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Older Acura TLs

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  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    Does the 2005 Acura TL still have harmonic distortion in the drivetrain, as amply complained about on multiple forums including those on ACURAZINE, like its preceding models or has this been eliminated in the 2005 model? To my mind, this would be the main reason to pass up buying this car. Is the 2006 likely to have it?

    Thanks.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Please enlighten me on what "harmonic distortion in the drivetrain" you ae talking about. I have a 2004 TL 6-speed w/ 10k miles and haven't noticed a thing other than a free revving engine and smooth operation at all speeds. Is this another automatic transmssion-only issue?
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    IIRC, I think it has to do with the torque converter. If so, then yes, it would be automatic only. (But I've not experienced any such problem on my automatic TL)
  • What is that? mine is also an auto.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Thanks for the link. My own unscientific poll of two other TL owners that I know is "no probelm", including one who has an early build (bought 11/2003) TL automatic.

    The one poster with a 6 speed manual claims that the vibration stays after he speeds up to 90 mph and puts the car in neutral and coasts down to 60 mph. He is sure it's not the tires/wheels, since he has two sets and experiences the same vibration with both. However, it doesn't sound like a "drive train" issue to me, because it still occurs when the engine is disengaged. Almost sounds like an axle or wheel bearing issue.

    In any event, I don't have it so I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I was referring to the vibration at a certain speed that some owners have experienced.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    That's it! But like I said, fortunately I have not experienced it on mine. Just a bit of a rough idle at times.
  • webby1webby1 Posts: 209
    You are lucky....this would drive me nuts!
    Local Acura dealers are still denying that there is a vibration problem....however they are admitting that they have changed to different tire for the 2005 model.
  • sb55sb55 On an Island in VermontPosts: 178
    Re post #6491, I too have rough idle, only when cold, on my '05 with about 3500 miles on it. Is this normal? It is fine when warm, and I haven't had a chance to go back to the dealer.

    2007 Miata, 2010 BMW 535xiT, 2014 Chevy Silverado LT Ext. cab, 2006 Subaru Legacy Wagon

  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I think it's probably harmless. I just feel a bit of pulsing. Nothing major. Otherwise the car starts fine, no stalling or anything. I recall my 2001 CL-S also exhibited similar characteristics. Buttery smooth idle is one thing that the Nissan VQ engines have over the Honda V6's.
  • tomsr1tomsr1 Posts: 130
    I think my TL is a soft riding car, but is there any way to make it take corners like a beemer.I rode in my coworkers grand prix for 200 miles and it was too firm for my taste. Can I have both a soft but well controlled ride.Is it the shocks or the springs or tires.I will not give up my reliable Acura for a troublesone BMW.VW advertises as being the most fun to drive but reliabilty is poor.I guess I want a go cart that rides like a Cadillac.
  • Webby I think you got a BMW 325 not a TL. Did you actually asking around the local Acura dealers for that?
    This is your post webby1 "BMW 3-Series vs Acura TL 2004" May 5, 2004 8:40pm!

    Thanks bodble2 for the explanation. Mine doesnt vibrate also.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    You might want to try out the new TL. It is a vast improvement over the previous TL in handling. I went for a Maxima SE in 1995 and it wasn't until the 2004 TL redesign that I would have even considered buying a TL. Don't get me wrong, the pre-2004 TL was a nice quiet near-luxury ride, but handled very indifferently, IMO. The 2004 TL is in a completely different league.

    You might also try driving the 6-speed TL. The 6-speed has a stiffer suspension, Brembo brakes and (optional) high performance tires. I believe the handling of the TL 6-speed is the best of any FWD sedan out there. Better than Audi and VW, and competitive with the RWD Infiniti G35, IMO.

    However, make no mistake, even the new TL does not match the handling of the 200 lb lighter, RWD 330i. The 50/50 balance of that car and BMW suspension technology produces the best handling small sedan, period.
  • tomptomp Posts: 5
    Just beginning my research but I want to purchase an 05 by year end. How does the TL compare to the G35. I probably prefer a smooth ride over sportiness. Nav is important.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I considered both the G35 and TL. My conclusions were:

    The ONLY advantage the G35 has over the TL is the handling of RWD vs. FWD. And it is not a big difference. The G35 is NOT a BMW 330i, no matter what Infiniti marketing promotes. I actually thought the steering in the TL was crisper, although it can be affected by torque steer.

    The Acura TL navigation system - 8" screen, voice activated - is the best available in any car, IMO. Add the voice recognition for other controls - audio, HVAC - that comea with the Nav system and the advantage is even greater.

    Acura offers a few other features - Bluetooth phone, XM radio / DVD audio system, lighted steering wheel controls for everything, etc. that the G35 didn't offer. The G35 interior just looked downscale to me.

