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  • njdevilsrnnjdevilsrn Posts: 185
    Well, the 2002 Intrepid went back to the dealer today for installation of the new computer. 3 hours and a new computer later, the car still does not run right. They have now ordered a new set of injectors, thinking that there must be a problem with the amount of fuel getting to the affected cylinder. We will see. If it is not right after this next attempt, lemon law will be pursued as the car is 7 months old with only 5400 miles.

    PS...alpx29 which Dodge dealer do you use for service? Who gave all the problems? I am from Central NJ and wonder if we are dealing with the same shop?
  • spidermacspidermac Posts: 1
    ...had the displeasure of owning. Or should I say financing? And I have owned some 'butes, a '92 Hyundi Scoupe (before Hyundi stopped using chewing gum and paper clips to assemble the cars), an '87(?) Sunbird (with that lovely 2.0L GM powerplant. you know the one with all of the head warpage because of the disimilar metal used in the block), a '72 Gran Torino that I had to push home, well actually after I pushed it home and fixed it, that was a pretty alright car, my first.

    I have a 2000 ES with the big V6 (3.2). The finish work is terrible, after about 2 months it sounded like I was riding in a can of marbles. The window molding decided that of didn't like being actaully attached to the window frame (replaced under warranty). The auto-stick is kinda cool but the car shifts roughly when I don't use it, especially in the upper range (trying to pass). Very disappointed with the gas milage, had a 4.6L Cougar XR7 that did better. A full size sedan should sound like I am riding in a full sized sedan, not like a can of marbles in a wind tunnel.

    Recently went to trade it on the new Marauder, but turns out the thing has depreciated to the point that I need 8K to get out of it. Some of that is my fault, rolled some negative equity into the financing.

    Well, it's not all bad, I could fit probably 6 or 7 bodies in the trunk, maybe some DC engineers/designers would like to ride back there?
  • njdevilsrnnjdevilsrn Posts: 185
    Well, after three trips to the dealer, a total of 4 days out of service (I got a loaner on the last trip in), a new cylinder coil and plugs, a new computer, and 2 new fuel injectors, my car is fixed!!!

    Here's to good luck for at least the next 5700 miles.
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    hey ottowrkr,

    i was just over at car-truck.com and they are giving some production dates for brampton. they say the LH production will end august 29th '03 and then LX production will begin feb 2nd '04.

    those number don't jive! there is no way that dc would have the plant down for changeover for more than 4 months! can you clarify any of this info?

    btw, i did read on the dc media site that production of the mercedes 5 speed for the LX cars starts in nov '03...
  • ottowrkrottowrkr Posts: 778
    No it wont be totaly down four for months . They have to retool so that may be 2 months , then we start building PVP (pre volume production) these cars do not get sold to the public . They use these to test build quality. Then we build a bunch that are used in rental fleets. This also checks quality . The final phase is customer cars and that is what we start on in Feb . So from Nov to Feb we will be building cars ( at a slow pace ) but not for the public.
  • costenjcostenj Posts: 14
    hey ottowrkr or anyone!

    I'm looking for the paint colour code on my 1999 Intrepid. Does anyone know where it is located?

    And has anyone experienced any loosening of the driver's side door material on the inside of the door? I noticed it sounded loose when closing and then I located some screws that required tightening...

    ---Costen
    Oakville, ON
  • david5545david5545 Posts: 1
    Let me start by saying that you can obviously run into problems with any make or model vehicle.
    Now, I'm no mechanic, but I've owned several different makes of cars, and I've never experienced problems like I have with my 99 Intrepid.
    In the past, I have owned a Toyota Camry, Nissan Pathfinder (Lease), Oldsmobile Cutlas Ciera, Honda Civic, amongst other vehicles.
    Not only is the quality of the intrepid obviously suspect, the service (both at the dealership and at Chrysler customer service) suck as well. The trembling of the front end and failure of the a/c system are just two of the problems I've experienced. I'm too frustrated right now to even go into the specifics. All I will say for now is that I will never purchase another Chrysler product. I should have listened to my brother when he warned my not to buy a Dodge. As soon as I can, you better believe I'm gonna dump this car and buy myself another Toyota Camry or Honda Accord.
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    wow, i had very good luck with all three (3) intrepids i owned. wouldn't even bulk a bit at buying another...
  • wkhowlandwkhowland Posts: 7
    Where did you purchase?

    Thanks,

    Raven
  • milliekaymilliekay Posts: 1
    Has anyone had engine problems with their Intrepids? Ours has about 75000 miles, but we have to put a new engine in it. I looked on the & it seems that I can find people in need of these engines, but none are for sale. I am wondering if this a mfg. defect and people just haven't reported it. Maybe I should be grateful that it has lasted 75000 miles, but I am just curious how many other might have the same problem.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,959
    ...about any Intrepid engine, except for the earlier 3.5's and their tendency to eat water pumps.

