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Older Acura TLs

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  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I'd bet it's part of the residue from the pre-delivery protective cover that they put on new cars. The dealer should be able to clean that off. I have not notice anything like that on my TL.
  • golfnut5golfnut5 Posts: 202
    Has anybody on this board replaced their cabin air filter? If so, where is it located and is it difficult to replace? If possible please describe how to replace the cabin filter. I found nothing in the owners manual explaining this procedure. Thanks.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    highender,

    "Why is front wheel drive that limiting in terms of HP usage?"

    I thought I saw from a previous post that you own a Porsche Cayenne (Turbo?) and have considered some other "high-end" cars, as your name suggests. If that's true, you are asking me to explain why FWD is limiting in terms of horsepower / performance?? I think the engineers at Porsche could answer that one better than I ever could hope to.

    Speaking of whcih, I am considering a bit of a splurge on a 2005 911S Cabriolet. That would make the TL a lot easier to live with as an everyday sedan. Unfortunately, it would make my wallet about $100k lighter with nominal options. I expect I'll come to my senses before putting down a deposit.
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,362
    Hi habitat:

    Yes, I do have a cayenne TT. But I am not an engineer....so I am at a loss to explain the apparent lack of spirited hp of TL. I mean, 270 hp is great...and we love the car...I know that there is a movement among car makers to go back to rear wheel drive....but I think FWD is good, and will pull the car up in snow country better , with less chance of sliding.

    I just don't see why FWD Horsepower has to be less powerful than RWD horsepower....I mean engineering wise...that's all.

    Its always good to talk to you.... :-)
  • giovanni1giovanni1 Posts: 106
    a quick google search turned up this link which has a decent explanation.

    http://www.corollaperformance.com/TechInfo/RWD.html
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,699
    Because over about 250 hp you start to get torque steer where the torque driving the wheels tries to turn the wheels. There may also be an issue with the CV joints or FWD tranny as to how much power they can take.

    Not to mention that RWD vehicles have a better inherent front/rear weight balance. Hard to get a FWD car with 50/50 balance.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Highender,

    Giovanni's link to the BMW analyis of FWD vs. RWD is an excellent, easy to understand analysis for us non-engineers. The rear weight shift under acceleration explains a lot of why FWD is inferior to RWD for hard acceleration.

    With 270 hp at the front wheels, and revving up my 6-speed to about 6,000 rpm, I could just about spin all of the rubber off my HPT tires if I attempted to keep up with a 235 hp BMW 330i from a dead start. The TL may have the BMW beat in measured horsepower, just not in "useable" horsepower/torque. Come to think of it, I am not sure there are any decent sized FWD cars capable of 0-60 in under 6 seconds.

    All of which makes it amusing to me to see Billyperks running around looking to race all takers with his FWD, automatic transmission Acura TLS.

    The BMW analysis also explains why the 2005 911 S with 355 hp spanks the Corvette C6 with 400 hp and gobs of torque. The RWD, rear engine setup is about as good as it gets with respect to maximizing bang for the horsepower buck.
  • billyperksbillyperks Posts: 449
    Maybe I am just a darn good driver. :)

    But I will stick this- the 1990 FWD Maxima cannot keep up with the 2003 AUTO TLS.
  • ljwalters1ljwalters1 Posts: 294
    Just want to say that I love my car. It's comfortable, safe (drives great in rain), fast and overall amazing! I've had it for about a month now (bought it used), and at first, I thought the whole car was overshadowed by the amazing nav system. The voice recognition and integration with climate control and radio is fantastic! Only in the past week have I been able to focus on the car's ride, which is great. Sporty, but comfortable (though I might go for cushier tires when these lose traction). Shifting is a pleasure, fantastic handling, and even if it's not the fastest car in its class (b/c of engine placement, fwd, hp or whatever), it's got more than enough power to get me in the correct lane at the last minute. This car is well-built, safe & fun.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I bet you are a good driver.