    The Acura TL engine is smoother. The G35 has a torque advantage, but it is at the expense of a rougher engine. I have a 1995 Maxima with the 3.0 liter version of the 3.5 liter V6 used in the G35 and felt that my 10 year old Maxima engine with 153k miles wasn't as rough as the G35.
  • kennyg5kennyg5 Posts: 360
    Couple other points: I believe the G35 now comes with AWD, which is not available in the TL. However, the TL has a better interior, but rumors have it that the 05 G35 has made substantial improvements. I have not seen the 05 G35, and do not have a basis to form a reasoned judgment.

    I believe most car mags tout the G35 as more of a driver's car than the TL, mostly because of its RWD and better steering and handling. However, if you want a nice blend of luxury, sportiness and new cutting-edge gadgets at a reaonable price, the TL is a VERY GOOD choice, particularly if reliability is also your top concern.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I also heard the 2005 G35 received an interior upgrade, but haven't seen it in person.

    As for the G35's "better steering and handling", I honestly didn't find that to be the case. I do prefer RWD in principle and the TL does exhibit occasional torque steer under hard acceleration, but in my test drives, I found the handling and steering of the G35 to be at best on par with the TL. Clearly, all RWD's are not created equal. The 330i, 530i and 545i I drove after the G35 were several rungs up, especially in terms of steering feel and feedback.

    I have not driven the G35 AWD. I don't believe it came with a 6-speed in the past, perhaps that's changed.
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    "I think my TL is a soft riding car, but is there any way to make it take corners like a beemer."

    In a word, no.
  • rikkrikk Posts: 14
    You want to drive a Volvo S60R. The suspension is adjustable so set it for what you want.
  • I heard that the first week of January Nextel is finally coming out with a phone that has bluetooth. The only problem is that I need to by a bluetooth SD chip because it is compatable and not already installed. Does anyone know if this method will be able to be paired with my TL? Or should I just come to grips with the fact that all Nextel really is is a fancy over priced walkie-talkie?
  • You say "NAV is important" so I must tell you that there in no better, easier to use, more sophisticated NAV than on the Acura TL. If you do some test drives in other cars you'll agree.
  • rqcrqc Posts: 95
    >You want to drive a Volvo S60R

    And it is extremely comfortable at the same time. And it has a great nav, although it's not voice activated, but it comes with a remote for the passenger to use or the driver has handy controls on the steering wheel. Amazing handling.
  • Get to know the lemon law with your (TL) between the transmission problems and vibration at 50 mph your gonna need it!!! easy choice G35
  • Sorry but no transmission problem on new TL (only previous model). Some earlier build (5/6 months since the model introduced) got a recall also but only for prevention/no tranny replacement. Check NHTSA websites, but you will find some on G35 but zilch on TL.

    INFINITI G35 Year: 2004
    NHTSA Complaint Number: 10093125
    2004 with approx. 7,200 miles. Rattling noise heard in 1st and 2nd gear. Dealer said it needed new tranny. REPLACED TRANNY.
    Picked up car and while driving home, could not get it into 5th or 6th gear. Back to dealer.
    Was told that tranny was bad and HAD TO BE REPLACED again. Picked up car and within a week heard a knocking noise in 5th gear,
    Vibration in stick shift and a clanking noise when applying the brakes for the first time after car sitting for a bit.
    Later found out that dealer lied about installing the 2nd transmission. Dealer refuses to tell me or give me paper work
    Stating what was done on car the 2nd time they had. Infiniti consumer affairs and regional manager have not proven to be out
    For consumers interest. In fact, they call lying about the 2ND TRANNY A "MISTAKE". Sounds like fraud to me, especially when
    I was told several times that they don't repair trannys ...they only replace them. They also gave me a work order/paperwork
    Stating that new tranny was installed twice.

    Infiniti g35 year: 2004
    NHTSA complaint number: 10098647
    Transmission makes chattering noise as the engine shuts down (only able to hear when the transmission is warmed up and only able to hear it from outside or with the door open.). TRANSMISSION WAS REPLACED but the chattering noise still exists. I was told that THE PROBLEM EXISTS INTERNALLY IN ALL 6 SPEED TRANNYs' and the problem can not be attended to unless more people complain.

    The new TL has 0 record for transmission failure 1 year since it was introduced. (at least no complaint on NHTSA record)
    So which drink that needs some lemons? G35 anyone?:)
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,764
    I've just finished my first 600 miles in a new TL auto/navi and thought I'd post some impressions.

    My previous driver was a '98 A4 2.8 quattro w/sport package and 5 speed. I went with the auto TL because the wife hates manual transmissions and I read about (and noticed) the torque steer on the 6 speed during a test drive.

