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  • Thanks for the feedback. It's good to know that others share my enthusiasm for the A6 2.8Q. It's by far the best car I've ever owned.
  • Actually, I got a car. But the day ain't over yet. Just kidding. Well, maybe not. Let me go talk with the missus.
    I picked up my new A6 2.7T, Casablanca White w/ Melange interior, Preferred luxury, Premium, Bose, and Sunshades. I just love the car. The end-of-model-year lease deals were just too good to pass on, and right now I intend to buy the car at lease end.
    I also wanted to thank all of you. I've been lurking on this board for some time, making it part of my mandatory homework, and comparing this car with the S80, GS, 5 series, and a few others. I just came away with the overwhelming impression that the A6 was no doubt the best (and safest) buy for the money. Thanks you all for your good information and input. This forum has been a wonderful resource.
  • lime52lime52 Posts: 2
    IN SPEAKING WITH A LOCAL AUDI DEALER TODAY ABOUT LEASE SPECIALS HE MENTIONED THEY HAD TWO AVAILABLE. THE FIRST WAS $399/MO. O DOWN ON 2001 2.8 MODELS. THE SECOND OPTION WAS $499/MO 0 DOWN ON A 2001 2.7T. WHILE THEY BOTH SOUNDED GREAT MY INITIAL INTEREST WAS IN THE 2.8. HE REPLIED BY STATING THAT THEY WERE ALL GONE, BUT HE HAD 18 2.7T'S AVAILABLE.

    MY REACTION IS TO TRY AND GET THE DEALER TO GO FOR $450/MO. TO RELIEVE HIM OF ONE OF THE 2.7T'S BASED ON THE FACT THAT 1) THEY SEEM TO HAVE WAY TOO MANY IN STOCK 2) THE 2002 A6 WILL ONLY BE 30 HORSES SHY OF THE 2001 2.7T MAKING IT SOMEWHAT LESS DEESIRABLE HAS ANYONE HAD ANY LUCK WITH A SIMLAR STRATEGY? ANY ADVICE ON OTHER POINTS OF NEGOTIATION? I AM ALSO ASSUMEING THE FACT THAT THE 2.7T WILL BE SELLING CLOSER TO INVOICE AT THIS POINT AS WELL.
  • timcartimcar Posts: 363
    The $499 is an Audi Financial incented deal. I don't think you'll get any movement. I got a good deal about 6 months ago, and my payment is about $150 a month north of that with 15K a year allowance. Based on everything I've read from those who've scrutinized the deal, if you like the car and want it, go grab it with both hands, now!
  • I have owned three A6 class automobiles with the 2.8 powerplant (1992 100S 1993 100S 1999 A6 2.8)-- and, at the moment in time that I owned them, I thought they were the best cars I ever had. All of them, except the '99 were 5spd manuals and they performed very well in every aspect. Even the '99 A6 2.8 was very enjoyable, comfortable and fast -- it just wasn't quick off the line. I never felt the car was unsafe or in any way undesirable. Having said that, I hasten to add that the A6 with more power (as in my current 4.2) is all the above and more.

    It seems as if there are more vocal 2.7T and 4.2 "members" on this forum -- I will check, but I don't think I have seen much bashing of ANY A6 on this board, ever.

    The Audi A6 "family of cars" is, IMHO, top shelf all across the entire family -- not just the 2.7T and 4.2. I bet the 2002 A6 3.0 will have its fans, too. This is a board for ALL interested in Audi A6's. NO defensiveness needed -- I, for one, am interested in the experiences of A6 owners and shoppers, without regard to their engine choice. If I were to express a bias, it would be for quattro -- not just the HP and torque.

    Quattro is my (well, Audi's) secret weapon.
  • There is a comparison of the A6 4.2, a Mercedes E430, a BMW 540 and a Lexus GS430 (?) -- at least I think I got the list right. The funny thing is the Audi (which did NOT win, BTW) was about $7,000 less than the BMW, for instance. The Audi 4.2, from a price perspective should be compared to the BMW 530 -- I guess it is an "honor" to be included in such a pricey category, tho. . .

    Anyway, if you get a chance, read the article, I think it says great things about all four of these cars, with the author's conclusion that any one of them would be welcome in his garage. Yet, the 540 was "the winna and still champion" in the mid size super sedan race.

