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  • I believe you also get Advanced Key -- pushbutton start -- and a backup camera.
  • Thanks for the reply,

    I was also also wondering if Sirius was part of the package instead of the Advanced parking. Since the advanced parking is offered as an individual option, where as Sirius is not offered as an individual option on the website. Guess i will have to pop by the dealership this weekend. Its a pitty they did not have any A6's for test drives the last time i went by.
  • I have seen quoted acceleration 0-60 times from 7.1 sec. to 7.9. What is accurate?
    J :confuse:
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Hi - I've created two new discussions and moved some recent posts from here to them. Please join us:

    allagaroo, "Audi A6 Audio Questions" #2, 18 Jan 2007 11:30 am

    dbates1, "Audi A6 Tires and Wheels" #2, 18 Jan 2007 6:24 am

    If you haven't already, don't forget to go to the group top level - Audi A6 - and Track the whole Group so you don't miss anything. The link is on the right over the discussion list.

    :)
  • kgarykgary Posts: 180
    Since my bump brought the LPS forum back to life, I thought I would bump the A6 forum. Is anyone else having the fuel filler release problem (it works intermittently) on an 05? If so, what is the fix?
  • brian124brian124 Posts: 38
    Option questions for those with knowledge about current A6 model:

    1. Does the Adaptive Cruise control work as advertised?

    2. I'm sure the sports seats provide more lateral support, but are they as comfortable as the standard seats for use in normal driving? Some sport seats tend to be too firm.

    3. For those in a cold climate, does the heated steering wheel heat up significantly faster than the interior of the car on a cold day?
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,102
    I can respond to #2 and #3 only:

    2. This is so much a factor of your body -- I'm 6', 185 pounds, medium frame. Sport seats are a bit unpleasant to "mount" and "dismount." Once seated, however, I find them comfortable, especially for long trips where you don't want to stop for a stretch break. Others have posted that with a slightly, er, "wider" girth (I have a 36" waist) than mine, they are a bit like a belt that is one notch too tight. You may find one you can test, if so, let your GM be the judge.

    3. Heated steering wheels (I've had three Audis with them) are very nice, they heat up faster even than the heated seats, and both wheel and seats heat up much quicker than the interior of the car. I do not like to drive with an overcoat on, nor do I like to drive with lined winter gloves. Heated buns and fingers allow me to sit in my totally cold car with my overcoat safely placed on the back seat. Don't leave home without them (buns and fingers or seats and wheel?) Uh, seats and wheel, natch.

    I've read a bunch about the ACC -- yes it works as advertised. But, it works, perhaps too well for some folks. Here's why. We all know the driver's ed 101 instruction of X car lengths for every 10 MPH, right?

    When I was learning to drive it was, at the then maximum legal speed limit, at least 6 car lengths at 60MPH.

    Well, bunky, just try to maintain 6 car lengths at 60MPH -- at least 3 cars will try to cut in front of you.

    You'd have as much chance of getting to one average car length for every 10MPH as you would of never having someone be a "left lane bandit," or passing on the right side (also known as the suicide.)

    If ACC were "free" or of exceptionally low cost, I might get it because I like technology. Using it, practically speaking, seems as if it could be somewhat to a lot frustrating.

    Try driving AND NEVER passing on the right. There will be someone who gets on the Interstate, in the left most lane of 5 or 6 and goes -5MPH (under) the speed limit, refusing your turn signal "hints" to yield and move over.

    Try allowing a computer to maintain a pre programmed distance between you and the car in front -- assuming it can be set to be "3 car lengths" at 88 feet per second, well, it might work. Here in Cincinapolis however, we have I-71, I75, I275 and I-471 -- good luck with that between 7 - 9 am and 4 - 7 pm.

    I use regular cruise control on trips between Cincinnati and Columbus (~100 miles) and even then congestion can, from time to time (and/or construction) limit its ability to help maintain traffic flow and/or reduce fatigue, etc.

    I can only assume ACC in our "big town" would be futile, and would remain thus until one started on the longer trek between Columbus and Cleveland.

    Of course, I've only read about it -- perhaps its ability to slow you down in "anticipation" is worth the investment; of that, however, I just cannot comment.

    Drive it like you live! :shades:
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,102
    I don't know where to post this, so, I'll post here and link from the Cadillac CTS and LPS forums. Here goes:

    My 2005 C6 A6 despite some, to me, very few minor issues -- always cheerfully repaired by Audi -- is as tight as the day I got it.

