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  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    "infinity" ... typo ... I drive an M35 and see the correct spelling of Infiniti while standing at the rear of the car during each (frequent) fill-up.

    Yes, you're right, my point was not that the A6 4.2 is a bargain car, just that, from a hp-per-mpg perspective, you could (if you are lusting after the 4.2) sort of console yourself with the knowledge that you're getting a lot more horsepower than some engines give back for each gallon you feed the 4.2

    As for EPA versus reality, I (and a couple of other M35 owners with whom I've struck up conversations) are getting about 17 mpg in mixed city/highway driving (even when it's less city and more highway) -- from our (EPA) 18/25 cars.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,569
    As for EPA versus reality, I (and a couple of other M35 owners with whom I've struck up conversations) are getting about 17 mpg in mixed city/highway driving (even when it's less city and more highway) -- from our (EPA) 18/25 cars.

    Wow, that's low. I'm getting about 23mpg in mixed driving, but my car (over a year old) is of course broken in. I guess whatever the car, if you're a lead foot your mpg suffers.
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    "Wow, that's low. I'm getting about 23mpg in mixed driving, but my car (over a year old) is of course broken in. I guess whatever the car, if you're a lead foot your mpg suffers."

    You're driving the A6 3.2?

    It could be that my car is just through the 1200 mile break-in period. I filled up this morning and had gotten an even 18 mpg on the last tank.

    As for "lead foot," well that's a bit of an inferential leap for you to have made. Actually, seeing the low mpg, I've been somewhat preoccupied with keeping a light touch.

    If you look at the consumer reviews of the M35s on Edmunds, the most frequent comment under the "cons" of "pros and cons" is "needs better mpg." The 5-speed transmission is clearly geared to produce maximium acceleration for the Nissan V-6 and not so much a balance of power and mpg.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,569
    You're driving the A6 3.2?

    I have an M35 sport.

    Anyway, I agree with the comment that the M should have better gas mileage, but I expect yours will improve.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,049
    . . .is the longest of the long.

    The first change I would attribute to break in comes around 5,000 miles. At that mileage, the power of the car seems to improve as does the "coasting" ability.

    Now, I say this with over two dozen Audis, since 1977 -- virtually all of them do this. We have had the 4's, the 5's, the 6's, the turbo 4's, 5's and 6's and three 4.2 8's.

    The current 3.2 V6 is as close to the V8 feel and sound as I could've hoped for. It is buttery smooth and has, from time to time exceeded 30MPG on the highway, at high speed, in the Summer between Cincinnati and Pittsburgh.

    Then something interesting happens at 10,000 miles -- the power and mileage improve again. And the coasting ability gets so good, it is as if you reach 65MPH and take your foot off the gas and you need to verify that your cruise control isn't on, 'cause it just keeps coasting as if you are going down hill in neutral.

    15,000 miles pass without much drama but perhaps the mileage ever so slightly improves. Then 20,000 miles comes along and you know the computer has been preprogrammed to give the last measure of torque to the engine (why not allow this from 5,000 miles?, it makes me wonder.)

    The miles to empty on fill ups routinely exceeds 600.

    In day in day out driving, it exceeds 500.

    These, BTW, are the trip computer's readings -- I have not personally verified this.

    Now, I can drive the mileage down, by using the tip shift and by forcing the engine to remain in 5th gear and by "playing" with the tranny in "S" mode.

    Overall, I assume that with a bit more aluminum, a 7 speed transmission and the 3.0TDI that my mileage would easily exceed 36 (and I'd get a tax credit and 0-60 acceleration times of 6.9 seconds (a not insignificant pick up of .2 seconds all the while using cheaper fuel that goes 20% farther).)

    Now, in the spirit of full disclosure, we ONLY have 93 octane here in Cincinnati and I keep my front tires @ 38pounds and the rears at 35 (18").
  • desertfox1desertfox1 Posts: 80
    FWIW - Her is an email I got from Audi this morning.

    A plan for European delivery is under consideration, but no decision has been announced as yet. For the question of future TDI models in North America, an announcement may be made by the end of this calendar year.

    Again, thank you for writing. If we can help in any other way please let us know.

