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Dodge Intrepid

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  • lbeasmanlbeasman Posts: 10
    I bought a "pre-owned" certified 2000 'Trep with 44,00 miles on it. It has some of the power-train warranty left on it. I also paid an additional $1500 for the car care plus to cover everything else, Only one minor problem was a fuel tank sensor that was going "wacky" . The dealer replaced it.The engine is the 2.7. I am going to keep on top of the oil changes and fluid checks. It's a nice car for going to work.
  • masonmimasonmi Posts: 148
    I noticed on some Intrepids they are listed as Certified Pre Owned and some aren't whats the difference in the two? or does Chrysler provide an extra set of coverage to select Intrepids?
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,949
    but I think "Certified", means that they gave the car a more thorough inspection, it was a nicer, cleaner, lower-mileage car to begin with, and they give it a better warranty than an "ordinary" used car. They also give it a higher price tag.
  • masonmimasonmi Posts: 148
    I wonder if its specific from Dealer to Dealer, I purchased a used 2004 Intrepid from a five star Dodge Dealership however none of the Dealers Intrepids were Certified, I should have asked, i'm still comfortable with the factory warranty and the 7/70 protection.
  • mike372mike372 Posts: 354
    How are those Yokohama Avid's doing. How many miles on them now.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,949
    the car has about 96,000 miles on it now. I think I had those Yokos put on around the 77K mark? I know it was around Feb or March of 2003, so that sounds about right. So far so good!
  • masonmimasonmi Posts: 148
    Does anyone know if Dodge is offering incentives on 2004 Intrepids, if so does anyone know the dates they are or were effective, i didnt see anything on the dodge.com site.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,949
    there's $4000 cash back, but that incentive ends today, 8/31/04. I'm sure they'll come up with something else though, to move the leftovers.

    There's also a $500 customer bonus cash to active military/reserve personnel and their immediate families living in the same household, but you have to finance through Chrysler.

    They're not listing any low-APR financing, but I think you could probably get about 3.5-4% nowadays through just about any credit union.
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    here is an article that might interest some of you. it pertains to the 2.7l v6 engine...

    http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7472&sid=17- 3&n=156
  • masonmimasonmi Posts: 148
    I noticed in the Car Connection article that DC has been petitioned by the center for auto safety on the 2.7L Engines from 1998 to 2002, i'm curious why they left out 2003-2004 engines? wouldn't these engines be at risk? or are the problems fixed on the newer models?
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,949
    gotta love those minivans with the 2.7 V-6! :-/
  • mike372mike372 Posts: 354
    I hate to bring up the oil sludge discussion again but I took the advice of your last message. I think the DC dealers you talked to are full of ****. They have known about the problem for quite some time now and refuse to acknowledge it. Period. At least other manufacturers, ie. Toyota respond to consumer complaints and do something about the problem. Not DC!!!!

    The site http://www.autosafety.org had an interesting article written to the CEO of DC.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,949
    I wouldn't complain if they bumped out the warranty on the 2.7 to 10 years/unlimited mileage! I'm not going to hold my breath, though.

    Considering the cost of a replacement 2.7, I wonder if it would just be cheaper to put in a larger 3.2 or 3.5? Is the bolt pattern on the tranny the same?

    You probably couldn't do that with a Stratus/Sebring, as the 3.2/3.5 might be too big to fit, but it might be feasible in an Intrepid.
  • masonmimasonmi Posts: 148
    I'm still questioning why would they only address the 1998-2002 2.7 engines? wouldn't all model years be included in that letter from the center for auto safety? wouldnt the newer 2003 - 2004 models be included? or does the 7/70 extended warranty cover most engine parts?
  • mike372mike372 Posts: 354
    Maybe they changed the design of the 2003-2004 2.7L engines. But I would stay away from any 2.7L Chrysler engine. The 7/70 warranty is probably useless anyway because DC will claim that the car was not maintained properly. From what I read on the net, DC is impossible when it comes to customer satisfaction. I can see why, when the Five Star Dodge dealer damaged my bumper, I had to pay for the repair....all of $467.00. The owner of Johnson Dodge is a real scum-bag, to put it as nicely as possible. Maybe a few pinstripes should mysteriously appear on his new inventory of Ram trucks! What goes around comes around.
  • mike372mike372 Posts: 354
    Evwn if it was physically possible, the cost would be too high. And dont forget, you probably would have to change the computer, etc too.

    You seem to be one of the fortunate ones in that your Trep has made to almost 100K miles. I hope the switch to Mobil One will solve the problem for me.

    By the way, there must have been a hot rod car show in Macunzie (forgive the spelling) a few days ago, because I met two antique car owners at a gas station on Route 57 in NJ and they said they were returning from the show.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,949
    it looks like they're mainly singling out the '98-02 2.7's because for the most part, the '03-05 2.7's aren't old enough yet to start developing problems. They did suggest that Chrysler might have made a running change to the engine in '03, but there's no proof of it, and if they did, Chrysler's not fessing up.

