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Afraid Camry Owner - Toyota found to keep tight lid on potential safety

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  • "A few people there implicate the cruise control in their specific incidents"

    Nothing new - I have an Acura TL that doesn't like its cruise control shut off by clutch pedal, the engine goes crazy with high rpm. According to the owners manual, depressing the clutch is suppose to cancel it.... It doesn't. If I want to cancel the set speed, I have to depress the brake pedal firmly or shut it off with the master switch on the steering wheel.

    Is the cruise control a "smoking gun" in the Toyota incidents? This is the first time I've heard it mentioned......

    BTW, the cruise control in the Acura is without any doubt, the worst cruise control I've ever had in any car. It's jumpy, erratic and can't make up its mind going down a slight grade on the interstate but I guess that's another forum......
  • Um.....Duh...I somehow don't remember now, Um, My memory doesn't serve me correct.... C'mon, now, Please try to play copacetic... Thanks anyway.
    Wanna talk about Ponies ? How about the "Pony" cruise control switch fires that included at least 10 fatalities? THOSE included garage and house fires..... How about the Tire recall that was linked to at least 46 fatalities.
    What? Tally Ho ! to all the NHTSA GM truck Chevy 1500 series with "premature wear in clutch master cylinders push rod ends that attaches to clutch pedal pins" that gave way and atttibuted to over 40 fatalities.
    And what about " 18 fires in Chrysler Grand Cherokees 1993-1998 near the steering column after consumers clasimed the vehicles were NOT in park despite ther gearshift being in "park". ?? 76,000 vehicles recalled CAUSING the fuel valve to DETATCH from tank upon REAR impact and asllowing fuel to LEAK OUT UPON IMPACT!!???? DO we forget those INSTANCES ????
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,903
    millwood-zero,
    my comprehension level is not a subject for this forum, but you can request a new "elias comprehension" forum if you think it would vehicularly interesting.

    For quite a while I've been yammering about these killer Toyotas and how they apparently resulted from the worst engineering failure in automotive history, and the drivers were not at fault.

    Today it appears that Toyota agrees with me, since they've taken what is perhaps an unprecedented step in recent history (?): halting many production lines due to problem(s) that have been at least partially known for almost a year (?) , and which have yet to be resolved!

    By some measures the problem(s) seem to be getting *worse* - multiplying?
    It's as if murphy's law has struck with a vengeance not seen before. What can go wrong *next* to expose/trigger the fatal toyota flaws? It just keeps getting worse. :(
  • My guesstimate is mid-February. They will have a solution much sooner, but getting it implemented will take 2 weeks minimum.

    One month would be a killer, but it could go that long...........
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,903
    supragirl, you are new to edmunds and make the same fangirl post in multiple forums on your first day? You say the toyota recall is merelyprecautionary?
    But many toyota customers are dead due to what appear to be the biggest engineering/process flaws in automotive history.

    You advise us to have "faith"? How can faith possibly be relevant to any aspect of this discussion except for us to hope that the dead Toyota customers had eternal-faith before their cars killed them?
    The issue/problem here appears to be engineering and marketing. Engineers will fix the problem. Marketeers will explain how the cars are safe now. Service departments will fix existing cars. Customers will buy more.

    Until Toyota at least *claims* to have the problem(s) fixed and fixes YOUR Toyota, I recommend that you PARK your Toyota and rent a GM.
  • "one month would be a killer".....???? Such a neurotic statement could ONLY come from someone with the screen name "Dodgeman". No underlying hyprocrisis, right ??? JUST making sure...... Get real people !!!! FLY AWAY CARS!!!!! Do you people have any idea how REDECULIOUS this is !!!! It is a clear manipulation of the media and other RIVALRY car comnpanies to circumvent potential sales.....ALL you WELL educated tax paying citizens have to do is to google "unintended gas pedal accelerators" and you will see a SLEW OF MANUFACTURERES pull up !!!!! Yes, the most recent, Toyota because of the MEDIA Publicity, but there are RECOUNTS of BMW< Pontiac, Honda, Dodge, and EVERY other you can think of !!! It;s just that Toyota is in the Spotlight because of their PERFECTION!!! It's like the time the squeaky clean Mom and Pop general store who has been in business 50 yrs has a few sightings of a rat, and it's all over.....C'mon..people....
  • Eluas, I am NOT NEW to Edmunds, but have been watching from afar, as many wise people do before unleashing. Look at my SIGN on date, E. First day ? Stop merely processing information and re typing it " Biggest engineering prob in histiory" ANyone can do that, E!! Tell us something that you really feel. We have a newspaper for the type of info you are relaying.
    Let's face it, people. MANY things have happened in recent history that we dont know the answer to....many things we are MAD about...WAR, Murders, Cars. People die, planes crash, let's not be so FAST to point the finger at Toyota when SO MANY OF THE SAME ACCOUNTS and stories have been told, but not PUBLICIZED about car manufacturers. :Lets be fair, to the deceased, to the living, and the rest of us......
  • PS- Not for nothing, but MY Toyota is a 1994 Twin Turbo Supra. NOT involved in this recall, BUT DEFINETLY well looked after , Thank you for your Concern, ELIAS! I know you were probably also worried about that rusty frame issue.....Dont let this keeep u up at night. My baby is tuckedf away, warm, cozy, temp controlled, and in a custom made, tight fit car cover. Don't worry for me, I've never had to had a many tranny's replaced, like GM id, with my friends cars, let's not skirt the issue
  • well, then, U, Maximafanm probably have more sense than most! Cannot Believe thse Amer Mnauf can look like this !!! Awf!!
  • "one month would be a killer".....???? Such a neurotic statement could ONLY come from someone with the screen name "Dodgeman".
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    ONLY from you honey..........not me. I've been a member here for many years and am a former quality engineer for GM. I've also worked as a supplier to Toyota and am well aware of their numerous quality problems that they have "rejected" because "we're Toyota".