    But, from my Audi-biased point of view, the article pointed out that the Audi A6 4.2 was:

    1. lowest price
    2. had quattro
    3. performance that was better in some respects and only marginally worse in others
    4. stylish and well made

    Conclusion: the Audi is the best value and "the safest" -- in a world where price, for most of us, does matter, this is a big deal. I read this article and said to myself these other guys better look out, the Audi is running neck and neck with you (at much lower dollars) -- and passing on the left.

    Of course if BMW takes its considerable talent and brings an AWD BMW 540 to market (it might well be awesome). . .well, competition is good for the breed. Audi would, I'm sure, respond with yet another "oh wow" car (there is an all new A6 in the pipeline for 2003).
  • tubeytubey Posts: 39
    As an addition to Mark's fine summary of the Motor Trend comparo, I received my new Car & Driver yesterday and they did one between the 540i, a WELL USED 2000 A6 4.2, Caddy DTS, Jag S-type, Benz E430 (non four-matic, though), Infiniti Q45, and Lexus GS430. The Audi placed a close second behind the 540i, and the only knock was that it was, they thought, too heavy. Otherwise, the race was close.
  • Isn't Motor Trend the "National Enquirer" of car magazines, though? Their credibility isn't the best.
  • Someone from the AudiWorld boards gave a link to a current debate/soon-to-be flame war at bimmer.org. Some former Audi owners compared their new BMWs to their old Audis, mostly A4s.

    Although this is the A6 forum, it is still applicable for the most part.

    >>>
    1) If the lights are on (running/headlights) the BMW's windshield washing system automatically gushes the headlights, your hood, and bumper with windshield fluid. What happens when you just want to clean your windshield only at night? You can't unless you turn off the lights completely. When the headlight washer system is activated it sprays windshield washer fluid all over the front of the car, it really makes a mess.

    The Audi- Push the stalk once to spray the windshield, hold the stalk down longer for the headlights.
    Advantage Audi

    2) The Audi's stereo system works without the key being inserted in the ignition. After about 1.5 hours the radio automatically shuts off to prevent the battery from going dead. Advantage Audi.

    3) Audi's interior lights can be programmed to work independently. If you only want the rear interior lights to go on when you open the doors you can do that. The BMW is everything or nothing.
    Advantage Audi.

    4) The Audi has a hook that holds the panel up on the spare tire compartment. That makes using the spare a lot easier. The BMW? You have to hold the panel with one hand while you try to remove the spare tire with the other, good luck. Advantage Audi.

    5) The BMW's Folding rear seats can only be operated from the trunk. The Audi's from within the cabin. What happens when it's pouring rain outside (like today) and your umbrella is in the trunk. You guessed it. In the BMW you would have to get out of your car, get soaked, and open the trunk. In the Audi you just pull the seat lever (lockable), Fold down the rear seat, reach into the trunk and grab your umbrella, All while remaining dry inside your car. Advantage Audi.

    6) Audi's AWD systems have a real lowered sports suspension. BMW's AWD suspension is jacked up even higher than the normal suspension. Giving it that Riding on stilts look. Advantage Audi.

    7) Audi's rear power window switches are illuminated. BMW Nope. Advantage Audi

    8) Audi has a light on the bottom rear portion of all doors. When the door is open you see the light from a distance. The 5 series has it but the 3 series doesn't.

    9) Minor- the Audi's trunk unlocks with the driver's door. I find myself always having to push the trunk release on the BMW a lot because it only unlocks the trunk when all doors are unlocked. Advantage Tie

    10) Center rear seatbelt- The Audi's center rear seat seatbelt is a shoulder belt with a retracting roll. The BMW has an airline style non-retracting lap belt in the center rear position. This makes a huge difference in installing a child seat in that position (universally considered the safest position for a child seat). Advantage- Audi

    11) Interior lighting fixtures- The Audi has nicely designed interior lighting fixtures while the BMW has what amounts to a bare flashlight bulb in front of a crinkled plastic background. Advantage- Audi

    12) Moonroof switch - Glitches aside, the Audi has a clever dial control that enables you to, with one touch, dial up the amount of "open" you want.

    13) Real aluminium interior trim

    14) Far stronger/better quality door hinges than BMWs high modulous plastic (black piece)

    15) Nice chrome plated trunk hooks.

