time, I'm your man.

    I really really like my 2005 A6 3.2, really.

    My favorite Audi, however, of the 28, was NOT my A8, not even my two A6 4.2's -- nope, my favorite to this day remains my 1995 S6 with all options.

    I am certain my 2005 A6 is more refined, cleaner, probably not too much slower than the S6 and certainly safer by a factor of at least 5.

    The S6 (and I do believe the S4 and S8 would be the same) is a fantastic car, one that will most likely spoil you for almost any other car.

    Check out the review of the BMW, Audi and Mercedes in Automobile's July issue (I think it is July, anyhow.)

    First time in history -- the Audi bested the Bimmer.

    I read the report and both cried and swelled with pride (figuratively speaking) -- the S6 sounds like the maximum fun you can have.
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    I'll ask my wife if she would like another child, already trained to boot! Thanks for your input. We also have an 2005 A6 4.2 S-Line and a 2005 A8L W12. I have always owned Audis and find them exquiste to own and drive. You are right about the 1995 S6. A very rare and special car if you can get one. I know several ACNA members that own one and bring it to the track. Audi has always had these refined sports sedans the most people did not understand. I did read the article and I too cried and swelled with pride. But, Audi has been beating BMW consistently in many comparos. The 7-Series always places behind the refined A8L and the A6 beats the 5-Series in pretty much all the comparos. But it does show what a fantastic car the new S6 is considering it has 100 bhp disadvantage compared to the other two, but pretty much bested both the MB and BMW in overall driving and definitely quality and refinement if read closely between the lines. And the S6 is not even the main competitor as quattro GmbH is going to release the RS6 within a year or year and half.
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    You'll probably get more congratulations and envy than "I'm getting one also" responses.

    So, to keep a bit of attention on Audi (the actual sales dark horse, underdog even to Infinity M35, which is often pointed to as the one you won't see everywhere, as you will with BMW 5-series), Automobile Magazine wrote: "We expected the S6 to be notably slower and less involving, with more androgynous handling qualities and less feedback overall. But we were wrong. Despite the near total absence of drama, its set of reflexes is complete. Quattro is a bonus not only in winter or when it rains: it also ties the car down well through dips and brows, makes carving the twisties much more relaxed, and always-always-puts the power down. Instead of bothering you with weight distribution or traction-control issues, the S6 simply goes where you point it. No, power oversteer is not easily induced, but when you whip all three cars through a wet corner, there is one clear winner. And at an estimated $75,000, the Audi is the most affordable supersedan...The fact that the M5 has fallen so far so fast tells you three things: That this is an extremely fast-moving business. That even a well-founded status quo can be eroded by clever evolution. And that the big-engine-in-a-mid-size-car game is more competitive than ever."

    Same can be said, in varying degrees, about still-underrated entire A6 line -- even when compared to BMW 5-series, I believe.

    Please tell us more about buying experience and expected arrival date.
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    If there is a 10% increase in mpg, along with the increase in hp, as a result of FSI system being added to V8, what would mileage be like, given what any of you are getting with 4.2 now?

    Has anyone ordered a 4.2 S-Line? Anyone driving a 2005 or 2006 4.2 S-Line? Havne't heard much about that, but saw one in newspaper being sold with only 5K.
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    Strange how the A6 is the "dark horse" in the US, but it is the number one selling mid-sized luxury vehicle in the world and leads its tier 1 rivals the 5-Series and E-Class in Europe. It's like the A8L...the most underrated luxury car in the US once again, but one the most popular luxury vehicles in the rest of the world. I think we will "get it" eventually here once AoA cleans up its marketing arm a little better and actually starts to "understand" the brand somewhat more.

    Anyway, the buying experience has been as the article states "absent of any drama." I have a very strong relationship with my Audi dealer and my brand associate, so the buying experience is always top notch. It is very easy to specifiy a S6. You have the Technology Package: (voice, parking system with rear-view camera, DVD Nav, Sirius); Warm Weather Package : (Solar Sunroof, Power Rear and Side Window Sunshades): Rear Airbags, Adaptive Cruise, Heated Rear Seats, Leather Driver Side Dashboard, and the tire package of 19" rims. You can choose either black or silver headliners with either an ebony or silver interior (0nly two choices in the US). The colors available are Brilliant Black, Light Silver Metallic, Brillant Red, Quartz Gray Metallic, Ibis White, Phantom Black Pearl Effect, or Sprint Blue Pearl Effect.