    My reading of the Previews of the CTS AWD, etc., etc., seems to indicate it will be brought out with about, but not quite the same "L" features as my "LPS" A6. In some ways, however, it will still, even as a 2008 model, have less, less, less than a 2005 Audi A6.

    Now, truth be told, I don't really need push-button start. But I have come to appreciate the "smart key" aspect, especially when coming out of the grocery store, hands full. I understand the CTS will, of course, have keyless entry, but it will still be that same old dumb key, or so it seems.

    My 2005 A6 has BlueTooth, voice command and the ability to suck power from the A6 for the cell phone and the cell phone uses the shark fin antenna to achieve both higher clarity and lower drop outs -- and it is not after market, it is built in. While I currently don't have a backup camera, I do have parktronic and were my car a 2007 with the option packages I have, it WOULD have a backup camera AND parktronic. I don't seem to be able to tell if the CTS will have either. It seems, by omission, it will not.

    BlueTooth is nice, but since I use the in-car cradle, I am less impressed. Regardless, it is written that BlueTooth will be delayed by 6+ months for the US version of the CTS.

    The CTS's big deal was to be the stick shift (be still my heart) and the 300HP engine. Yea? Well, it seems that stick, 300HP and AWD are not possible (maybe not) -- however, I have stopped fighting that battle. The auto trans even in my tiptronic is the best auto ever and has "virtually" no lag. I give up -- "video killed the radio star." If you get my drift. I'd not disqualify the CTS for transmission choice alone.

    So a 2008 CTS will come out, pounding its chest and it can't even muster 2004 state of the art LPS features? (remember the 2005 A6 was conceived in 2002, or 2003 and finalized in 2004.)

    Yea, well it may be $10,000 less than my $53,286 A6. But I still am thinking a similarly equipped (as my A6) CTS can't possibly be ONLY $43K (can it?)

    The A6's interior fit and finish, the lighting features, the infinite control afforded by MMI -- all for no money down and $640 per month for 36 months. Can Cadillac even come close?

    Yet, given reasonably attractive choices that are close in feature, function, content, etc, I would, even after 28 Audis, 2 VW's and 2 BMW's, "like" to acquire an American car. No really, I would!

    On the other hand, my A6 can be CPO'd for 100,000 miles (total) for about $1,250. Add, a new set of tires, brake pads, a new battery, an updated NAV DVD, a little TLC in the form of a complete professional detailing job and few on the planet earth will know if it is a 2005, 2006 or 2007 -- as if I really cared. :blush:

    If the buy out is attractive (and with Audi's somewhat low residuals -- well, it could be), perhaps I should wait for the 2010 CTS (or Audi A4 or A6 -- or maybe even the 2008 A5) and drive a three year old car that is engineered at least as good as a new CTS and is featured and contented arguably better than a new 2008 CTS will be for perhaps at least one or two MY's.

    "Why does love have to be so sad?" :confuse:
  • brian124brian124 Posts: 38
    Thanks for the feedback.
  • liferulesliferules Posts: 531
    I don't know, Mark...the CTS has a great engine and typical caddy features and gizmo's but to me, at least, the drive is still waay too spongy. It definitely doesn't have that German, stiff/tight drive that I've become accustomed to having with my C6.

    I agree, though, that AOA is being a little stuffy about deals on leases and purchases. BMW is far cheaper these days for the same amenities, and many cars can be bought for cheaper with numbers that surpass the A6 (Infiniti, Caddy, etc... not that I personally like them better, but they have better numbers in one way or another compared with Audi)...
  • albellalbell Posts: 185
    I have an 06 A6 Avant and the adaptive cruise control and can say that it absolutely does work as advertised. I did not think I would care for it or ever use it (i rarely used conventional cruise on previous vehicles.) While it's still not a must-have for me, I do like it and use it often.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,102
    I am ONLY speculating, but I am speculating about the upcoming 2008 CTS with the 300HP engine, Sport Suspension, upsized wheels, 6spd and AWD.

    Not that I disagree with the premise: "spongy."

    It is too soon to know if the thing will be an advancement of the model, from what was "not bad" (but not German) to, worth considering for the price differential, content and wheelbase/track (that are, after all, mid-sized German-like -- 113" WB, e.g.)

    When a new 5 series Bimmer can be leased for what seems to be an impossibly low number, well, there is still the lure of the BMW...and Audi does from time to time come up with some great loyalty incentives.

    The jury is STILL out.