    One month with none of these models sold will be a killer to many Toyota customers, dealers, suppliers and employees. Toyota's goal was to be the biggest light vehicle manufacturer in the world. Not the best. They screwed up and it will cost them tens of billions of dollars and leave thousands of customers looking elsewhere.

    They couldn't be the biggest or the best. Case closed.

    P.S. Spell check is free. Use it.
  • Good point. I seem to remember a car getting hit from behind and basically blowing up in flames but somehow I guess that's different now.... I can't exactly remember the name
    *************
    The Ford Pinto :lemon:
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Depending on how long it takes CTS and Toyota to redesign that part, it'll take that long. In the meanwhile - speculation follows - I can see Camry, Corolla, RAV and Highlanders being imported in far greater numbers temporarily.

    Big business is nothing if not constantly challenging,
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    Good point. I seem to remember a car getting hit from behind and basically blowing up in flames but somehow I guess that's different now.... I can't exactly remember the name

    Pssst...that was over thirty years ago...same thing as somebody saying they wouldn't have bought a 1960 Ford because they had a bad Model T.

    I don't think anybody was proud of the Pinto incident. But when it's Toyota, there sure are a lot of excuses and 'I know I am, but what are you?!' going on. This is very serious stuff happening at Toyota now. It helps to be able to admit it.

    Bill
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    This is your hope based on your own speculation. But it remains to be seen.

    In the end it will come down to personal experiences. I've said over and over, we are self-centered at our core.
    Some will never own a Toyota because like you they worked for a competitor and don't like Toyota.
    Some will be afraid personally and will park their vehicles.
    Some will look at their own experiences and continue on driving their vehicles daily.

    All are perfectly valid responses. To me it depends on the prior perceptions of these owners. If the owners are long time users like myself since 1989 without any issues of any kind then I think that it's very likely that these owners will be understanding and wait for the solution. Then go on about with their daily lives as before.
  • revitrevit Posts: 476
    Speculation??????????

    Think you need to watch the morning news...Toyota suspends U.S. sales of 8 models in recall

    What I find shocking is:

    "This action is necessary until a remedy is finalized," said Bob Carter, Toyota's group vice president and general manager.
  • revitrevit Posts: 476
    But when it's Toyota, there sure are a lot of excuses and 'I know I am, but what are you?!' going on. This is very serious stuff happening at Toyota now. It helps to be able to admit it.

    Bill


    Agree, unfortunately many on here prefer taking the denial route even when Toyota stops selling several of their models including the Camry, they seem to think this is all speculation...very unfortunate. :confuse:
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,066
    > Wanna talk about Ponies ? How about the "Pony" cruise control switch fires that included at least 10 fatalities? THOSE included garage and house fires..... How about the Tire recall that was linked to at least 46 fatalities.
    What? Tally Ho ! to all the NHTSA GM truck Chevy 1500 series with "premature wear in clutch master cylinders push rod ends that attaches to clutch pedal pins" that gave way and atttibuted to over 40 fatalities.
    And what about " 18 fires in Chrysler Grand Cherokees 1993-1998 near the steering column after consumers clasimed the vehicles were NOT in park despite ther gearshift being in "park". ?? 76,000 vehicles recalled CAUSING the fuel valve to DETATCH from tank upon REAR impact and asllowing fuel to LEAK OUT UPON IMPACT!!???? DO we forget those INSTANCES ????

    You left out toyota sludge. How's the supra engine?

    I thought this is the Toyota forum. There's a whole lot of talking about other makes and brands. We need to talk about Toyota. Apparently they didn't learn much from mistakes of the other companies through the years. IN many cases those companies tried to stonewall the reality as occurances started being reported.

    Toyota should have learned from that and started saying, "We are investigating to be sure there are no greater problems than the mats in a few of the cars supposedly being caught under the pedal." They should have had those engineers someone suggested were actually working on the etymology of the problem in 2008--someone said there were engineers working and not just the PR people putting out press releases.

