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Older Acura TLs

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  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,938
    Which is what I was talking about as well. How would ice build up on the mirror without building up around the mirror? I'm talking ice, not frost. If it can melt the ice off the mirror, the ice surrounding the glass should fall away as well. That has been my case, but I guess your case varies. Sorry for the confusion.
  • igibanigiban Posts: 530
    Well the ice won't melt in a second right? I think what they are saying is that you start the car, and drive-reverse right away when mirror would try to tilt, before heater gets a chance to really melt the ice. Of course you can also wait a few more seconds for the heated mirror to melt the ice b4 you move reverse.
  • Is it just me, or does the recently unveiled 2006 Passat look alot like a TL (rather than the aborted bubble that it was before)?
  • Where did you see it? Please post the url. Thanks!
  • I stumbled across a picture of it on the cars!cars!cars! blog page:

    http://carscarscars.blogs.com/index/2004/12/2006_volkswagen.html
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,362
    you are right, it does look like an elongated TL.....but TL proportions are just right....
  • Agreed, the side view of back end looks similar. But, the new Passat still has a bit of that bubble look, just more subdued in the 2006. Also, the edges (ala TL and BMW) take your eyes off that bubble-shaped top.
  • The owners manual says "during the first 600 miles, *avoid full throttle starts and rapid acceleration, *avoid hard breaking for first 200 miles, *do not change the oil until the multi-information display indicates it is needed"

     

    I'm at 800 miles, but have way too much snow on the roads to push this car.
  • upndwnupndwn Posts: 44
    I continue to read these discussions trying to carefully vet each choice I might make. If not for the frequent vibration posts, I would be finished. Because of them, I am still in the process. Other choices, "old style" A4, TSX and way behind, 9-3.

     

    It does seem that the vibration posts seem to be from a few irate owners, but I would be that irate were I in their position and received the responses they report from Honda. It seems implied that the 2005s have some chages aimed at fixing, but have not echangested the vibration problem, or characteristic in Honda speak. It also seems that the 6 speed reduces the incidence of the problem, but again, does not eliminate it. So, since I want a 2005 6 sp. am I safe? Can a thorough test drive further reduce/eliminate the chances of owning a TL with this characteristic?

     

    On a more simple level, are the heated front seats

    bottoms and backs or just bottoms. Someone told me that the TSX has bottoms only, another said TSX driver gets bottom and back, but front passenger

    gets bottoms only. What is the situation in the TL?

     

    Thanks for your help.

     

    P.S. Anyone think there are people spreading any misinformation pro or con about the TL via these boards?
  • phkckphkck Posts: 185
    So how much is it going to cost me for a new remote and key?

    Still looking around the house so still hoping to find them.
  • Regarding the vibration issue, we did hear there was a 'change to the undercarriage' in the '05. My guess is, if Honda/Acura figured out the cause, they'll have it fixed.

     

    Regarding heated seats, my back and butt are both warm when I sit in mine. I am an '05 TL 6 sp owner. It's a world of difference in performance vs. the automatic.

     

    I suppose there is some misinformation on these boards, but the majority was very useful to me in my car search. I've noticed a certain amt of self-policing going on....some of the regulars call out B.S. when they see it.

     

    Good luck in your search. All your choices are nice cars.
  • danny1878danny1878 Posts: 339
    I think there is no issue about reliability in new TL. Even with my TL'04, everything is in excelent condition. Except the tires (flat spotting a little for the first 2/3 months).

     

    I think there are misinformations. If I had a problem with the car, I would ask for a solution from the folks at this forum or go to the dealer for more specific problems. That is what normal people do when they have a problem, right!. But the way I see it, the poster just complain and complain and then bashing and bashing. The complaints even come from people who dont even have one. If I were in that situation, I just get rid of the car and move on. Genuine complaint do exist thou, unfortunately not all of them

     

    Sometime you get a solution from people who dont own acura but others. And the solution is "Stop buying Acura"

     

    I believe there isnt a perfect car for everybody. IMO TL is not a perfect vehicle that can please anyone.

     

    Good luck with you research.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    In the owner's manual, it says "Because of the sensors for the side airbag system, there is no heater in the passenger's seat-back. So I think only driver gets heated seat-bottom and seat-back.
  • phkckphkck Posts: 185
    So, the Key runs $31 and the key fob $89 plus programming.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,645
    Update on new TL: Filthy thanks to Mother Nature (snow, sleet & rain)! I've put just over 200 miles on it (I need a roadtrip!) and the average mpg is up to 19mpg. At half full, I pumped in 9 gallons of 91 octane and reset the trip computer (mpg at that time was 12!!!).

     

    This car is MUCH quieter than my late, lamented (yes, still) '99 Chrylsler M. Biggest difference is wind noise, barely noticeable even at 60+mph. Couldn't say that about the M. Also, great smooth power delivery and I'm still overloaded with audio choices! Car is, and feels, smaller than the M, which was another trait I was looking for in my next car.

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • webby1webby1 Posts: 209
    We are not allowed to post other forum addresses but I assume you visited the Acura TL 3rd generation forum ?

    Lot's of info on vibration.

    Regards,

    Webby
  • Interesting bit about not changing the oil. Never seen that before.
  • Thanks for the update. I'll be interested to see what you have to say after break-in. Also interested in your evaluation of seat comfort v. the M, which, in my opinion, was very comfortable for big guys like me (6'-4", 230). Also curious, did you consider the TSX?
  • upndwnupndwn Posts: 44
    Thanks to all who have replied so far.