    I'm still dissapointed that I didn't take my S2000 to "Friday's at the Track" at Summit Point Raceway for professional track driving instruction. However, it is my understanding that, after exposure to such an event, it would be virtually impossible to buy anything but a rear wheel drive car.
  • kfhmailkfhmail Posts: 199
    Anyone out that know if Acura "usually' makes any modifications (maybe minor ones) for the 3rd year of a model style?

    I am talking about things like slightly changing the front grill or front end, color choices, or any other minor modifications inside or out of the car.

    In other words is it business as usuall to make changes in the 3rd year?

    Thanks.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    You may see some minor cosmetic changes in the 3rd year, and an earnest refreshingly in the 4th year when serious improvements take place. Although for the TL, I'm not sure how much hardware you can add to it without robbing RL sales.
  • ljwalters1ljwalters1 Posts: 294
    I'd expect that when they do a full "refreshing," as you call it, they'll add automatic headlights, all-wheel drive (as an option) and incorporate traffic reports into the nav system.
  • aaarghaaargh Posts: 230
    I seriously doubt they will add AWD as it will cannibalize RL sales. Especially if they add the real-time traffic to the navigation system.

    We'll see.
  • ljwalters1ljwalters1 Posts: 294
    Guess we'll see. I think the G35 added awd, and I think the TL will do it to keep up, and maybe draw in some anti-fwd drivers. As far as cannibalizing the RL, I se your point, though I think if the TL as the more sporty and the RL as more luxurious. The RL would still have more luxury features (I think). I know your response already - having more might not be enough to justify the added expense.

    It might depend on what they intend to do with the RL in 2005/2006. Maybe they'll add a v8 engine to it, and upgrade the nav to recognize spoken street names? I understand the M35/45 nav recognizes spoken street names.
  • giovanni1giovanni1 Posts: 106
    A V8 in the TL? I doubt that will never happen, I don't believe Honda even uses a V8 in any of it's vehicles.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I actually think the TL would get a hyhrid version before it would get AWD, since the Accord has a hybrid. But V8 is definitely out of the question. If they offered a V8 in the RL, then maybe, just maybe, the TL would get the SH-AWD system.

    But auto-headlights, ventilated seats, keyless access, 8-way power passenger seat, etc would be more likely upgrades.
  • ljwalters1ljwalters1 Posts: 294
    I was talking about adding a v8 to the RL, not TL. If they had a v8 in the RL, that would further distinguish it from the TL, so they could upgrad the TL in year 4 or 5 and not take away from RL sales.

    Good point about Honda needing to create a new engine to do this.
  • aaarghaaargh Posts: 230
    What have 04' and '05 (if any) TL owners been charged for the "B" level service by their dealers?

    According to the manual, it's pretty much the same as the "A" service except there are inspections.

    Thanks in advance.
  • shs111shs111 Posts: 39
    My B level service just cost $88 at Boston Acura.
  • aaarghaaargh Posts: 230
    $88? Wow.

    I was quoted between $148 and $165 from the three Northern Ohio Acura Dealers. Did this include all the inspections, tire rotation, and oil change?

    FYI, My "A" service was around $75.