    Marjorie

    AudiTalk
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,210
    It's been interesting to me that both BMW & Mercedes have offered ED (maybe Volvo does too, but I don't care) and Audi doesn't. Sounds like they're not going to anytime soon, either.

    As for diesels, the Audis that I've driven in Europe have all been diesel -- if I ever bought an Audi, it would be a diesel. At the moment, the only European diesel automobiles sold in North America that I'm aware of are the VW beetle & Jetta. Oh, and the Jetta avant (available with a diesel everywhere else on earth) isn't available.

    If Audi brought diesels here first (lux or near-lux), it could be something that differentiates the brand, much as AWD once did.

    Sounds like we shouldn't hold our breath for any of this.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,049
    Audi WILL be bringing diesel to the US.

    I suspect the MY will be '08 or '09.
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    From Business Week Europe on Yahoo! Finance

    In the latest J.D. Power & Associates customer satisfaction survey for Germany, Audi was one of the biggest gainers in 2006, tying with BMW and rated No. 7, the highest-ranking non-Japanese brand in the survey, which was led for the fifth year running by Toyota.

    The annual J.D. Power report, released July 5, shows Audi made big gains in vehicle quality and customer service, and scored high in vehicle appeal.

    In the 2006 reader survey by German magazine Auto Motor & Sport, Audi swept the rankings, overtaking both BMW and Mercedes for best car in the compact [A3), executive sedan [A6], and luxury sedan [A8] categories. "Audi has had to overachieve," to win its place in the premium market says Karl Ludvigsen, president of Euromotor Consultants in North Hampton, U.K.

    It's not just in Germany where Audi is on the upswing. In J.D. Power's 2006 French survey, BMW and Audi scored higher than they did among German owners, ranking No. 2 and No. 5 respectively, with Honda (HMC) taking first place. The annual survey measures cars on quality and reliability, vehicle appeal, service satisfaction, and ownership costs.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,049
    . . .than to report to this forum, that at 20,000+ miles on my 2005 A6 3.2, I actually could see keeping the car beyond the lease term. Were the cost of doing so remain constant or decline (let's just say I CPO'd it before the OEM warranty were up and extended the service contract -- both now options that can be purchased), this is a real possibility.

    This car (other than a slight stone crack on the windshield) has not aged one bit other than for what I would consider normal wear on the tires.

    With as many cars, Audis in particular that we have had, this car seems to somehow have resisted aging. It seems tight, it actually has a stronger engine feel and everything works.

    Now, the question "will I keep it?" Financially, it rarely seems to work. If my $640ish payment (which at the moment includes full maintenance and 100% warranty) could continue, and the same $640 would not buy an acceptable newer (2008?) replacement, well, "maybe."

    The point remains -- this car is screwed together very well.

    I only wish it had an in-dash CD and that I could've ordered UHP A/S tires (and what the heck, I still have a mild regret that I didn't equip it with the sport suspension, but I'm almost over that -- almost.) :surprise:
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    Mark,

    If the new model, say, the 2008, had the 40/60 front/rear power split (instead of the current 50/50 traditional quattro split) would that influence you?

    Charlie
  • sfcharliesfcharlie Posts: 402
    About Audi A6, from Australian reviewer:

    "Why you'd buy it:: Contrary to public perception, Audi makes better quality cars than BMW and Benz and has done so for about the past five years. The trouble is (the Why you might not buy it is) that "these new and improved Audis are still paying for the sins of Audis of old, which were not as well built. Car valuers hit Audis unfairly hard because the public and the industry are stuck in a time warp."

    Of course, the starter switch problem reported by the woman on the Audi problems forum -- and that same problem being emphasized in the Automobile magazine long term test report -- tends to keep the wariness about Audi alive in the collective consciousness of potential buyers. It did for me, as some of you know (ad nauseum).
  • Marketing puffery from a practical standpoint.

    Whoa! Here is what I mean.

    I would rather have 40 60 f/r than 50 50 f/r in an ideal world.

    But, but, but:

    The torsen system is "instantaneous." I don't "need" the rear bias on a normal sub 8/10th's driving regimine.

    Keep the thing at 50 50 for all I care -- here is what I would want were I granted but ONE wish.

    50 50 f/r WEIGHT balance and keep the 50 50 f/r torque split -- "I'll get by, just fine."

