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Older Acura TLs

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  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Congratulations. You've got exactly the car - 6 speed, Nav, anthracite/ebony - that I will be getting if I decide to go for one now, as opposed to waiting until the 2005 model. I've been quoted $1,500 under MSRP on any new TL, Nav or not, from my former hometown dealer. Does that sound good, fair, or try harder?

    By the way, in test driving the 6-speed last week, I didn't have trouble adjusting to the clutch, but the acceleration didn't seem smooth. I had the accelerator depressed to a certain level and the accleration seemd to come on slow, speed up and then slow down a lot through the rev band. Didn't feel as smooth as my Maxima 5-speed and didn't feel like the V-tech kick in on my S2000, so I'm not sure how to describe it. How's yours??
  • igibanigiban Posts: 530
    And the other two for dimes and nickels? Would penny fit any slot. This may be very minor, but any ones with kids will visit MD or BK and get coins back, and I hate to keep these coins in my pockets. I saw a little bin on the back of the center storage. Maybe that can be used for these misc stuff.
  • newwestdnewwestd Posts: 157
    mdhauke - Congratulations! I've had mine since November and it's STILL WOW!

    03oddity - The schedule for the 05s will probably be about the same as the 04s - October-ish. You will need to rent for a while if you want to wait for the 05s.

    However, the only thing worth waiting for might be colors - assembly details and tires would surely be running changes if Acura sees fit to make them. Any savings by cutting the cost will surely be outweighed by the cost of providing an "in-between" car from June to October.

    Good Luck!
  • dulnevdulnev Posts: 652
    No slot for pennies, unfortunatelly. But that idea about the small compartment at the back of the center console may be a great one. I'll try it today!
  • rich48rich48 Posts: 21
    I'm concerned about the performance of the TL in the snow.. Has anyone had any experience driving it in the winter weather?
  • brew99brew99 Posts: 86
    I know that there were several posts earlier regarding premium unleaded vs. regular unleaded, but not sure if anyone provided an opinion on octane levels higher than 91. One particular retailer up this way has a 94 octane product which is $0.02/litre more expensive than the other guys who sell 91 octane. Any thoughts on whether the 94 would be better than the 91 from a performance perspective or gas mileage perspective?
  • dulnevdulnev Posts: 652
    TL is a FWD vehicle with a traction control system and stability control system. It performs GREAT in the winter WITH A GOOD SET OF TIRES! And the standard Turanza's EL42 are NOT a good set of tires.

    I got myself Falken ZIEX 512 and the car is amazing in the snow. I had a boat load of fun driving through snowy local streets during the last couple snow storms in the North East.
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Posts: 709
    Is an AWD TL possible in this cars run? Likely?
  • Honda is so secretive, that we won't know anything about it until it is released.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I strongly suspect AWD will make it's way into the TL. Check out Forbes.com for a rather unflattering article on Acura and the company's performance. Acura needs to be a little more creative in not just offering "glorified Hondas" if it is going to compete with Lexus and Infiniti. Except for the MDX, Acura sales as a company were down last year and they are losing market share. A serious luxury car (not the wannabe RL) and an AWD TL would certainly help, especially since the new TL is consistently praised for everything BUT it's FWD setup.

    Brew99: I've had to use mid grade 91 octane when premium (93 octane) was not avialable in my S2000. I noticed a slight difference in both acceleration and highway mileage. The S2000 magnifies everthing, but I suspect that the V-tech engine in the TL would also be slightly affected, especially if you have a 6-speed.
  • kahunahkahunah Posts: 448
    dulnev is right, the Turanza's just won't cut it in the snow. I have dedicated performance winter tires on my 6-speed TL and it's the only way I'll travel in winter. With this setup, you don't need to spend thousands more for AWD.

    Brew99: I normally put in Sunoco 92 octane but for long hauls to cottage country with a full load, I'll fill the tank with 94. I get slightly better mileage and passing power.
  • This probably isn't the proper forum, but here goes...

    I was able to locate a brand new (about 300 miles) '03 Lexus GS300 Sport Design for about $37k. This seems like a good price; or should I go for an '04 Acura TL w/ Navi (approx $34k)? Probably not the best comparison but just wanted some opinions before I spend all my hardearned money ;) (always have been a fan of Acura, my '91 Integra has 194k miles)
    Thanks!
  • kahunahkahunah Posts: 448
    Both are very fine automobiles but the TL offers more power, more standard features, better gas mileage and a 6-speed manual (if desired) for thousands less.