    The S6 is due to arrive by late October or November. All my Audis are pretty much special ordered, and I always seem to get them faster than the specified date given me usually by a month. But my dealer has quite a bit of orders already on hand ahead of me for the S6 as well as the S8.
  • wbwynnwbwynn Posts: 246
    What will the RS6 add to the S6? And, can you get the Avant in an S6 package?
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    Yes, the S6 is available in the Avant version, but only in Europe and the rest of the world (excluding the US). As for the RS6 few actual details are known, but the powerplant is rumored at anywhere from a 520 to 550 bph V10, likely bi-turbo (though no one is sure of this yet). The rest one can assume it will be like an RS4 on steriods. As for specific features, no details are available as of yet, unless someone else knows something.
  • schuhyschuhy Posts: 1
    I ordered an '07 A6 4.2 S-Line around mid-May - delivery expected in early August. I researched and test drove the A6, M45, E350 and BMW 530 over a 12 month period before deciding.

    I narrowed the list to the A6 and M45 and frankly thought both were great cars. My final decision was based more on personal taste factors than anything - I preferred the A6 interior and exterior design, it was a little quieter than the M45 and just seemed a little more refined to me. Of course the response and handling of the A6 s-line sealed the deal and put a smile on my face every time I test drove it!

    Incidently, this will be my first Audi. Nearly every LPS where I live is a BMW or Mercedes, so it will be nice to drive something different. My fingers are crossed regarding the long term reliability!

    There was also one other factor: from my review of the various forums/chat sites (e.g. Audiworld), I sensed that Audi owners have a great passion for their cars. I'm not saying that the others didn't, however it was much more apparent with the Audi owners and this is something I'm looking forward to being part of.
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    "Strange how the A6 is the "dark horse" in the US, but it is the number one selling mid-sized luxury vehicle in the world and leads its tier 1 rivals the 5-Series and E-Class in Europe. It's like the A8L...the most underrated luxury car in the US once again, but one the most popular luxury vehicles in the rest of the world. I think we will "get it" eventually here once AoA cleans up its marketing arm a little better and actually starts to "understand" the brand somewhat more."

    Perhaps the positive momentum is builing: "July 1, 2006
    Audi of America June Sales Highest in 2006
    Source: Audi of America

    AUBURN HILLS, Mich. – Audi of America, Inc., today reported 8,039 vehicle sales for the month of June, an 11.3 percent increase over year ago sales. This is the fourteenth monthly sales increase over the past 17 months, and a positive indication that Audi will meet its goal of record sales in 2006.

    Sales in June were up or on par across the Audi line up. The all-new Q7 performance SUV tallied 1,310 sales in June, the first official month of sales for that vehicle. Sales of the A3 and A6 models were up significantly again, 17.9 percent and 10.5 percent, respectively. The Audi A3 recorded 665 sales in the U.S. , with most sales coming from the all-important Southern California market."

    The Q7 might bring a new segment of the marketplace into Audi showrooms.

    When you order a car (if you intend to lease it) do you then find out the lease rate money factor and residual numbers when your unit arrives?
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,071
    Audi owners do indeed have a passion for their cars, club membership, regional get together's, driving schools, group trips, memorabilia, modifications and accessories for both their cars and their backs.

    Having the Audi wheel and tire concession sometimes seems like it would be a license to print money.

    Audi gear of all kinds is always popular.

    Local Audi dealers literally fight for the right to have regional shows from corporate take place in their facilities.

    This kind of passion seems, around here, to be reserved for Audi, BMW and Porsche. The Infiniti and Lexus dealers are wonderful facilities, like the lobbies of four and five star hotels complete with concierge service -- but the passion for driving the cars, impossible to hide at the Audi or BMW or Porsche store is almost impossible to find at the high end Japanese dealerships.