    Heck, the new A4 might be a contenda too!
  • kgarykgary Posts: 180
    On February 20th, Audi came out with a new MMI update. It is known as CD 4FO 906 961 AB. It replaces the MMI update that came out on November 1, 2006. You can get the update by complaining about losing the surround sound setting(TSB 91 07 08), strange noise or no sound through radio (TSB 91 07 05), cursor jumping in radio memory list (91 07 06), problems displaying satelite stations on screen (91 07 11). The other good news is that the dealer no longer needs to arrange for a rep. There are step by step instructions. If anybody wants a PDF of the TSBs for the new update, as opposed to the old update, let me know.

    Kevin
  • aveghteaveghte Posts: 68
    My wife and I live in South Florida so driving in snow is not a factor but the roads can get very slick with rain in the summertime.

    Does Quattro offer performance and safety advantages over front-wheel drive? The added weight may slow the car down somewhat and the horsepower on the 3.2 model probably is not sufficient to cause torque steer problems with FWD, right?

    The price is significantly higher for Quattro so we don't want to pay extra for something that will not be useful.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    I moved some posts that were more logically placed in another discussion. Here's the link: lansdownemike, "Audi A6 Audio Questions" #15, 10 Mar 2007 12:19 pm.
  • allagarooallagaroo Posts: 88
    I got my car 2 weeks ago and noticed that the cargo net wasn't in the trunk. Dealer told me discontinued item. In addition, I just noticed that the storage drawers underneath front seats don't seem to be the there. The front flips down but I can't locate a drawer?
    Any one else aware of this?
    J
  • brian124brian124 Posts: 38
    If you are comfortable driving front wheel drive cars from a performance standpoint and you live in FL, I wouldn't pay the extra for quattro. That being said, I know that in other parts of the country, the resale value is much higher on the quattro and it pays for itself. I don't know about FL. Talk to the dealer.

    What you will get out of the quattro, is much better acceleration on wet slippery roads. I recently rented a newer Volvo S80 which had front wheel drive. What I noticed most versus driving our audi A6Q, was torque and a tendency towards wheel spin when accelerating from a stop while making hard right turns at intersections. With quattro, you will get none of this on dry or wet roads. Newer cars are getting engines with more torque and this is becoming a bigger problem with front wheel drive cars in my opinion. As far as handling on open roads, I don't think the AVERAGE driver would notice any difference.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,102
    Quattro improves the handling, weight distribution, resale, safety (I would argue) and driving pleasure.

    You may be able to soldier on without it.

    If you go that route, NEVER, drive a quattro, you'll hate yourself in the morning.

    Take it from a guy who got a non quattro in 1993, big mistake.
  • brian124brian124 Posts: 38
    I live in Ohio. I would never buy an Audi without Quattro. I agree with what you are saying but he lives in Florida.

    Also, it might be a stretch to say that quattro improves safety over a fwd vehicle used in Florida. The FWD is lighter and would stop faster (negligible). Driven to its limits, a car equipped with quattro would definitely handle better and be safer for that type of driver. But how many of us drive a car to its limits? That's why I prefaced my statement with "average" driver.
  • liferulesliferules Posts: 531
    Quattro is better for all types of driving. I live in TX and LOVE it. Going from a front-wheel drive car to the Quattro was like going from night to day. It literally GRIPS the road. It is most noticeable when starting from a stop at an intersection/road with loose gravel, where you would usually spin out the wheels. It is also very much noted when driving on wet roads. Here in TX they get very oily and slick when the occasional shower comes through.

    I personally feel it is very useful and a great safety feature. Could you live without it? Yes, but it wouldn't be very fun...
  • brian124brian124 Posts: 38
    For argument's sake, what do you mean by "great safety feature"? On wet roads, how is a Quattro going to keep you safer? Accelerating faster is not a safety feature. I have a A6Q and a SUV with 4 Wheel Drive. I admit, I often put my SUV in 4x4 in the summer on wet roads, but that is for acceleration only. Yes, in the snow, 4X4 can help you stay on the road but on a wet road?? I just don't get it. Are you really driving your car that hard on wet roads that you need front and rear wheel drive to pull your car back on the road as you slide? Keep in mind, we are comparing an Audi with Quattro against a FWD Audi with ESP (Stability Control) not an old sports car with rear wheel drive.