    The car is gorgeous. I picked it up a couple of weeks ago and have still not found ANYTHING wrong with it, with the exception that last night the outside air temp suddenly went blank. I'll see if it is still that way -- perhaps my first problem. Other than that, no problems - no rattles, no cosmetic blemishes of any type, everything functional, etc.

    Of course (can you believe this) some axxhole in a Toyota SUV dinged my rear left passenger door - we had seen the guy putting his kid in the rear of his SUV and I didn't realize the door had hit mine until I got home. I have the paintless dent guy coming next week to fix it.

    The audio is great and everybody loves the camel interior (it is a bit richer and different than most interiors). My Sony Ericsson phone links perfectly with the bluetooth and everybody in the car can contribute to the conversation!

    The engine is smooth and runs great. The navi is wonderful and the audio commands really impress people - dial the phone, set the temperature, and answer the nave system - all by voice -- and no, it does NOT need any training to a specific voice! (very impressive).

    The car is quieter thank my Audi and again, have not seen/heard any rattles.

    Average mpg in mixed driving has been about 19, which is a bit lower than I expected. Perhaps after break-in it will improve. I did zero the trip computer on the freeway and the steady-state cruising at 65mpg mileage was reported at about 31.

    One slight complaint is in the handling deparment. The steering is nice and firm, as is the ride, but what I've noticed after driving the car longer than you normally do on a test drive is that going relatively quickly through long sweeping turns feels noticeably less stable than in the Audi. In a 60 mph sweeping freeway ramp turn, when you hit small bumps the car wants to roll side to side a bit, and this affects the steering stability, feeling like it wants to wallow left to right with the rolling of the car. The Audi did not do that at all - it was rock solid. I had previously driven a G35 and felt it was even worse than the TL, however. I guess the A4 spoiled me a bit.

    I can also tell that the overall solidity of the TL is lower than the A4, which is a very heavy car for its size. The trunk sounds a bit tinny when shut, and I miss the gas shock mechanism -- the TL still has supports than intrude into the trunk, although there are nice covers to protect the luggage (look at one and you'll see what I mean).

    Still, overall the TL is a very impressive package for the price and I'm very pleased so far. I just wanted to let people know that problems are posted quickly, but that there are probably a large majority that have few to none. The initial quality of my car is better than any new car we've received to date!
  • shs111shs111 Posts: 39
    I replaced a very troublesome Jaguar XJ8L with the TL last December, and could not have been happier with my decision. For all that I've read about the TL -- squeaks, tire problems, etc. etc. -- I have had none of these issues. It's a great car, fun to drive, and I am still amazed at the value for the money. I realized that I was taking a risk buying a car in its first year of production, but no regrets. I have thought about replacing it with the RL (AWD in New England is very appealing), but am still enjoying the TL too much to fork over the add'l money. For anyone considering a TL, I'd say it's well worth consideration. It's a great driving car, great value, and the Acura dealer is about the best I've encountered. Happy car shopping.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Regarding your "one slight complaint in the handling department", I recently drove a friends automatic TL and found that the difference in suspension stiffness between it and my 6-speed, while not enormous, is noticable. My 6-speed is pretty flat and tight in the curves. The 6-speed has the larger diameter anti-sway bars and "sport tuned" suspension. On the other hand, I also noticed that my friends automatic is somewhat quieter on the highway, with its standard tires, vs. the HPT tires taht came with the 6-speed.
  • brew99brew99 Posts: 86
    "and I miss the gas shock mechanism -- the TL still has supports than intrude into the trunk, although there are nice covers to protect the luggage (look at one and you'll see what I mean)."

    tlong - what is the gas shock mechanism that you are refering to?

    I also made the transition from an '98 A4 but a 1.8 version and have been in the TL since Feb and echo all of your comments. I miss my fold down rear seat and I would give the edge to the A4 slightly in terms of handling/agility but the TL is an outstanding vehicle considering everything.
  • Nice to finally hear someone with something positive to say about the TL. I guess it is just the nature of the forum to post negative items. Lets face it, just like the newspapers, positive things are just not as note worthy as the bad things, and because that was all that I was reading it got my attention. So when I picked up my TL yesterday, I had alot of apprehension. Although I have only put my first 44 miles on it, I have not had any vibrations above 55 mph and have yet to hear my first squeak. With all the negative posts I have read I am hyper vigilant on these issues.

    I think the TL is a awesome product and I hope it will be as trouble free as my 86 Honda CRX-SI was until I donated it with 204,000 miles three years ago. Time will tell, and so will I.
  • igibanigiban Posts: 530
    pilotguy1,
    You got a red one right? How did it 'hold up' so far? Hope you got good sunshine to reflect that bright pearl. Did you get camel or parchment? Did you get mug gurads and if so does it look OK on red?
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