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  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,938
    Well, that was a [load]. Seems like they would've made an exception since you were too far away from your Audi dealer.
  • If your dealer is 300 miles away, you will not be pleased with the experience.

     

    Franchise Rules -- true enough, however, if you were to arrange special dispensation from the Audi of America management, there is no reason that a VW dealer could not work on the kissing cousin Audi -- and, again with special dispensation they are set up, becuase of the Phaeton, to handle all maintenance for free.

     

    Audi would have to agree to pay the VW dealer for the service however.

     

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    I see no reason to believe that the Audi would be more or less troublesome than the BMW. Other than routine work and one recall, my 2003 Audi allroad has been almost trouble free for 41,000 miles.

     

    Not that I have any thoughts that I would want one past 50,000 miles without a warranty -- but the same goes for BMW.

     

    If you WEALLY WEALLY Want the Audi, try asking for special dispensation. What could it hurt?
  • Another thing to consider is whether there is an import car specialist in your town--if so, check to see if they have Audi certified mechanics. My parents have started doing this because the Audi dealers where they live are inconvenient to them and are generally obnoxious--they're very happy. I've used the guy on a couple of ocassions while in town visiting my parents, and have the same opinion of him. (It doesn't hurt that he's expressed interest in buying my A4 when my A6 comes in.)
  • One hopes that the Audi reliability is improving (as indicated by JD Powers ratings on the A4). However, one can never make guarantees, especially on a new model. I agree with the above posts, get the car you really want, but if its close, then chose the BMW for dealership locality...
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  • I've owned both. Now....if this were Lexus, Acura, Infiniti, et al, I would say go with your gut/heart. But not here.

     

    I wouldn't own a BMW, Audi, or Mercedes that far from a dealer. Chances are you'd be fine...but what if something DOES go wrong?

     

    Plus, schedule free maintenance on both. You going to drive the 300 miles for it?
  • kscctsksccts Posts: 140
    Excellent point on the maintenance.
  • I looked at both vehicles and came to the conclusion that the Audi was a better car and better buy. But since it was my first Audi and due to the bad reliability rap on german cars, I decided to Lease and dip a toe in the water so to speak. I really don't see how you can buy a vehicle which requires a 300 mile trip for maintenance and repairs-unless they bring you a loaner and flat bed if something happens. There have been posts about a problem with the 05 4.2 engine so it it somehting to think about. My 3.2 has been flawless but its basically brand new and too early to tell.
  • Liferules:

     

    You nailed it! Thanks. I can feel a significant improvement driving in Sport Mode. The dealer has also told me that it takes time to "train" the computer with the drive by wire mechanics and to try establishing a driving pattern that is comfortable. I'm just used to my old 740i Sport and the completely smooth feeling during acceleration. I hope the lurching does not become an issue when it starts to snow her in Minneapolis and get slippery. Thanks for your tip. TVettel.
  • How is the compuer trained? And does driving in sport mode ruin the training program/procedure. I have been using sport mode almost exclusively because the lag is annoying.
  • I assume that the training on the 6speed tip is the same as on the 5speed. If it is not, well as Emily Latella used to say "never mind."

     

    Turn the key to the on position -- do not start the car, however. Completely depress the accelerator pedal (you may feel a very slight resistance when you think the pedal is all the way down -- increase the pressure on the pedal just a bit to see if you can press through the resistance. Don't get carried away, this is not major resistance -- another couple of pounds of pressure from your foot is what I am suggesting.)

     

    Theoretically, if you perform this action, the computer is sent a reset command (think alt control delete).

     

    The transmission is supposed to learn your habits, but it also has a "prime directive" and that is upshift, upshift, dance to the music, upshift.

     

    The only way to override this directive is to force the transmission to stay in gear for a bit longer than "it wants to." And, the only way to do this is to start from a standing start with a bit more throttle tip -- think "jackrabbit" start (but this does not mean you need to floor the car from dead stop with the selector in D. It just means that instead of driving like there was an uncooked egg in the shell between your foot and the pedal, you will press slightly harder, perhaps hard enough to break the imaginary egg.)

     

    What this will do is make the car "believe" that it needs to -- of its own "free will" -- remain in first gear longer than 1 foot or 2 or 3 mph whichever comes first.

     

    This tip lag effect was most pronouced on my A8 and my second A6 (a 2001 model) with the 4.2 engine. Sometimes I would come to a NEAR full stop (perhaps at a yield sign, for instance) and press the pedal and literally nothing would happen for perhaps a second or a second and a half -- usually about three quarters of a second into this "routine" I would either become irritated, frustrated or "panic" due to on-coming traffic or overtaking traffic if this situation occurred on an entrance ramp to a freeway. Then at three quarters of a second I would floor the accelerator and the car (remember I was in the 4.2 V8) would LUNGE forward -- and if I had passengers they either thought I was a poor driver or that I had had temporary engine cut-out (which, after all, is exactly what it feels like).

     

    I test drove a 2002 S6 and did not notice this "feature." I have read and re-read about the RS6 and it too lacked this feature.

     

    It HAS to be the programming, it really is a feature -- I believe it is designed to do this, not that it is a "bug." I do not know if the European market gets this release of the software, but I cannot imagine this is anything other than "the way it is told to operate."

     

    Ultimately, I got rid of the car opting for a 2003 allroad (which at the time was the ONLY A6 based Audi that could be had with a stick shift -- people ask me why I wanted a station wagon, which I didn't want, and technically didn't buy as the allroad is a crossover car -- but I digress.)