    16) Includes free trunk net

    17) Includes first aid kit and emerg. triangles headliner handles on driver side and passenger side (missing on BMW coupes) -but BMW's get nice rechargeable flashlight

    17) New Symphony indash CD-changer/cassette unit standard

    18) Thick sport steering wheel as a factory build option

    19) Security alarm standard

    20) The Audi has this mini sun visor above the rear view mirror that blocks the sun in the gap between the rear view mirror and the top of the windshield. Sure, it's a little thing, but it really impressed me in erms of how thorough Audi was in designing that car.
    <<<

    All of those things make me happy that I chose an Audi. Hope this helps some "undecided" shopper make the right decision!
  • tubeytubey Posts: 39
    1. Puddle lights on the bottom of all doors
    2. A slot under the steering column to hold the manuals pouch; leaves more room in the glove box

    I'm sure if I spent some time at it I could think of more things. Suffice to say, however, that the Audi details - little or not - are the things that really enhance the ownership experience over the long term.

    Several years ago Automobile Magazine published an interview with the gentleman who was at the time retiring from Consumer Reports after many years as head of their auto testing unit. I wish I had clipped the article to save, but he made a point of citing Audi as the only company he had seen who were consciously trying to build into their cars the true user-friendly-why-didn't-someone-do-this-a-long-time-ago features. In fact, when he retired, guess what brand he bought for his personal wheels.

    Natch. He motors behind the four rings.
  • morphiemorphie Posts: 94
    I ordered, about three (3) weeks ago, my wife's second A6 Avant 2002). The current
    one is a '99. The dealer had just received the order codes.

    While I am disappointed that it will not have the new CVT, the addition of the 3.0
    engine should cure the torque complaints. However, I agree with one of the
    previous writers that this has been an overstated problem.

    While we did, during the first eighteen months, suffer from a few electrical and
    recall woes, the next year and one half have been more enjoyable.

    BTW: I did test drive the allroad; nice vehicle with an exemplary engine.
  • I assume when you say you want to knock the dealer down from $499 to $459/month you're pulling a number out of the air. As I've said in many previous postings, be sure you understand where the lease price is coming from. For more info on this see my posting 1541. You may also want to check the lease conversation in postings 1436-1480.

    Audi's current lease deal is based on a low money factor (around .00142 on the 2.7t). However, it also includes a markup of 7% over invoice. I got my 2.7t lease for 2.25% over invoice. So, you can negotiate on Audi's current deal.

    Without going into all of the calculations, I believe that their current deal ($1000 down, .00142 money factor, 39 month term) should get you a monthly payment of around $455/month IF you can get them to deal for 2.5% over invoice. But when you talk to them, make sure you go in with that equation.
  • Of course, the above calculation does not include sales tax.
  • Mark,
    Today, I went to my Audi dealer to have the xenon lights raised. While I was there, I spoke to the service manager about sway bars and springs. He said the parts and labor for new springs (the springs that come with the 2.7t sports suspension) would run me about $1500 for parts and labor. He said that there would be a difference in ride, but that it would not be significant.

    He said that replacing the rear sway bar with one that had a greater diameter would be a lot cheaper (arount $200 installed), but he didn't know how much difference that would make either.

    Basically, he said that an A6 is simply not going to corner like my old A4 because of the car's design (larger car and longer wheelbase).

    Your thoughts on this?

    Will replacing the sway bar without touching the springs do much for me. I don't face a lot of mountain roads in Chicagoland, but I do miss hitting a cloverleaf at 50 mph without feeling like I'm going to go flying off the road. On the other hand, my wife does not miss me hitting clover leafs at 50mph.
  • morphiemorphie Posts: 94
    Even though the question was directed to Mark, may I interject my two cents?

    I recognize the limitations of the A6 relative to the A4; it is not unlike the distinct personalities of the 3 and 5 series BMW's. Mark's summary of his experience with roll bar and other suspension alterations is excellent. However, based upon my experience, I would caution an "incremental" approach; in other words, start with tires.

    The addition of higher performance rubber (e.g. Michelin Pilots, etc.) makes an enormous difference, in both responsiveness (positive) and ride (possible negative). Further, the change is reversible; with suspension modifications, you may not wish to engage in added cost and time, if the initial results are not to your liking. Of course, one may also want to consider the impact upon resale value.

    Consequently, I suggest starting slow, one step at a time. Also, one must accept that he A6 will probably never have the subjective feel of an A4; but it does have other redeeming characteristics

    vty

    Michael
  • I agree with morphie several things I need to clarify will perhaps help in the decision process regarding suspension upgrades.