    If I had a magic wand:

    50 50 f/r weight balance

    40 60 f/r torque split

    dual diagonal shocks (like are on the RS4 and the previous RS6)

    a 7 speed "DSG" transmission

    a turbo charged diesel engine (4.2TDI) with all the clean burn stuff known to automotive engineering.

    I don't want much, I know.
  • rjlaerorjlaero Posts: 659
    Pricing was just announced on the S6 @ 72 grand. With most options and the gas tax, you'll be under 80 grand. I think that's a pretty resonable price point for the V-10.
  • Recently acquired Audi A6 and Verizon Treo 700p. They work together with little setup effort, including Audi bluetooth phone system recognizing and using Treo "Favorites" list as your "Phonebook".
  • I had a surprising experience with my 06 A6 3.2 this week. I had driven by a construction site near my home, with lots of "spillage" of materials and activity onto the street. As I passed it occurred to me the chances of picking up a nail in one of my tires was probably pretty good. Sure enough, the next time I started the car, the tire pressure warning light came on. I inspected the tires, and found a single nail driven into the driver's front wheel (all the way in to the head). It appeared to be in there very snugly, and after checking the air pressure manually it showed the recommended pressure. I've since checked 3 other times, and the pressure appears to be holding steady (as are the other tires). I can only conclude the system registered a change in pressure for a fraction of a second as the nail entered, and this caused the warning light to activate? Seems like that type of change would be almost too small to detect, unless there is some other sensor that registers punctures? In any event, I'll be bringing the car is this week to see if the hole can be plugged. Does anyone know whether the monitoring system has to be reset somehow?

    Thanks.
  • Have a 07 A6, the dealer installed Sirius (not installed at factory). Everything works fine. However the information for the channel you are listening to does NOT scroll from left to right, so longer song titles and groups are truncated:

    Hootie and the Bl
    The Long and Windi

    My portable sirius receiver and other cars I have been in with Sirius have scrolled left to right. Is this a quirk with my install or is this the way it is with Audi and Sirius?

    Thanks
  • Unfortunately, that's the way the MMI works (or doesn't work...). CD songs likewise get cut off after 15 letters (I'm guessing).

    I agree, scrolling would be a simple thing to have for such a complex and expensive car, but these autos still seem about 5 years behind the technology curve (no MP3, USB jack, etc...).
  • My Lease is up on Oct 5th.

    My rear brakes needed pads last month. They fixed, but now rear rotors are warped. I told them.

    Scheduled another appt. they said they can't cut them, and its within acceptable tolerence. I guess they don't want to do the work on a car about to get turned in and about to go off warranty?

    Numerous lack of attention to details like not doing things they suppose to and having to prove that work was not done!

    Funny, the only letter I get is the instructions on how to turn it in. NO loyatly offer, no call from salesmen or dealer to inquire my intentions.

    The dealership changed hands about 18 months ago and has gone to hell. The manager is now at BMW down the street.

    Guess where I have been hanging out?

    Why? He knows how to run a dealership and you can get a manual transmission on every car except a 7 series and the new X5 coming in November.

    I loved my Allroad experience and loved the car. I love the Audi car and its place in the market. I love the look and the drive of the new A6.

    But, this dealership and its staff is awful and the lack of any incentives really is baffleing.

    I understand profitablity needed to increase both at Audi and its dealership network, but this is crazy.

    Giving up the free maintenance thing is stupid (nothing is free but built into the price) and besides they seem to me to not really want to do it anyway.

    Im glad they are doing so well they don't need another customer.
  • I would agree that the customer facing side of the Audi business model needs some significant refinement. I purposely chose to purchase from a smaller dealer that prides itself on customer service, but I would describe it as just above average (although I've yet to need any work done on the car, so my opinion may change). Their strategy for managing the customer relationship(indeed if they have one)lacks the sophistication and polish of my previous experiences with BMW and even Volvo. That aside, they should immediately fire their marketing executives and advertising agency...they have some great products and yet I see no meaningful efforts to create a compelling message/image around these cars relative to the other LPS offerings. In this segment where there are so many good choices, just having a great product does not necessarily result in sales. I fear Audi (in the US at least) still has some work to do in this area to be in the Mercedes and BMW league.
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