    As the '03 and newer 2.7's age, though, they might start getting to the point that they develop problems, as well. They did mention that the average mileage at which one of these engines goes bad is about 63,000 miles, with some of the earlier ones failing around 30,000.

    The 7/70K warranty would cover the engine parts, but if they try to pull the "neglect/abuse" routine, they're going to try their damndest to deny coverage.

    Oh yeah, in reading that letter a bit further, it looks like there already is a company on the web geared towards retrofitting 2.7's with 3.2's. The website is http://www.2-7-fix.com. It still doesn't look cheap, not by a long shot, but evidently it still comes off cheaper than some of these 2.7 replacements.

    I'm finally at that point with my 'Trep, that at 96000 miles and only 3 payments left on the books, if something did happen to the engine, I'd just sell it for parts or donate it, and be done with it. Hopefully it still has a few good years left in it, though!

    Mike, there was a car show in Macungie back in August, the weekend of the 7th. It was a nice show, with a really good turnout. I was up there with a few other Edmund's townhallers: grbeck, lemko, and driftracer. I guess they have other car shows, but the only one I've ever been to is the "Das Awkscht Fescht". Here's a link... http://www.awkscht.com/
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    andre,

    just get yourself one of those upcoming hemi chargers!! keep the trep for dirty work...!
  • emaleemale Posts: 1,380
    per the 2.7l engine:

    as i understand it chrysler has had some problems with the o-ring on the water pump which allowed moisture into the oil. apparently that problem was fixed but i'm not sure when...

    also, apparently the engine does run rather hot...using full sythetic oil and doing proper oil changes should negate this issue.
  • masonmimasonmi Posts: 148
    I do plan on changing over to Mobil 1 Synthetic oil in my 2.7 I have the powertrain 7/70 warranty and it does cover quite a few engine parts also i'm keeping all of my oil change receipts from the dealer just in case theres any issues with my 2004 Intrepid.
  • Jason5Jason5 Posts: 440
    Interesting...I posted a response last night--#2487 I think--and it's gone. I'll post it again, in an abridged form.
           Couple thoughts on your post Mike. First--the article does has several factual errors. The 2.7 does not underpin much of the Chrysler line and is limited to two vehicle lines in the dates posted--the Intrepid/Concorde and the Stratus/Sebring. As others have noted a 2.7 NEVER found it's way into a minivan.
          Second--the data is quite clear that in the majority of cases--so called "sludge" is an artifact of either poor maintenance and care or atypical engine use.
           Third--I have no history with the Center for Auto Satety. Anyone else heard of them? One should never trust the word of an organization without understanding who and what they are--and who supports them. Anyone familiar with the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth....wink...?
           Lastly.. The service managers include a family member who has never lied to me in the past--or to other customers that I'm aware of. Since I know him well, I suspect he's likely to be honest, as are the majority of my family. Toyota deciding to extend warranties could have as much to do with public relations as culpability. 16 reports? We've seen more posts here in a year by our residents neurotic flamers than that.....
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,949
    about 40-50% of the Chrysler 300's that leave the showroom are Hemi models, so that leaves two 3.5 models and one 2.7 model to fight over the remaining 50-60%. So if it's any consolation, the 2.7 is not making up the majority of 300 sales!

    I haven't seen that many Magnums yet, but so far, every one I have seen on the road has been an SXT model, which has the 3.5. So even here, I don't think that many are getting the 2.7.

    In contrast, the majority of Intrepids sold were just base models, whereas the ES, SXT, and especially the R/T were relatively scarce. So, simply put, there were a lot more 2.7 Intrepids to go around!

    Over at Chrysler, the Concorde was a relatively rare sight, and around 2002, once they made the LHS into the Concorde Limited, but made all the Concordes look like LHS's, it muddled things further. But even here, I'd imagine that a good deal of the Concordes were just the 2.7 LX model.

    As for why there are fewer complaints about the 3.2/3.5 models, versus the 2.7, well, I can think of a few...

    1) As I just explained, there are simply many more 2.7's out there in the first place than 3.2/3.5's

    2) The 2.7 is more complex, being DOHC, than the 3.2/3.5, so I'd expect it to be less reliable. I don't expect it to be a lemon, but in general, the more complicated something is, the more likely it is to break

    3) The 2.7 has to work a lot harder in an Intrepid/Concorde than a 3.2/3.5. While it gets its peak HP/Torque at around the same RPM as the other engines, that's only going to come into play in all-out floored acceleration. And in normal driving, you'll have to floor a 3.2/3.5 less than you would a 2.7. Simply put, it might be too much car for the engine. Now back in the day, there were plenty of cars with engines that were too small for them, such as putting a slant six in a full-sized Mopar, or putting an inline-6 in a full sized Chevy. However, those engines come from an era when they were overbuilt, and they weren't that powerful to begin with. So instead of working their little butts off to move those big cars, they just rev kind of lazily and just don't move out that fast. But one thing this doesn't explain though, is why they would still be failing in the smaller, lighter Sebring and Stratus. The engine seems like it would be a perfect match for those cars.