    Get this, there are multiple Volvo dealerships in our big town (small city?) of Cincinnati, the newest one seems to have figured out (somewhat) the passion formula, similar to the Audi, BMW and Porsche guys. Heck, even one of our Saab dealers has a good passion rep, too.

    Here is the impression I get:

    You walk into the Audi or BMW store and you are greeted by someone who "knows your name" and who offers you homemade cookies, coffee, or a drink from the selection of fresh juices and designer bottled water -- while you're here use our Internet terminals with broadband connection, browse our selection of local and national newspapers and/or watch one of our plasma TV screens. Three salespeople, only ONE of them who gets commission from your biz, stop to chat about cars, your vacation, her vacation and family.

    Then, they call you and invite you to test drive a car even though they know you are two years from the end of your lease -- just for the fun of it.

    Upon entering the wood covered inner sanctum of the Japanese Lux dealership, you are greeted by a host or hostess and called sir or madam and the associates all seem to be in suits and they're wearing the jackets. At the German dealer, the dress code tends more to dressy casual rather than business attire.

    The entire aura at the upper crust Japanese dealerships is big 4 CPA or Law firm proper. Back slapping, so to speak, just wouldn't do.

    Now, don't get me wrong, the Japanese dealerships around here are NOT stuffy and/or stand-offish as my description might suggest -- they seem to be much like the experience you may have had at a fine hotel with the concierge.

    It strikes me as odd, somewhat, that the folks tend to talk about the high zoot stereo systems, attention to detail in the seats on the dash, etc. Performance is only discussed if you broach the subject.

    Both the German lux and Japanese lux experiences are top notch -- heck, the last time I visited the Infiniti dealership they had a person standing behind a spread of fresh shrimp on ice, cheese cubes and seedless grapes offering small glasses of "just so" Pinot Grigio and quite willing to chat about the music-video DVD that is playing on both the front and rear DVD screens of the M35X with premium package (I think it was an Eagles concert).

    Now of course, I am most familiar with these Cincinnati Ohio dealerships -- the experience in Chicago or Miami or Dallas (although I did visit the Dallas Audi/Porsche "dual" and was treated to a similar German experience -- that is, a lot more emphasis on "performance" and talk about driving the S4 or Boxster, etc.)

    I wonder if the dealer training these various companies seem to have been imbued with is the way the manufacturer wants it? Or if this is market specific or just a coincidence here in the German city of Cincinnati?

    The dealer experience I prefer, here in our fair city, is exemplified by both the Bimmer and Audi stores (and almost the same from the Volvo guys and one of the VW dealers too -- with an honorable mention to the Saab dealer.)

    Just wondering how the experience at the dealerships you shopped struck you? :shades: ">
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    I decided not to lease this vehicle as I keep my cars about 5 years or so. However, I did inquire about a leasing program and no lease rate money factor or residual numbers were available. My dealer was "guessing" that the program would be similar to the current RS4. However, they use multiple banks so the final numbers would not be negotiated until delivery. I prefer to purchase anway.
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    Your long-term reliability will be just fine. The build quality is one of the best.
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    My experience is very similar to yours. When I go to my Audi dealer whether for service or to purchase I am always greeted by my first name. Generally, it takes me about 30 minutes to get to the topic at hand as we wind up catcing up or discussing the latest Audi products or Audi Drives by my local ACNA chapter. There is a strong passion among Audi owners that I enjoy. Generally, the sales assocoiate, especially mine, is an Audi enthusiast (his Audi appeared in "European Magazine" last year) so I have great respect for him. The General Sales Manager is the same. The Dealership is elegant, new, and very high tech in appearance with plasma TVs, computer terminals, Quattro Cafe with a coffee bar (a mini Starbucks) and various foods if you like. There is receptionist to greet you and will get a coffee or whatever you need for you. The atmosphere is casual and the dealership welcomes and encourages owners to come in and just "hang out" if they like. I always have a good experience and everything gets done as promised. Anyway, I find that my dealer goes out his way. I am quite sure not all dealers do this, but I have found this at several Audi dealers in my area.
  • liferulesliferules Posts: 531
    Welcome to the family! :)

    I wear my Audi T-shirt frequently when bumming around. You will not be disappointed with the quality and drive of the car.