    Toyota instead was clearing computers in the cars and sending people out the door. I still believe there is more to the causes, plural, of these problems than the mats and the accelerator potentiometer end of the drive-by-wire. The ability to shift into neutral may be a problem if it's also computer controlled. I invite wwest to fill us in on that. The actual computer controls the cruise control just like it's an accelerator pedal request instead of the usual separate actuator motor that controls the throttle on the engine to effect the cruise control operation.

    Note the ABC report had the toyota dealer replacing Mr. Haggerty's throttle body unit as well as the accelerator interior portion. They didn't mention replacing the computer or reflashing the computer. However, I would have wanted that done if it were my car involved. But I also would wonder, based on my readings around the internet, about a problem in the computer programming.

    DON'T MOVE ON. THERE'S MORE TO SEE.
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  • "You left out toyota sludge. How's the supra engine?"

    I don't think the "sludge" problem can be wholly blamed on Toyota. As I recall there was a little "moron consumer factor" involved with it also. At least the sludge problem didn't have the propensity to kill people.
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,903
    supra is a fantastic car, irl, and designed/built long before the current Toyota fiasco. Obviously it's a keeper and not at risk like the current killer-toyotas.

    None of your other comments are worthy of response or consideration.
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    where is consumer report?

    on a side note, the I6 in the supra is probably one of the best engine toyota has ever built. If I have throw away money, I will be looking for a used IS300 with a stick
  • Has anyone covered this info in prior posts about the CHP officer with the crash in San Diego? It's information that is involved with that deadly Lexus loaner and the officer.

    "The sheriff's report contained information released for the first time that a man who had driven the loaner car three days before the crash told a dealership receptionist that the gas pedal had become trapped while he was driving."

    Then more information as the article goes on;

    "The man who drove the vehicle three days prior to the fatal crash told investigators he tried several times to turn the engine off but couldn't. His said he had put the car in neutral but the engine continued to race until he realized the mat was stuck and reached down to dislodge it."

    This pretty much indicates to me that the car, once again, could have been stopped. I know this is a heated sensitive topic and hate to rekindle it, but I find this information critical and it's the first time I've seen it.
  • Just checked Ed's site this morning and saw the CTS (not Denso) gas pedal story

    http://www.insideautomotive.com/
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,066
    "Toyota had begun looking at the issue of sticky pedals in 2007"

    The article says Toyo had been aware of sticking problems since 2007--not 2008 as other articles have reported. Amazing.

    And as for "stories" Toyo says they did it voluntarily in re stopping selling the cars. The government says they were required to do so legally and the agency had asked them to.

    "LaHood said, "The reason Toyota decided to do the recall and to stop manufacturing was because we asked them to."

    "A Toyota spokesman, John Hansen, said today the company had taken the step voluntarily. "
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    How could you possibly believe that the CHP officer driving the ES350 didn't have enough common sense, driving knowledge/experience, to shift the car into neutral...?
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065

    Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood told Chicago radio station WGN that the government asked Toyota to stop selling the vehicles.

    LaHood said, "The reason Toyota decided to do the recall and to stop manufacturing was because we asked them to."

    A Toyota spokesman, John Hansen, said today the company had taken the step voluntarily.

    Strickland wouldn't directly address why Toyota didn't stop selling the vehicles five days earlier when it announced the recall -- as it was legally required to do.

    "At this point, you need to talk to Toyota about those decisions," he said. "We'll be continuing to work with Toyota and having conversations."

    Strickland said in taking the action "Toyota was complying with the law."

    "They consulted with the agency. We informed them of the obligations, and they complied," he said.

    From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100127/AUTO01/1270400/-1/rss#ixzz0dprtgOSM
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,085
    "LaHood said, "The reason Toyota decided to do the recall and to stop manufacturing was because we asked them to."

    "A Toyota spokesman, John Hansen, said today the company had taken the step voluntarily. "


    More lies. Kind of like when Toyota unilaterally announced that NHTSA had determined that there was no problem with the vehicles and was closing their investigation.
  • gtgtcobragtgtcobra Posts: 259
    You people are all over reacting to all this negative publicity and are worrying too much for nothing. Don't worry. Toyota will fix the problem. Go out there and drive and enjoy your Camry. I can tell you that I love mine a lot.
    And only Herbie the Love Bug likes to take off by himself and that happens only in the movies. :)
  • smithedsmithed Posts: 444
    "You people are all over reacting to all this negative publicity and are worrying too much for nothing. Don't worry. Toyota will fix the problem. Go out there and drive and enjoy your Camry. I can tell you that I love mine a lot.
    And only Herbie the Love Bug likes to take off by himself and that happens only in the movies."
    ^^^^^^^^^^^
    Are you nuts? I would be a nervous wreck driving any of these recalled vehicles.
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