     

    I have test driven, three times, the new A6, once for a long long time -- I did NOT notice this "feature" -- but I 100% believe you have it.

     

    DBW or Tip-lag -- heck I'm not automotive engineer or transmission programmer. But I do know this, it is NOT unique to Audi. It has been "fixed" but first you have to find the right person within Audi who will understand and who can authorize a change to the software to mitigate this "feature."

     

    It is particularly hard to "fix" something that technically isn't broken.

     

    The "S" mode seems to be a work-around that alleviates this issue -- just remember once you hit the freeway to move back to D for improved economy (and from time to time, floor the accelerator -- let it know "who is der boss!")

     

    To repeat this is the 5speed tip story -- I can and have only assumed this is applicable to the 6speed.

     

    Doh!

     

    Homer out!
  • Mark--

     

    There are a number of posts on the forums at Audiworld suggesting that the very solution you describe is equally applicable to the 2005. There are also some suggestions as to how to use VAG-COM to reprogram your engine computer...

     

    FWIW, I plan on sticking to the "floor it" solution. Messing with my Gateweay is one thing; reprogramming my $50K auto is quite another!

     

    --Scott
  • Apparently so, but anytime I have mentioned another automotive web site, my post has been purged. We'll see if your's is retained.

     

    I would not want my car reprogrammed externally either. I was not endorsing such an approach.

     

    What I would really want is for ALL of us to petition Audi of America to bring the manual versions to our shores -- and train the sales reps to demo them.

     

    Drive one of these machines with a stick shift and it will change your mind -- Oh, I guess that means hi tail it over to the local BMW store and ask to test drive a new 2005 5 series with a stick, as far as I know they still come with this as a choice.

     

    All I hear about is "emissions" regulations prohibit AoA from bringing this to our shores.

     

    Until or unless they update the programming at the factory, I would opt for a 6speed manual in a heartbeat.

     

    My wife REFUSES, which is stronger than my approach, to even consider an automatic. I will go ahead and get one but probably be somewhat disappointed that a stick was not available.

     

    I just don't see the attraction of the manual given its (and this is NOT just Audi) current weaknesses. Perhaps a CVT or DSG would be OK, if avail on the A6 lineup.

     

    Let's all give me a pity party.

     

    There, I'm over it.
  • jeqqjeqq Posts: 216
    Hi Mark,

    Manuals are fine by me, but why should there be any lag in the Audi automatics? I haven't driven the BMW 530 that much, but I did not feel any lag and they also have auto/tip.
  • I recently compared the two vehicles in the title (since the 2005 S4 is not yet available in NA) on numerous variables--one of which was fuel consumption. The model comparison tool on www.audiusa.com's Web site indicated that fuel consumption for the A6 is 17/23 while consumption for the S4 is 15/21. Standard tires on the A6 are 245 mm wide while on the S4 are 235 mm wide (the A6 hypothetically has a very slightly larger contact patch with correspondingly greater friction on dry pavement). The A6 weighs 300+ pounds more than the S4 (comparably equipped). The 4.2 liter engine--although tuned slightly differently in each model (with emphasis on the word slightly)--is the same engine.

     

    If anything, I expected the fuel consumption figures for the S4 to be higher than for the A6. I have to assume the comparison figures--most likely from AOA--are incorrect. Does anyone have more accurate data?
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,593
    Based on my short ride in a DSG/TT 3.2 I can assure you there is NO LAG whatsoever. It shifts faster than any human being could, even the ones named Schumacher, Montoya, Hakkinen and the like.

     

    Beats me why Audi and VW don't make some noise about this cool setup.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • My lease on a 2002 A6 2.7T 6M is up in March and AOA is not selling a manual for 2005. My wife and I love the car - it's the best one we ever had. But we will not drive automatics, not even a Tip. So I am moving down to the 2006 A4 with 6M, and a 2006 BMW 330xi 6M for my wife. This way, we both get AWD and a 6-spd manual. I'm not waiting for Audi to realize that the manual has a market here. If they want to lose market share in the A6 to other makers, that doesn't bother me one bit. Let them find out the hard way.
  • It's me again with the one week old 2005 A6 3.2l. Aside from the acceleration lag, I am having a devil of a time getting used to the brakes, which have a very hard bite. Should I ask the dealer to back them off a bit? I'm concerned that the snow and ice will be hard to drive in with brakes that stop the car if your foot so much as twitches. Ideas? TVettel in Minneapolis.
  • maui19maui19 Posts: 31
    I have a '05 A6 and I am facing the same thing. My throttle problem is not lag, but non-linear response. Press a little, the car goes a little. Press a little more, and the car shoots forward. I reset the throttle using Mark's technique from above, and the throttle response is much more linear (and therefore far more controllable). But after a day or so of driving, the car has re-adapted to its twitchy self.

     

    I too find the brakes horribly touchy at low speeds. Just the slightest press at low speeds will cause the nose to dive and the car to lurch almost completely to a stop. I am actually looking forward to slippery conditions because then the ABS will kick in and smooth things out.

     

    This is bad enough that I may be taking the car in for service.

     

    BTW, I am the one who posted Mark's tip on Audiworld.
  • jeqqjeqq Posts: 216
    Definitely go in and have them fix both problems. Let us know what the outcome is. This doesn't sound good to me.
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