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  • wbwynnwbwynn Posts: 246
    What will the RS6 add to the S6? And, can you get the Avant in an S6 package?
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    Yes, the S6 is available in the Avant version, but only in Europe and the rest of the world (excluding the US). As for the RS6 few actual details are known, but the powerplant is rumored at anywhere from a 520 to 550 bph V10, likely bi-turbo (though no one is sure of this yet). The rest one can assume it will be like an RS4 on steriods. As for specific features, no details are available as of yet, unless someone else knows something.
  • schuhyschuhy Posts: 1
    I ordered an '07 A6 4.2 S-Line around mid-May - delivery expected in early August. I researched and test drove the A6, M45, E350 and BMW 530 over a 12 month period before deciding.

    I narrowed the list to the A6 and M45 and frankly thought both were great cars. My final decision was based more on personal taste factors than anything - I preferred the A6 interior and exterior design, it was a little quieter than the M45 and just seemed a little more refined to me. Of course the response and handling of the A6 s-line sealed the deal and put a smile on my face every time I test drove it!

    Incidently, this will be my first Audi. Nearly every LPS where I live is a BMW or Mercedes, so it will be nice to drive something different. My fingers are crossed regarding the long term reliability!

    There was also one other factor: from my review of the various forums/chat sites (e.g. Audiworld), I sensed that Audi owners have a great passion for their cars. I'm not saying that the others didn't, however it was much more apparent with the Audi owners and this is something I'm looking forward to being part of.
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    "Strange how the A6 is the "dark horse" in the US, but it is the number one selling mid-sized luxury vehicle in the world and leads its tier 1 rivals the 5-Series and E-Class in Europe. It's like the A8L...the most underrated luxury car in the US once again, but one the most popular luxury vehicles in the rest of the world. I think we will "get it" eventually here once AoA cleans up its marketing arm a little better and actually starts to "understand" the brand somewhat more."

    Perhaps the positive momentum is builing: "July 1, 2006
    Audi of America June Sales Highest in 2006
    Source: Audi of America

    AUBURN HILLS, Mich. – Audi of America, Inc., today reported 8,039 vehicle sales for the month of June, an 11.3 percent increase over year ago sales. This is the fourteenth monthly sales increase over the past 17 months, and a positive indication that Audi will meet its goal of record sales in 2006.

    Sales in June were up or on par across the Audi line up. The all-new Q7 performance SUV tallied 1,310 sales in June, the first official month of sales for that vehicle. Sales of the A3 and A6 models were up significantly again, 17.9 percent and 10.5 percent, respectively. The Audi A3 recorded 665 sales in the U.S. , with most sales coming from the all-important Southern California market."

    The Q7 might bring a new segment of the marketplace into Audi showrooms.

    When you order a car (if you intend to lease it) do you then find out the lease rate money factor and residual numbers when your unit arrives?
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,049
    Audi owners do indeed have a passion for their cars, club membership, regional get together's, driving schools, group trips, memorabilia, modifications and accessories for both their cars and their backs.

    Having the Audi wheel and tire concession sometimes seems like it would be a license to print money.

    Audi gear of all kinds is always popular.

    Local Audi dealers literally fight for the right to have regional shows from corporate take place in their facilities.

    This kind of passion seems, around here, to be reserved for Audi, BMW and Porsche. The Infiniti and Lexus dealers are wonderful facilities, like the lobbies of four and five star hotels complete with concierge service -- but the passion for driving the cars, impossible to hide at the Audi or BMW or Porsche store is almost impossible to find at the high end Japanese dealerships.

    Get this, there are multiple Volvo dealerships in our big town (small city?) of Cincinnati, the newest one seems to have figured out (somewhat) the passion formula, similar to the Audi, BMW and Porsche guys. Heck, even one of our Saab dealers has a good passion rep, too.