    When I upgraded my 1997 A8's suspension, there was NO Audi of America part number to help me know what to buy -- there is now, BTW. So here is what I did, I called Joe Hoppen, personally (also talked with his son) and told him I want my A8 to handle more like the 1995 S6 I had traded in on the A8. He gave me some information and some costs and a recommendation. The net of his intial recommendation was "buy the Audi S8 suspension kit" with or without the S8 anti-sway bars, and put a maximum performance plus zero or plus one wheel/tire upgrade on at the same time. He told me that the Audi upgrade would have only a slight impact on ride, but a good effect on handling -- although he told me about an ABT upgrade that would lower the ride height by 35mm (the S8 lowered the ride by 20mm), but he cautioned me that the ride would be much more harsh with the ABT upgrade.

    I also put new shocks (which were part of the S8 kit) on the car with the new springs and tires. After my dealer installed everything and I had had my second all wheel alignment after 1,000 miles on the S8 suspension and 245 x 50 x 17 Pirelli PZero's (up from the 225 x 55 x 17 stock Goodyears) I noticed that the rear end of the car would "squirm" on sharp corners at speed when the road surface was NOT as smooth as glass (the roads around Cincinnati are generally not as smooth as glass BTW). I called Hoppen again and he said that I would cure that problem with a REAR anti-sway bar, but that I could buy both front and rear S8 sway bars for $295.00 (and have the Audi dealer install them).

    I ordered the sway bars and a high performance air filter, let the dealer install them and my A8 was, at this point, fully transformed into what I called my AS8 (for almost S8). I kept the car for about 47 or 48,000 miles, very happy with the performance of the car, even though it had the 5spd non-tiptronic auto transmission. The only thing I was missing, IMO, were the S8 sport seats (the 1997 A8 had "comfort seats").

    If you want to upgrade your Audi's handling prowess, I would buy the springs from Audi of America (on the website), plus zero the tires (to either Ultra High Performance or Maximum performance - Z or better rated; and, if you live where there are moderate winters, I would at least consider ultra high performance all season tires or consider investing in winter high performance tires and wheels and have a second set, ie) and order both front and rear upgraded anti sway bars (from Hoppen or another Audi tuner).

    You will have very little ride harshness increase and you will have significant handling improvements. I don't know where the cost estimates came from, they seem perhaps a little high. The springs are under $400, the sway bars under $200, the tires probably over $600 and if you have all this (which should include 2 all wheel alingments) done at once for maximum effect at your authorized Audi dealer, I would suspect your total cost will be between $1,500 and $2,000 based on my A8 experience. It seems the parts, today, cost less and the labor is more than when I had this done on my car in late 1997. The price you were quoted it seems to me did not include the sway bars and tires, and since the springs from Audi are $325 (which with tax and shipping will be UNDER $400), I do not understand why the charge for a spring upgrade (labor) was quoted at over $1,100. I think with parts cost of $1200 (springs, sway bars & tires) that a MAXIMUM labor cost would be $800 -- for a total drive it out cost of $2,000.

    If this is too much (see morphie's comments) and seems like a one way street, then I agree with morphie, start with the best maximum performance plus zero'd tires on the market (I like Dunlop SP9000's) and see if this incremental step is satisfactory. If not, go the rest of the way -- I was very pleased with the results. And, from this moment on, I will only order my Audis with the sport suspension option.
  • bmms8bmms8 Posts: 86
    what do you guys think is a better car between the Audi A6, and the Jaguar X-type 3.0?
  • portedported Posts: 16
    Right on about the 2.8Q. We also have a '99 A6Q and love it. It is fast at higher revs. Really seems to be set-up for a manual, as in Europe. Tip does help.

    Tubey: which warranty?
  • mknmkn Posts: 35
    We need your input to make some choices: we saw numerous Audi A6s in our area (used). One is a 99 A6 (loaded) with 64K miles on it, priced at $21500 (single owner); the other is a 98 A6 (same features) with 29K miles on it and priced at $26800 (ad on their website initially said $22900 but they said it was a mistake and immediately corrected it;it was a lease car though). Which of these is the better car? What is the maintenance like on the 99 A6 that has done 64K? Please advise.

    Thanks
  • minosminos Posts: 2
    bmms8; I highly recommend the A6. The Sept. Issues of Motor Trend and Car & Driver have a nice review of the sport sedans re: A6 4.2L. There is also a short take on the Acura 3.5RL in Car & Driver (saw your post on the Lexus GS posts). I will be returning my 1998 GS 300 in this week in place of a 2001 Audi A6 4.2L sedan with premium and sport package. Definitely a step up from the Lexus GS with respect to ride and ergonomics. I have enjoyed the GS, have had no problems in 3 years, but the A6 is definitely an improvement. I don't think the X-type is in the same car class.
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