    You might be able to find a wrecked Intrepid in the junkyard. Last time I was in our local junkyard, which specializes in Mopar, they had about 20 LH cars. Most of them were the first generation though, only a few '98+ models. If it's any consolation though, every single one was in there because of an accident. i.e.: none of them were there because of any catastrophic mechanical failure.

    I've got almost 66,000 miles on my '00, so I hope they don't have faulty engines!!
  • eeeleeel Posts: 57
    I just purchased a 2002 Concorde for my wife.

    This is our 5th LH car since 1993. All five have been flawless.

    93 Eagle Vision - 153,000.

    95 Intrepid - 50k when traded.

    98 Intrepid - 28k when traded.

    01 Intrepid R/T - 12k (current milage)

    02 Concorde - just got it.

    The Eagle still runs great, been hit 3 times,
    and keeps on ticking. AC was repaired under warranty. Water pump, too. Front end pieces replaced only after 2nd accident repair.

    The other LH cars, nothing but routine maintenance.

    I'd buy another in a minute.

    Thanks, Otto !!!
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    andre,

    a faulty engine would show up long before 60k miles...i'd bet you are completely safe!!

    btw, you thinkin' about those upcoming LX cars? i'd simply love to have a 2 door coupe with the hemi!! that would rock!
  • ottowrkrottowrkr Posts: 778
    No thank you-EEEL( 5 LH's WOW). Sometimes and I don't care what you buy you are bound to get a bad product. My company DaimlerChrysler built 3,985,600 cars in 2001, some will have problems.I don't wish problems on anybody, but they will happen.Cars are mechanical things with thousands of moving part and will break ,some sooner than others. Now the only hope we have is the dealer will do its job to repair the problem and get the car back on the road working again. The dealers seem to be our,and most other manufactures sore spot.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,959
    I'm thinking about the upcoming LX's, but unfortunately, I have to sit this one out. I'm trying to save up now to buy a house, so my '00 is going to have to last me! I'm confident it will, though. It did finally hit 66,000 miles this past weekend, when we went up to the annual all Mopar Nationals in Carlisle, PA.

    I got a chance to drive an '02 Ram while I was up there. I need a truck like I need a hole in the head, but I have to admit that I kinda want one! Who was it earlier mentioning they were thinking about one? Jason5, was that you? It's hard to describe, but there was something cool about piloting that mammoth thing around a show field full of puny little Imperials, DeSotos, New Yorkers, etc!
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    yeah, trucks rule...but the gas mileage sucks!! if one of the LX variants is a coupe...i might just have to consider a lease at that time!!! 5.7l hemi should surely squeal the tires!!! it'd be like the old days with my first car all over (77 cordoba 400 cube 4bbl carb) again!
  • mathewmmathewm Posts: 1
    just wanted to post a word of warning regarding WestOaks Chrysler Dodge in Thousand Oaks CA. we left there last night after a miserable experience and after the general manager told us that it doenst matter to him what his salesmen say to a customer, whether true or not!!! i couldnt believe it.

    here is what happened. we went in on sunday to purchase a Dodge Intrepid. we made an offer and they came back with a very close counter. we said no thank you and left. the next day, the salesman called me back and said his manager approved it. i said great, we will be back tomorrow. the deal was a 2000 intrepid, still under factory warrenty, with an extended warrenty for an additional 3/36 with NO DEDUCTABLE, out the door for an agreed upon price. when we got there to make the deal, and i looked over the warrentee, i found that each incident of repair would have a 100 dollar deductable. well, after discussing it with the salesman and the manager, they agreed that the salesman miscommunicated (not with us)with his manager and finance guy. then they told me that it would cost several hundred more than we agreed upon. the GM was brought in, and he said "show it to me in writing", i told him i couldnt because we hadnt bought the car. we are here to buy the car based on the agreement we had with your salesman. the told me "the salesman miscommunicated with the manager and basically blew it". i agreed, and said, if it was his mistake and his miscommunication, you should honor what we agreed upon. and again, he said, "it doesnt matter what he said, show it to me in writing". i told him it was not a matter of legality and i wasnt trying to force them to do anything, it was a simple matter of integrity. he was totally adament, and even though he agreed it was there mistake, he would not come off the 300 dollars to fix their mistake and maintain their integrity. he even went on to say later and this is an exact quote "i guess this is good, because i dont want you as a customer. something will break and you will come in to have it fixed, and i won't do it"

    i know we all throw ourselves into the lions den when we go to buy a car, but this was way beyond what i had ever experienced.

    my advice, stay away from WestOaks C D of Thousand Oaks CA.

    mathew
  • wkhowlandwkhowland Posts: 7
    Ottowrkr,

    Any chance the Autostick will re-appear in the '03 ES as option or standard as in '01? I like that idea that the ES is now available with cloth (package 2DM, per Dodge "Build Your Own") as well as leather.