    Here is the impression I get:

    You walk into the Audi or BMW store and you are greeted by someone who "knows your name" and who offers you homemade cookies, coffee, or a drink from the selection of fresh juices and designer bottled water -- while you're here use our Internet terminals with broadband connection, browse our selection of local and national newspapers and/or watch one of our plasma TV screens. Three salespeople, only ONE of them who gets commission from your biz, stop to chat about cars, your vacation, her vacation and family.

    Then, they call you and invite you to test drive a car even though they know you are two years from the end of your lease -- just for the fun of it.

    Upon entering the wood covered inner sanctum of the Japanese Lux dealership, you are greeted by a host or hostess and called sir or madam and the associates all seem to be in suits and they're wearing the jackets. At the German dealer, the dress code tends more to dressy casual rather than business attire.

    The entire aura at the upper crust Japanese dealerships is big 4 CPA or Law firm proper. Back slapping, so to speak, just wouldn't do.

    Now, don't get me wrong, the Japanese dealerships around here are NOT stuffy and/or stand-offish as my description might suggest -- they seem to be much like the experience you may have had at a fine hotel with the concierge.

    It strikes me as odd, somewhat, that the folks tend to talk about the high zoot stereo systems, attention to detail in the seats on the dash, etc. Performance is only discussed if you broach the subject.

    Both the German lux and Japanese lux experiences are top notch -- heck, the last time I visited the Infiniti dealership they had a person standing behind a spread of fresh shrimp on ice, cheese cubes and seedless grapes offering small glasses of "just so" Pinot Grigio and quite willing to chat about the music-video DVD that is playing on both the front and rear DVD screens of the M35X with premium package (I think it was an Eagles concert).

    Now of course, I am most familiar with these Cincinnati Ohio dealerships -- the experience in Chicago or Miami or Dallas (although I did visit the Dallas Audi/Porsche "dual" and was treated to a similar German experience -- that is, a lot more emphasis on "performance" and talk about driving the S4 or Boxster, etc.)

    I wonder if the dealer training these various companies seem to have been imbued with is the way the manufacturer wants it? Or if this is market specific or just a coincidence here in the German city of Cincinnati?

    The dealer experience I prefer, here in our fair city, is exemplified by both the Bimmer and Audi stores (and almost the same from the Volvo guys and one of the VW dealers too -- with an honorable mention to the Saab dealer.)

    Just wondering how the experience at the dealerships you shopped struck you? :shades: ">
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    I decided not to lease this vehicle as I keep my cars about 5 years or so. However, I did inquire about a leasing program and no lease rate money factor or residual numbers were available. My dealer was "guessing" that the program would be similar to the current RS4. However, they use multiple banks so the final numbers would not be negotiated until delivery. I prefer to purchase anway.
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    Your long-term reliability will be just fine. The build quality is one of the best.
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    My experience is very similar to yours. When I go to my Audi dealer whether for service or to purchase I am always greeted by my first name. Generally, it takes me about 30 minutes to get to the topic at hand as we wind up catcing up or discussing the latest Audi products or Audi Drives by my local ACNA chapter. There is a strong passion among Audi owners that I enjoy. Generally, the sales assocoiate, especially mine, is an Audi enthusiast (his Audi appeared in "European Magazine" last year) so I have great respect for him. The General Sales Manager is the same. The Dealership is elegant, new, and very high tech in appearance with plasma TVs, computer terminals, Quattro Cafe with a coffee bar (a mini Starbucks) and various foods if you like. There is receptionist to greet you and will get a coffee or whatever you need for you. The atmosphere is casual and the dealership welcomes and encourages owners to come in and just "hang out" if they like. I always have a good experience and everything gets done as promised. Anyway, I find that my dealer goes out his way. I am quite sure not all dealers do this, but I have found this at several Audi dealers in my area.
  • liferulesliferules Posts: 531
    Welcome to the family! :)

    I wear my Audi T-shirt frequently when bumming around. You will not be disappointed with the quality and drive of the car.