    Although the GS is RWD, Consumer Reports writes, "Though competent, these rear-drive cars (GS300/GS430) lack the optimal ride-and-handling balance of the BMW 5-Series and Mercedes-Benz E-Class. Handling is capable but unexceptional."
  • morehpmorehp Posts: 30
    rcsguy, have you driven these cars? I think ultimately it should come down to personal preference because these 2 cars have distinctly different "flavors."

    The TL is much more of a sports sedan. As Kahunah points out, it offers the 6-speed (if you're interested), considerably more power and despite the FWD config, sharper handling (IMO).

    OTOH, when it comes to luxury, the Lexus is clearly superior in terms of powertrain refinement, smoothness, quietness, and interior features/materials (e.g. nicer leather, real wood, power tilt/telescoping wheel, a power passenger seat that goes up&down and has a heated backrest AND cushion....)

    You should also consider that although both Lexus & Acura have excellent reputations, Lexus is the undisputed industry leader in quality, reliability and durability. Furthermore, the TL is a brand new design whereas the GS is now is its 7th (!) season. You should expect fewer problems with the GS. OTOH, the design is certainly getting long in the tooth and is due for revision this fall.

    Only you can decide if GS's virtues make it worth 3K more for an "older" car.
  • I dont know much about GS300 but I'm sure its a fine car. Go and test drive both of them.

    Morehp is correct, the car is 7 years old model, but its your money and its your decision. Just buy a car that suit you best.

    A little data from TL for comparison but you need to compare it your self.

    PERFORMANCE
    0-60 –> 5.7 secs, 0-100 –> 14.2 secs, 1/4 mile –> 14.4 secs, slalom 600 feet –>67.4 mph, 270 hp, top speed 155 from various sources.

    LUXURY OR STANDARD FEATURES
    Xenon headlights, fog lights, Leather upholstery, Real aluminum trim, 10 way power and multi level heated seats with memory seats for 2 drivers. Driver’s power lumbar, Tilt and telescopic steering wheel, 8 speaker and an industry first 225 watt 5.1 surround sound system that play DVD and CD (6 in-dash disc changer)
    Satellite/ XM radio, steering wheel audio control
    One touch windows and power moon/sun roof
    Reverse tilt dual side mirror and heated side mirror
    Auto dual zone climate control, trip computer, memory side mirror for 2 drivers
    Embedded remote control for garage, universal remote for home link security feature.
    Automatic dimming mirror
    Drive by wire, LSD, Vehicle stability Assist(VSA), Traction control, ABS.
    17x8 inch wheel with 235/45 (wider) tire.

    COMFORT (TL with navigation)
    Almost every instrument in TL can be operated by voice command available in man/woman voice. For example:
    just say to computer “ Radio on”, “DVD play previous disc”, “Climate control off”, “rear defrost”, “temperature up” or “down”, etc.
    If the computer didnt hear what you said, it will say “Pardon”
    If you say “Dial 123-4567-890" and the car will say “dialing”
    If you say “phone book, store” and the car will answer “What name would you like to store”
    If you say “list” then it will say “John...Mary....Jim” and if you say “call” then it will ask you “Would you like to call Jim”
    If you say “Display current location”, it will say your current location
    If you say “Go home” it will tell you how to get home from your current location in voice
    If you say “Display nearest ATM/Restaurant/Gas station/Shopping/bank etc” then it will lead the way how to get there.

    RIDE QUALITY
    The new design and usage of high tensile steel (ding resistant steel) makes TL more quieter than 530i, G35 and ES300

    POPULARITY
    Consumer report rank TL #1 over 330i in 2004
    Motor week named TL “Best sport sedan 2004"
    Yahoo news named TL “Best high-tech car 2004"
    Leading consumer named TL “Best performing upscale sedan 2004"
    Motoring TV 2004 named TL “Best sport sedan 2004"
    Car and driver rank TL third but 325i second

    Sales report jan 2004 : GS300 -> 690 units 10.1% drop than last year, TL –>5036 units, G35 sedan->3382 units, 330i ->less than 1000 units
  • igibanigiban Posts: 530
    Anyone uses one of those mobile GPS for less than $1K on a non-Nav TL?
  • Yes, I am using the complete navigation solution from alk.com. Their sell little PocketPCs which you can easily attach to the vents just above the CD/Radio. The GPS antenna is attached to the PocketPC and it is quite small. It works great.
  • I wanted to buy a GS, several times. However, Lexus uses the same short, crappy, unsupportive seats in all their cars. There is simply NO thigh support. I LOVED my ES, but I couldn't drive it for more than 15 minutes before my right leg would start to cramp up. For trips I had to fold up a towel to put under my leg for support. I finally traded in the ES for a Solara with FABULOUS seats (it's all Toyota, so go figure!).