     

    Yes, I have seen the 3rd Gen. forum. I guess the misinformation question goes to that one too. I just seems a little over the top, maybe because the unfortunate unsatisfied owners hang around a long time complaining again and again.

     

    I do still feel for those who have legitimate gripes. I wish everyone could be as happy as laurasdad.
  • I think the point is the initial engine oil is specifically designed to 'condition'/break-in the engine. Changing prematurely the first time might not be good for the long term health of your TL. That's the message I got from the salesman.
  • exb0exb0 Posts: 539
    I bought my ’04 TL in December 03. I had major vibration problems. Acura replaced the tires with “new reformulated” Bridgestones, but the problem persists. A friend of mine just called me from NY with the same problem. The dealer gave him summer Bridgestones, but vibration continues, and Acura is refusing to do anything about.

     

    My question is, is it the tires or the car? Has anybody who used to have vibrations with the Bridgestons, especially in the 50-60 mph range, and replaced them with the Michelins, did it solve the problem?
  • golfnut5golfnut5 Posts: 202
    I was on a straight part of an interstate today and went full throttle from 60 mph. I was surprised at how quick I got to 105 mph. I did not hold it for long, but it was fun while it lasted. I only have 1200 miles on my TL so I did not want to push it. My previous car was a 2003 CTS, the TL feels much quicker from 60 to 100 mph than the CTS. No vibration either, just smooth acceleration.
  • phkckphkck Posts: 185
    Yes, amazing how quick these TL's are, 04 AT here. For fun do a google search for 'wrecked exotics'. Helped me slow down a bit after spending some time on that site. There is actually a pic of an 04 TL that was t-boned, side curtain air-bag and all (may have to go thru quite a few photos). Looks like the TL held up well.
  • achadhaachadha Posts: 106
    Exb0,

     

    I too have an 04 TL bought dec 03. They replaced my tires with the new set of of EL 42's but I still feel the vibration problem. I don't know what to do next either...
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    Replacing the tires has improved the vibration issue in some cases but not all. It would therefore appear that there is an inherent defect in the driveline of the TL. This issue has been discussed at length on other internet forums, especially the Acurazine forum, and has kept me from buying a TL and although I am continuing to investigate its origin and possible resolution, I am concerned that in many cases there may be no resolution and if one gets stuck with a car that resonates, one is simply stuck with it.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Hello, fellow Vancouverite. Enjoying the snow and freezing temperatures? I, luckily, do not have the vibration problem (so far). But I wonder if an extended test drive not uncover the problem if a certain car has it? Afterall, if the problem originates from an inherent defect in the driveline, or chassis, it should manifest itself from the get go. The only problem, I suppose, is not many dealers may want you to put on a couple of hundred KM on a car that you may not end up buying.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,645
    The seats in the TL seem much firmer although one must remember that my M seats had 5.5 years to settle... I did find the M seats excellent. I'm not sure if I'm quite as comfy yet, I think it has to do with the seat bottom length (too short or long, just not sure yet). Not that I'm uncomfortable, it's just different. I'm only 5'10", so I fit just about any car. Note that my dad is 6'4" and he has an '04 and loves it.

     

    Although the TSX is a very nice piece of work, I didn't consider it. I really wanted the style and horsepower of the TL. I'm not actually sure the TL is "worth" the extra ~$5K, but it was to me. I do know the Mercedes E320 ain't worth the extra ~$15k over the TL. But I did really enjoy the E...

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • There seems to be quite a bit of angst about this vibration issue on '04 TLs. I wanted to share a few opinions on this topic. First, anyone buying a first model year car after a complete redesign (new platform, etc) is taking risks that both quality and engineering bugs have been worked out. This would seem specially true in the beginning of a new production cycle (cars made in the first months of the redesign). One would expect a Honda/Acura, Toyota/Lexus, Nissan/Infiniti product to have better initial quality, based on data and the Japanese Kaizen (literally 'to make better') manufacturing philosophy. But, of course the defect rates may be higher initially. As for subsequent model years, I think you have to put some faith in Acura's obsession with quality and use of Kaizen techniques. They achieve better quality because they spot defects, tear apart their processes to find the cause, and fix it. This sounds simple but it is the major reason the Japanese care companies build better products, and they can achieve high quality in Ohio or Alabama, wherever, not just in Japan. Sooo....there is never any guarantee that you won't get a car or any product that is defect free, but your chances are certainly better with Acura than Chrysler, Ford, GM, and even recently Mercedes and Volkswagon. That's why you buy the Acura. I think this vibration thing is very unfortunate for the few people that bought '04's, but I wouldn't hesitate (and I didn't) on an '05.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    To be fair, Honda is not the only car company, or any company for that matter, to exhibit this behavior. Toyota did likewise with the sludge problem. In fact, they went one step further and actually blamed the consumer for the problem initially. With the tires, despite obvious problems, I don't think the problem is as widespread as it appears. Also, it's not as simple as just switching tire brand. I'm sure there is some complicated contract Honda has with Bridgestone that prevents Honda from just unilaterally dropping the Turanza. Who knows, it may be Bridgestone that's doing the stonewalling.
  • al57al57 Posts: 67
    could someone tell me how this car responds in the rain and snow,currently own 2000 maxima se with 26000 miles and is horrible in bad weather,is it the wide tire torque to the wheels,want to make a move not an error
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