    Congrats.
  • wbwynnwbwynn Posts: 246
    I am buying my first Audi...an ordered 2007 A6 Avant...after being in a Lexus LS for 6 years. The Audi test drive was nothing short of stunning to me...I was overwhelmed by the handling, sound, and overall satisfaction with the A6.

    Having owned 2 BMWs amd a MB, I was just so impacted by the difference between Japanese and German engineering. Being in a Lexus LS430 for years had literally dulled my senses to point that driving characteristics did not matter anymore....that is..until I drove an A6...it all came back to me. I am ranting. but I am excited about being in the Audi family. I can see an S6 Avant in my future...let me break in slowly. Thanks BW
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Anybody know of the S6 brake system is markedly improved than the standard A6 brakes? Had a guy at work ask me about upgrading his A6 brakes to the S6 brakes. Would he have to replace his 18" wheels to fit the brakes?

    -Paul
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    "Your long-term reliability will be just fine. The build quality is one of the best."

    I struggled with this question of worrying about (and then reassuring myself about) Audi reliability. I ended up getting an M35, but not without some regret every time I see the A6, which I loved looking at and driving.

    On the other hand, Automobile Magazine's new August issue reports their long term (25K) test of the A6 and they had to bring their's to the dealer 8 times in one year for warranty repairs.
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    I have an 2005 A6 with 20,000 miles on it and it has not gone in for anything, but oil changes. Ditto on my A8 and other A6 Avant.
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    Hope this helps:

    Quoted from a S6 German press release earlier this year:

    The Audi S6 is equipped with 19-inch cast aluminum wheels of a 5-arm wing design. The wide tires are of size 265/35 R19. An 18-inch brake system assures supreme braking performance and is resistant to fading even under high loads. Its four large discs are ventilated, the discs on the front wheels measuring 385 mm (approx. 15.1-in.) in diameter and those at the rear measuring 335 mm (approx. 13.1-in.). The brake calipers are painted black, and are adorned with an exclusive S6 badge at the front.
  • liferulesliferules Posts: 531
    That's what really bugs me about these magazines and car shows doing "long-term reliability updates". They are basically just anecdotal instances and not very representative of the whole car series but just one individual example.

    I would much prefer they survey 100 or 1000 A6 owners for reliability data. This would be much more useful.

    For what its worth, I've had to take my car into the dealer 3 times other than service in the last 18 months (but again, this is anecdotal ;) ).
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    I don't mean to imply that one magazine having had a test-car that needed 8 repairs in the first 25K ought to be more influential to a prospective buyer than your no-repairs-needed experience (and similar reports from other Audi owners on this and the LPS forum). It's just what it is.

    I think Audi is currently the most exciting, satisfying line of cars available and it's a shame that a magazine which, in comparative reviews, really liked Audi, ends up with a unit on which it will report to thousands of readers.
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    "I would much prefer they survey 100 or 1000 A6 owners for reliability data. This would be much more useful."

    That's what Consumer Reports and JD Powers do and the usefulness and relevance of their survey data has recently been hotly contested (especially with regard to Audi) on the Luxury Performance Sedan forum.
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Thanks. :) Looks like he'd be needing new wheels. Wonder what else would be swapped.

    -Paul
  • dan339gdan339g Posts: 56
    Another anecdotal report...my 2006 3.2 is now 8 months old with 5K miles and has been trouble free, other than the auto up/down feature with the driver's front power window control mysteriously stopped working, and then corrected itself about two weeks later. I'm still not sure I didn't somehow deactivate it via some obscure MMI sub-menu option. It goes in for it's first service next week, and I plan to ask if others have experienced this issue. Otherwise, the more I drive it, the more I like it :-)
  • liferulesliferules Posts: 531
    I agree that's what Consumer Reports and JD Powers do. I put much more credibility into their reports. IMO, reporting long-term reliability based on one leased auto is stupid and irresponsible. It may skew readers inappropriately away or toward an auto despite the auto's true reliability. I think magazines and TV shows should do away with this feature as it is of no value and in fact is harmful at people may be misled by them...
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