    Congrats.
  • wbwynnwbwynn Posts: 246
    I am buying my first Audi...an ordered 2007 A6 Avant...after being in a Lexus LS for 6 years. The Audi test drive was nothing short of stunning to me...I was overwhelmed by the handling, sound, and overall satisfaction with the A6.

    Having owned 2 BMWs amd a MB, I was just so impacted by the difference between Japanese and German engineering. Being in a Lexus LS430 for years had literally dulled my senses to point that driving characteristics did not matter anymore....that is..until I drove an A6...it all came back to me. I am ranting. but I am excited about being in the Audi family. I can see an S6 Avant in my future...let me break in slowly. Thanks BW
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Anybody know of the S6 brake system is markedly improved than the standard A6 brakes? Had a guy at work ask me about upgrading his A6 brakes to the S6 brakes. Would he have to replace his 18" wheels to fit the brakes?

    -Paul
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    "Your long-term reliability will be just fine. The build quality is one of the best."

    I struggled with this question of worrying about (and then reassuring myself about) Audi reliability. I ended up getting an M35, but not without some regret every time I see the A6, which I loved looking at and driving.

    On the other hand, Automobile Magazine's new August issue reports their long term (25K) test of the A6 and they had to bring their's to the dealer 8 times in one year for warranty repairs.
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    I have an 2005 A6 with 20,000 miles on it and it has not gone in for anything, but oil changes. Ditto on my A8 and other A6 Avant.
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    Hope this helps:

    Quoted from a S6 German press release earlier this year:

    The Audi S6 is equipped with 19-inch cast aluminum wheels of a 5-arm wing design. The wide tires are of size 265/35 R19. An 18-inch brake system assures supreme braking performance and is resistant to fading even under high loads. Its four large discs are ventilated, the discs on the front wheels measuring 385 mm (approx. 15.1-in.) in diameter and those at the rear measuring 335 mm (approx. 13.1-in.). The brake calipers are painted black, and are adorned with an exclusive S6 badge at the front.
  • liferulesliferules Posts: 531
    That's what really bugs me about these magazines and car shows doing "long-term reliability updates". They are basically just anecdotal instances and not very representative of the whole car series but just one individual example.

    I would much prefer they survey 100 or 1000 A6 owners for reliability data. This would be much more useful.

    For what its worth, I've had to take my car into the dealer 3 times other than service in the last 18 months (but again, this is anecdotal ;) ).
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    I don't mean to imply that one magazine having had a test-car that needed 8 repairs in the first 25K ought to be more influential to a prospective buyer than your no-repairs-needed experience (and similar reports from other Audi owners on this and the LPS forum). It's just what it is.

    I think Audi is currently the most exciting, satisfying line of cars available and it's a shame that a magazine which, in comparative reviews, really liked Audi, ends up with a unit on which it will report to thousands of readers.
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    "I would much prefer they survey 100 or 1000 A6 owners for reliability data. This would be much more useful."

    That's what Consumer Reports and JD Powers do and the usefulness and relevance of their survey data has recently been hotly contested (especially with regard to Audi) on the Luxury Performance Sedan forum.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Thanks. :) Looks like he'd be needing new wheels. Wonder what else would be swapped.

    -Paul
  • dan339gdan339g Posts: 56
    Another anecdotal report...my 2006 3.2 is now 8 months old with 5K miles and has been trouble free, other than the auto up/down feature with the driver's front power window control mysteriously stopped working, and then corrected itself about two weeks later. I'm still not sure I didn't somehow deactivate it via some obscure MMI sub-menu option. It goes in for it's first service next week, and I plan to ask if others have experienced this issue. Otherwise, the more I drive it, the more I like it :-)
  • liferulesliferules Posts: 531
    I agree that's what Consumer Reports and JD Powers do. I put much more credibility into their reports. IMO, reporting long-term reliability based on one leased auto is stupid and irresponsible. It may skew readers inappropriately away or toward an auto despite the auto's true reliability. I think magazines and TV shows should do away with this feature as it is of no value and in fact is harmful at people may be misled by them...
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