    The Seats in the TL are MUCH better than the GS in terms of support, and also hold you better for spirited driving. The TL also has a much cleaner, sharper design (IMO)that will not be out of date next year. I feel that the TL in general is a much better looking car.

    The GS interior may be a little better, AND you can get the Black interior with the White exterior (my personal favorite) something that Honda seems to have a problem with.

    Good Luck!
  • igibanigiban Posts: 530
    How do you enter addresses, by touch (the small)screen, or by using one of these Palm pens? I am looking for one that's closest to a built-in in terms features, but mobile and cheaper.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I'm interested in the source of your performace data you quoted for the TL. Those figures are not far off from my Honda S2000 and although the TL 6-speed felt quick to me, it didn't feel that quick. The handling wasn't even remotely in the same league.

    Also, regarding a 155 top speed, that is really suspicious. As a friend who has spent a lot of time on the Autobahn has told me, anyone who drives a FWD car over 120 is qualified for free admission to the local insane assylum. Not that it matters here in the US, but any car made by BMW/Mercedes would be a much safer bet than any car made by Honda/Acura (save for the NSX/S2000) in terms of high speed driving.
  • Thank you kahunah, morehp, danny, and automophile for you input. I did testdrive both vehicles. I liked the TL more, but my wife's b-day was coming up and thought I would get her the GS and I would take her old Accord EX-V6 coupe (aren't I nice?) But after thinking it through... I am getting the TL for me! muhaha. Black on black w/ Navi.
    Thanks again for everyone's advice!
    I have to say though, I couldn't find a better deal on a new '03 GS 300 Sport Design anywhere! (crystal white w/ dark gray leather, very sweet)
  • 5.7 secs 0-60 car and driver website
    155 mph modern racer website
    67.5mph slalom edmund
    I gtg to a dentist but check on TOV website, motorweek etc. you will find them

    Your autobahn friend is corect, but I will add that anyone who drive more than 120 mph these days is qualified for a free stay in county jail.
  • Speaking of insane driving there was a real stupid kid who took his dads 94' Legend sedan below up to past 135 and rolled several times negotating a curve and lived through it. Testament to how well built the big Ack was and some real good ol luck.

    http://www.imagestation.com/mypictures/inbox/view.html?id=4186055- - - 003&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imagestation.com%2Fpicture%2Fsraid10- - - 5%2Fp794842c11a5449861632ab319c2d288d%2Ff982215b.jpg&caption=- - - legendcrash
  • car3car3 Posts: 27
    Acura sales were down last year because the TL was in its last year of bodystyle and a new Accord came out. The new Accord made the 03 TL look like old news. The TL and MDX arew Acura's main sellers. This has nothing to do Acura being in inferior when compared to Lexus or Infinti.
  • My local dealer (atlanta) claims that bridgestone "reformulated" the EL42s and new TLs are now being deliverd with these new tires.

    Anybody know anything about this? I am about to buy one but worry about all the tire problems I read about in this forum.

    Thanks
  • phkckphkck Posts: 185
    I too have been scared with all I read about the tires (Bridgestone) on the TL's. I picked my TL last Saturday (Build date of Feb) and am very happy with the ride. The tires are loud on some concrete freeways here around Kansas City. But, they are only noticeable until I have the stereo on at a normal level.
  • pmf13pmf13 Posts: 68
    OK, hopefully for the last time, is there a consensus on the best choice for replacement tires on the TL for a Northeastern climate? The choices appear to be:

    Bridgestone Turanza LS-Z
    Pirelli P Zero Nero M&S
    Continental ContiExtreme Contact
    Falken ZIEX ZE512

    I'm looking for an all season tire rather than maintain two sets as snowy road conditions really only exist in the city a few days a year. All opinions gratefully received.
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Posts: 709
    I just checked out the TL and TSX tonight. I had seriously considered a TSX last year and ended up getting a 2003 EX Leather 5speed Accord instead.

    I was surprised how similar in size the TSX and TL are. The TL is larger a few inches in some dimensions. On the inside, especially they felt very similar. I guess this makes sense because they are based on the same platform but it really struck me.

    I love the front and profile of the TL. I have to say that from the rear, I think the TSX looks best.

    On interior elements, the TL was definitely the sharpest, with high-end metal accents throughout as opposed to painted plastic in the TSX.

    I did drive a TSX last year and drive an Accord EX 5 speed every day. So the advantage in the TL must be more pronounced when they are driven.

    From an external appearance perspective, I’d have to say the TSX appeals the most to me.
  • rich48rich48 Posts: 21
    Dear nowazj66:

    For your info the TL and the TSX are not based on the same car. The TSX is based on the Honda Accord sold in Europe. The TL is based on the Accord sold in the US...different cars.
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