    I'm just trying to be objective. I will conceed, that Quattro is more fun.
  • allagarooallagaroo Posts: 88
    I don't believe a car has to be driven near its limits to benefit from Quattro. It gives you a very secure feeling in the wet that once I had I will not get a car without AWD again. I used to be concerned when I had my BMW 5 series( before X) and Q45 when it would rain and forget snow. Even in the dry it eliminates torque steer and to me out handles FWD. I'd get it wherever I would live.
    J
  • brian124brian124 Posts: 38
    "I used to be concerned when I had my BMW 5 series..."

    Yes, and the sun is hot.

    BMWs are some of the worst cars to drive on slick roads of any kind. I used to have a BMW and the dealer himself told us to park it when the roads got bad. Again, we are not comparing rear wheel drive BMWs to Audis.

    I give up.
  • liferulesliferules Posts: 531
    Don't confuse 4x4 with Quattro. Quattro has special gearing to prevent tires from spinning out, instead using others to keep traction on the road. 4x4 just has all 4 wheels moving, regardless of whether one is spinning or not. Its not the accelerating faster aspect, its the fact that the car will actually move forward in a straight line. What is different between snow and rain in terms of wheels losing traction on a road? To me it is very similar, especially when rain gets onto an oil slicked road.

    I don't believe there is a driver out there that hasn't lost traction when driving in the rain or on wet roads, whatever speed they are driving. ESP will prevent wheels from spinning purposelessly, but if only FWD, you may be sitting still, whereas, Quattro will allow the car to move forward and maintain the speed you were moving, rather than dangerously slowing down, potentially getting rear-ended.

    And, no. I don't drive "hard". I drive the speed limit (give or take 5-8 mph), but still feel the difference on wet roads. I disagree with your assertion that one needs to drive the car "to the max" to achieve benefits of Quattro. It kicks in at normal driving on less than optimal roads all the time, maybe you just don't notice it...

    As to whether Quattro truly improves safety, refer to the AOA website as well as numerous other sources that tout its safety.
  • brian124brian124 Posts: 38
    You might be confusing traction control with Quattro. Unless Quattro has recently been changed, I'm not sure I know what you're talking about. My A6Q does not have traction control (it was not offered on the 2000). I assure you that I can spin all four wheels and slide it sideways on snow or oil slick roads. And, please don't go on a Jeep or Toyota forum and say what you did on your post about 4X4.
  • liferulesliferules Posts: 531
    No, I'm quite comfortable saying Quattro.

    Did you read the link? Have your Googled "quattro"?
  • brian124brian124 Posts: 38
    Guys, I think Audis are great cars! I own one. My next car will be a new A6 4.2 Quattro. They handle great, better than cars without it, etc, etc. But Quattro does not allow the car to avoid the laws of physics.

    Not to burst your bubbles, but the differential Audi uses to control their 4 wheel drive system is manufactured by a firm called JTEKT. It is called a Torsen differential. Hummer, Ford, Chevrolet, Toyota, Honda, and Subaru use Torsen differentials in some of their cars and trucks with 4 wheel drive. Many of them have setups that are nearly identical to your A4s and A6s. (Now I'm going to get thrown off this forum for heresy!)

    Yes, Audi of course claims that having a car with Quattro (Torsen differential) is safer on all types of surfaces than one without. The only aspect of the Quattro system that makes it unique to Audi and safer on ALL surfaces is on SOME models Audi places the Torsen differential inside of the transmission. This allows Audis to use the engine/clutch to brake using all four wheels. This has obvious safety and control advantages on all surfaces when using the engine to brake. Also, you can understand the benefits to race cars that are being driven to their limits and use the engine to brake routinely. Automatic transmision Audis DO NOT use this setup. That is not to say there are no benefits on wet or dry surfaces.

    As I stated before, four wheel drive is more fun to drive than front wheel drive, Quattro eliminates torque steer, improves acceleration, etc.

    The guy was just asking for opinions and I said that if HE WAS COMFORTABLE with the performance of a FWD (which I am not but many people are) he should consider the FWD Audi. Many people buy Audis because of their interior and exterior styling and road manners. My wife for instance would have no idea if she was driving a Quattro or FWD Audi. She just thinks they look good. Let's call a truce.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,102
    . . .the resale value improvement alone justifies selecting the car with quattro.
  • any suggestions...still a fairly expensive car for an 02, and have never owned an Audi before....any adivce??
  • brian124brian124 Posts: 38
    Sorry, I can't help it.

    Edmunds is showing that in Florida, a 2002 A6 with Quattro has a trade in value of only $730 more than a FWD with CVT. In other words, your car is going to depreciate more in Florida if you have Quattro. Certainly this is not the case in northern states.
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