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Older Acura TLs

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  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Funny you should ask, 'cause we're just in the midst of a cold spell here with about 4 - 6 inches of snow, ice, etc. I've had no problem navigating my TL to and from work, pick up my kids, etc. Stock all-seasons and all. Mind you, I have not had to go up any steep grades, or anything too tricky. And of course, you have to exercise good judgement with regard to speed and so on.
  • I've had my TL for just over 2 weeks. Live in Iowa. For most of that time we've been hit with one wave after another of freezing rain or snow. So, I've had lots of time already in bad conditions. In fact, I'd like some dry roads so I could have fun with it. The car handles very well in the bad stuff. This is my first car with traction control, so I don't know how the TL would compare to other similar cars in bad conditions. I did drive a Maxima when shopping, in fact chose the TL over Maxima in part because I felt the handling/road feel were better. I'm have the stock all season tires and mine is a 6 sp. Getting started in slippery conditions with this clutch and manual can be a little tricky but the having the control of the manual for down-shifting is great.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I had a '95 Maxima that had limited slip differential, and that also handled snow quite well. One thing about the TL. Because it has traction control which utilizes the brakes to control wheel spin, you have to try to minimize the traction control from activating as much as possible, or else you would start to smell the brakes burning after awhile!

     

    BTW, I haven't done anything radical enough to test the effectively of the stability control. I think the VSA on the TL is programmed not to intrude too early.
  • I have an '05 TL in Anthracite Metallac which I purchased two weeks ago. The car had been on the dealer's lot for one month. Following recommendations here, I ordered Zaino and was going to apply it today. I took the car to a touchless car wash as it was a little dirty and then drove just 1 mile home. When I went to start polishing the car, I noticed a fine dust like material all over it (not the windows though). When I tried to wipe it off, a lot of it would not adhear to a dry cloth-- it would just move around on the car- and what I did get off was black. I didn't drive on a newly paved road or anything, so I can't imagine what this stuff is. Is there a possibility it is some residue from the paint on the car? Has anyone else had a similar experience with an '05 TL in this color?
  • danny1878danny1878 Posts: 339
    It certainly handle better than my accord. It was almost a foot of snow outside my garage last week. The accord gave up on me so I didnt have much choice but to drive the TL. (one thing that I always try to avoid, salt n snow). The VSA was on and off but I drove the car easily for 30 feet (with an "S-shape" turning driveway) until I reached the main road. I was surprised and wanted to try it again but by the time I got home, there was not much snow left. The snow-plower did the job too well.

     

    My brother has an '04 IS300 with snow traction control. IMO TL works the same way like the IS.
  • ktnrktnr Posts: 255
    My guess is that you're finding adhesive residue from the white plastic paint protection sheeting applied before the car was shipped.

     

    While not a huge problem, it's disappointing how much of this residue is left on the paint when the dealer removes the exterior plastic. It'd be nice if Honda/Acura would use a different material that came off cleanly.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I'm actually surprised your brother's RWD IS works as well as the TL in the snow, even with traction control. I see a lot of Bimmers with traction and stability control sliding all over the road when it snows.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Does anyone knows if the TL's traction control also works when the car is in reverse. I was backing into the garage last night, and spun the wheels on a patch of ice, and I don't think the traction control kicked in. Or at least I didn't see the yellow indicator light on the dash flashing on.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,938
    Most traction control systems don't work in reverse.
  • phkckphkck Posts: 185
    You might consider a better winter tire if you encounter a lot of snow. Tirerack does tire evaluations and the stock 04 all season tires score 3.5 of 10 for the snow. The list price from them is $212. I try not to take the TL out in really icy or snowy conditions.

    As an aside, I had a 00 Maxima that had Toyo all seasons that handled the snow very well.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    IMO, LSD (not the drug) is superior to brake-activated traction control in the snow, since it doesn't counteract the forward progress.
  • Any idea how to get the residue off? A car wash didn't do it and wiping it did nothing but move it around. I don't suppose I can put Zaino on the car with it in this condition.
  • There's a cleaning kit that includes a bar of clay to take out all the residue and/or tough dirt off the car before you wax it. For more info, please check out:

     

    http://www.autopia-carcare.com/inf-clay.html

     

    http://www.customrodderweb.com/tech/0409cr_mothers2/

     

    http://store.auto-geek.net/wg8000.html
  • danny1878danny1878 Posts: 339
    Bodble2,

     

    My brother lives in colorado, Denver to be exact. His prev car was Mazda6. I have never seen the car yet nor driven it. He just bought it 3 weeks ago and been out in the snow since. Colorado has been hit by snow more often than where I live.