    Thank you
  • ottowrkrottowrkr Posts: 778
    AS far as I know the A/S is still not in the 03 ES.
  • lexus_onelexus_one Posts: 22
    ottowrkr: The dealers might not be as great a sore point if the factory workers were a bit more interested in quality.
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    Amen! Although having read many a posts from Otto, it's clear that he is on the top end of better employees, but admits there are some who could still care less.

    Yes, many dealers do suck, but the cars have to be assembled correctly and of proper quality in the first place before the dealer even has to get involved!

    Oh, and I'm not talking like computer failures or anything supplier-related (but they should work to a high quality standard too!). But, things like misaligned panels, rattles, improperly installed components, etc., etc.

    In today's day and age, there should be virtually no "learning time". So, in essence, the first car out of the factory should have the same high quality as they last car that comes out. Chrysler is getting monumentally better lately, but there's always room for improvement!
  • lexus_onelexus_one Posts: 22
    I agree, Chrysler is getting much better, the Daimler influence is starting to show, although with such a low starting point even with the German influence it will take some time to make an acceptable product. If only robots could take over more of the assembly many more problems would be solved.
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    it's ironic that the german influence supposedly has raised chrysler group's quality while mercedes has slipped...are the german's not influencing themselves anymore??
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    The problem with MB lately is that they're getting cheaper. Things like materials, build quality, etc., etc., it's just a lower grade than before. Remember MB's from before? They really were built like tanks, and it was very hard to find anything that wasn't vault-like on them. Go look at a 2002 E-Class or a G500 and you'll see what I mean.

    That, and another weird thing. While some MB's were often a little sterile and hard-edged, and Chrysler was softer, more flowing, and had more seductive shapes, the roles now seem to be reversed. Look in a new SL500 at the more cushioned, easy flowing, warm interior, along with the more seductive outside. Then, go look at a new Chrysler Pacifica. More chrome, more metal, more German-like shapes and engineering.

    It's a little weird, but just something I've noticed...
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    yeah, i think mercedes is getting dinged more on little niggling problems (wow, does that sound like chrysler of yore!) vs anything else.

    personally i think the latest mercedes cars have lost that sort of germanic...solid as a rock look. i much prefer the bmws over the mercedes.

    anyhoo, i also agree about the pacifica. when i saw the first pictures of the interior (especially dash) i was instantly reminded of what i consider a good mercedes interior to look like...
  • 300michael300michael Posts: 1,815
    The quality was improving before the MB take over, and has been increasing ever since. When the new joint cars, and trucks come out then we will see if the quality improves. You can not just say it is the assembly workers eather. Since most of the parts/ assemblies are preassembled the workers have no real part it it. The case in point (the dreded window motors) were actually imported from Japan) and the speed sensors (who knows where they come from). Robots like computers are only as good as their programers. Garbage in, garbage out.
  • ottowrkrottowrkr Posts: 778
    Thanks mike, we the guys who build the car can only build with what we are given to put on the car. DC decides the quality of the parts that go into its cars.
  • I found it hurtful to read that comment about assembly line workers hopefully replaced by robots.
    You can put most of any bad quality blame on the people who are at top... the management. They are the ones who decide to cut corners with poor design, substandard parts, last minute changes without time for testing (Ford). They are the ones who hire the workers as well..aren't they? So they are responsible for picking quality people and training them properly. The management should also be responsible for having a decent Quality Control and assurance program to make sure that the workers are doing their job. I once saw a "turbo" sticker placed upside down on a new Dodge Shadow at a dealer! Makes you wonder how much of an inspection these cars got as they left the factory!
    I don't like hearing people blame the average hard worker for for a lousy product. It's ultimately the people on top.
    Also... if you replace everyone with a robot, who is going to have a job anymore? People need jobs to buy cars.
  • ottowrkrottowrkr Posts: 778
    Yup you sound like someone who knows what they are talking about .Thanks
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    orangelebaron,

    i wouldn't get too uptight about what so and so said...he is likely a teenager anyway and what do they know!!!

    btw, anyone see the latest '03 accord pictures? what a disappointment! motortrend's sketches earlier this year held some promise, but the end result isn't that desirable, imo...
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