    4) Since the 2.7 has to work harder, I'd imagine that's part of what makes it run hotter, meaning maintenance is more crucial.

    5) Since the engine runs hotter, works harder, and revs higher than the bigger engines, it's more crucial that you maintain it. Just like you can abuse and neglect the hell out of an old slant six or Chevy 250, I'd imagine that a 3.2/3.5 could take a bit more abuse than a 2.7.

    I still have a feeling that the majority of these sludge cases are from owner neglect. I'll concede that, no matter how well an engine is designed, there are always going to be some that fail, but let's face it...who's actually going to ADMIT that they let their oil changes to too long, or that they let it run low on oil, let it overheat, etc? It's kind of like a car accident. What's the first thing a person says? "I didn't see you!" Not "I wasn't paying attention and didn't look and wasn't under control of my vehicle!"
  • mike372mike372 Posts: 354
    You brought up some good points, however, I still see quite a few ES models out there ( you can always tell because they have the fog lights in the bumper). And although DC did not make the 3.2/3.5L engine standard in the ES until around 2002, I think, I would imagine alot of ES's came with the larger engines. It would be interesting to find out exactly how many Intrepids actually had the larger engines compared to the 2.7L engine.
    My Celica GTS has a DOHC engine in it, and its not the most powerful car in the world), and so far at 117,000 miles there is no sign of sludge build-up. Usually, sludge appears in the cylinder heads and you can look in the oil fill hole to get a pretty good idea if you have sludge in the heads.
  • masonmimasonmi Posts: 148
    Thanks for the 2.7 information, i'm still changing over to Synthetic oil for my 2004, seems from what i've read owners haven't had any issues when running Synthetic oil compared to regular oil.
  • masonmimasonmi Posts: 148
    I thought there was a message about replacement tires for the Intrepid however I can't find it now, I thought it mentioned the Yokohama's as a good tire for the Intrepid, how is the Yokohama's in comparison to the Eagle's that I currently have on the Intrepid?
  • setzersetzer Posts: 127
    My parents can get a 2000 Dodge Intrepid with 55,000 miles on it for $5600. The guy that is selling it doesn't own it, but his company is willing to let him pay $5600 to close out the lease and he wouldn't mind selling it to someone else for the same price he paid for it. My aunt works with the guy (thats how we found it) and she said the car is overall in good condition besides a few minor things that you would get with any 5 year old car. The only problem is that they would have to drive it up from California to Portland, OR. They have to make a decision tomorrow morning so any quick help would be great! Thank you!
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,949
    I put some Yokohama Avids on my Intrepid about a year and a half ago. Before that, I had some cheap Continental tires, and before that the Eagle GA's that came with the car. I'd say the only thing the Yokohamas give up is a little bit of ride quality, and they seem a bit noisier. I think that's because they have a longer treadwear rating, so they're not as "soft" of a tire. The Eagles that the car came with had a 300 treadwear rating, and were pretty much reduced to racing slicks at 30,000 miles. They were expensive, too. At the time, even on sale, I think replacement of all 4 tires would've been over $500. In contrast, the Yokohamas were about $250 online (can't remember if I got 'em at www.tirerack.com or www.discounttire.com), and the local garage charged me $50 to mount and balance them. The Yokohamas had a 620 treadwear rating, more than double the Eagle GA's. I think they improved the Eagles a bit over the years though, so maybe the newer ones don't have that same crappy treadwear rating?

    I've been happy with the Yokohama's so far. They seem to hold the road pretty well, and even in wet/snowy/icy weather, they've been fine.
  • masonmimasonmi Posts: 148
    Thanks for the reply, I like the handling of the the Eagle GA's that I currently have, I'll have to keep the Yokohama's in mind when I change the Eagle's out, to bad the Eagle's don't have a longer tread life.
  • I had a 1999 Intrepid with the 2.7L engine and NEVER, NEVER had to crack the engine open. The only time I had service on the engine was for a camshaft position sensor at 50,000 miles and spark plug replacements at 130.000 miles. I waited too long for the spark plugs... Two are "welded" to he head and stayed there. As for brakes, my first brake job was at 74,000 miles! I had gone through a total of two sets of rotors for 156,000 miles. One radiator fan had to be replaced at 135,000 miles. The check engine light came on at 140,000 miles (catalytics). When I traded in the car (for a 3.5L Intrepid), I had 156,000 miles on the car. It was starting to burn some oil (about 1 qt per 1,000 miles), and I was getting nervous about the timing chain (still original).

    I had trouble with the trans, but just sensors again (input and output speed sensors).

    It's possible that I had little trouble with this car because I used it for highway driving (about 3 hours per day), 80 to 100 miles per day.
    I don't think I was lucky, and I certaintly didn't baby the motor. I pushed my car to the limit almost daily.

    I finally traded in the car on a new SXT trep today. I'll let you know how that turns out...
    Personally, I think that the car was extremely well engineered.
  • purchasing a 2002 Intrepid SE with 61,000 miles on it. Is there anything I should look for as far as routine problems with this car?
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