     

    He said good things about the snow mode the vehicle has. His mazda6 had 1 major accident that cost his insurance $14k and 2 minor accidents due to tires or its allignment. I cant actually say its better or at least the same thou but he keeps driving the car more safely.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,457
    Actually, the brake-activation doesn't impede progress nearly as much as the stability control systems that cut power.... Sometimes, braking a wheel slightly, will help it "hook up" a little, but cutting power.. yeowww...

     

    In heavy snow, you have to turn stability control off, or you'll never get anywhere..

     

    Once you are moving on slick roads, however, stability control works wonders...

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  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    But if you turn VSA off, you also turn traction control off, which leaves you with essentially the effect of an open differential and you may end up sitting there with one wheel spinning.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,457
    Not in my car, it doesn't... When you turn off DSC in a BMW, you still have traction control..

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  • lemmerlemmer Posts: 2,676
    Is that new? In my wife's 2000 323i, I used to turn off the traction control and smoke the tires pretty well, as I felt the car needed some excitement on the weekends after a week of daycare duty.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,457
    There might be a way to turn off traction control totally... But, the first stage, just turns off DSC and leaves traction control on.. I don't drive the car enough to have looked into it farther than that..

     

    I did read up on how to achieve the fastest take-off from a dead start, though.... hmmm.. wonder why?

     

    regards,

    kyfdx

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  • lemmerlemmer Posts: 2,676
    All I did was pressed the DSC button once. Ours was a stick shift - don't know if that matters.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,457
    DSC might have changed... ours is an '03.. and an automatic..

     

    1) Push DSC button once..

    2) Slide auto selector to manual, then click forward to get M1.

    3) Take hand off shifter, put two hands on wheel.

    4) Mash the pedal and say, "WWWHHHEEEEEEEEE"

     

    But, traction control is still on...

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  • aaarghaaargh Posts: 230
    Perhaps this is a weird question...

     

    I have the all-season floor mats. Each time I get into the car with snow, slush, etc... the floor mats get wet. So far so good.

     

    My pant legs are constantly hanging in the salty, dirty water that accumulates. Anybody have the same problem? What do you do about it?
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    "My pant legs are constantly hanging in the salty, dirty water that accumulates. Anybody have the same problem? What do you do about it?"

     

    I pull my pant legs up a little after I get in.
  • on which exact models do you get the Michelins?, is it any with the Navs, or does it have to be Navs with 6-speed...?

    And, are these the Pilot A/S? becuz on tirerack, the OE's they talk about are the Pilot HX MXM4, are not rated as well. ? thx.
  • The good news is that you get Michelins with any model equipped with Navi regardless of the tranny; the bad news is it's HX MXM4, which is a poor tire in comparison to the Pilot Sport A/S, but at least much better than the notorious EL42!
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Wear flood pants. They're not called flood pants for nothing! :)
  • brew99brew99 Posts: 86
    I wasn't crazy about the floor mats that acura was offering with the TL - seemed a little cheap and a little slippery if I remember correctly. Bought some good winter/all season mats that collect the water down below and never have any problem with salt or water.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    The winter mats that we have in our Accord are actually called "Pant Saver", I believe. The mat consists of deep rubber grooves so your pant legs won't come into contact with the water collected there.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,624
    As I complete my third week of TL ownership, my only ? at this point are the tires. So far in limited snow/slippery conditions duty, I don't think I'm impressed with the winter grip. Tire Rack reviews give the ELs terrible snow performance rating and so far my TC & ABS have already engaged more often than they did all last winter in my 300M with the often maligned Goodyear Eagle LS tires. The Goodyears did ok by me.

     

    I'll see how the tires continue to handle this winter. Other than that, I'm really enjoying the quite ride and smooth, strong power delivery! Of course, I can't keep the car clean with our crazy N.E. weather, which always drives me nuts! And I still have no intention of paying for XM. Nice, but far from necessary.

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  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    After our major snowfalls and deep freeze, our roads here are full of cracks and pot holes. And I have to admit, for the first time, I am experiencing the jarring ride that others have complained about. Worse is that not only is it tough on your kidneys, it also brings out the noise gremlins!
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