    Thanks.
  • spfoteyspfotey Posts: 130
    am curious if there are any former 3 owners -- who have bought the TL. we have the old TL (1999) and it has been very reliable but want something sportier that also doesn't feel like it was generated by a computer. looking for feedback on this TL -- is it fun to drive?
  • ljwalters1ljwalters1 Posts: 294
    I've never driven a 3 Series (I want a larger car and the 5 series is just out of my range), but love my '04 TL. I have the manual tranny, which gives me a firmer suspension, and I'd say it's a very sporty ride. Very good acceleration and great handling. I live in a city, so I get more opportunities to test the handling than the outright acceleration. Some people will deride the fwd, but frankly, it hasn't been an issue for me (though there is some torque steer if I really push it off the line). For day-to-day driving, it's very sporty, and on curvy roads it's very sporty. I only see the fwd being an issue if you will regularly be pushing your car as fast as it can go fr 0 to 60.
  • duonduon Posts: 2
    I own a 04 TL and i blew my sub by cranking up the discrete control to subwoofer +6 then blasting it to techno and trance with alot of bass. Now whenever i turn on the sub, i get a crackling disturbance even at low volume. Has anyone else come across this problem and does anyone know if this problem is covered under the factory warranty. Im just surprised that the engineers would overlook the maximum power output of the receiver to the sub and the max power the sub could handle.
  • duonduon Posts: 2
    i used to have the moonroof visor installed on my 04 TL until i decided to go on a top speed run down a long empty streech of highway. everything was going fine until at about 200 km/h or 120 mp/h when the visor starts to shake. i didnt mind it so i keep pushing. a couple a moments later, a hear a loud boom and there goes my visor and the moonroof along with it glass and all. i went back to the dealer, told them the story and got it fixed free of charge and got a refund for the visor.
    this is a warning to all TL owners with a moonroof visor. "do not do a top speed run with the moonroof visor, it'll rip off your moonroof" and cause alot of inconvience
  • spfotey,

    I have a response in this discussion group a few pages back. I leased a 2002 330i with 5 spd, premium and sport packages. I returned it and leased a 6 spd TL with A/S tires (I since upgraded the tires to Max Performance A/S which I'd recommend. A longer story.)

    Here's my short answer. Edmunds has the exact right approach. If money is no object, the BMW 3 Series is awesome. It simply drives and handles better than the Acura TL. I loved it!

    However, for most of us, money is a strong consideration. My guess is that a comparably equipped 330i (bigger engine, various option packages, etc.) will run you $8-$10k more than the Acura TL. Is it worth it? Depends on what else you will do with the money you save. I think it is a very individual decision. When you factor in the "value proposition" the Acura TL is very compelling.

    All that said, I am very happy with the Acura TL and would recommend to anyone. No, it does not handle/perform as well as my old 330i, but it does a lot of things very well and is a lot of fun to drive. It's fast, the transmission is great, its bigger than the BMW, has a great stereo, great seats and a great climate control system. I've owned Honda products in the past and love their ergonomics (better than BMW) and overall build and quality. Both cars have super engines.

    If you've never owned a BMW and have the money, go for it. Recommend you wait for the 2006 to hit the lots and drive both cars.

    Have fun and good luck.
  • fdcapt2fdcapt2 Posts: 122
    I was wondering if anyone was lucky enough to get to the show and check out the upcoming Acura models. Was there an '06 TL there by any chance? If not, was any info available on changes, no matter how small on the '06 TL. It's really starting to suck when most other manufacturers are showcasing their new stuff, and us TL people are kept in the dark. Thanks for any help
  • gb23278gb23278 Posts: 4
    Alright, I am looking to get a 05 or 06 TL. I am interested in knowing more about the audio system. I am not really interested in the dvd-audio, i really listen to just cds and mp3s. I am not really interested in XM. Can I remove the XM input from the head unit and connect an mp3 player? Any other ways to connect an mp3 excluding an fm transmitter (lose of too much sound quality for me)? Now to my biggest question, and this would probably be directed to someone who has the TL with experience in aftermarket audio systems. How does the sound system in the TL compare to an aftermarket system like this (the one I have):
    -Rockford Fosgate Component fronts (2 tweeters & 2 main)
    -6x9 3-way Pioneer rears
    -Speakers powered by a no name brand 200watt amp (not sure if it is really 4x50 watts, do not know the rating on it, was given to me for free)
    -2 10 inch rockford fosgate subs, powered with 300watt rockford fosgate amp
    -Pioneer Head unit

    I want clarity but i need power too because I like to listen to my music loud. As you can see my current system is by no means that powerful, but I would like something better than it being that i am spending this much on such a nice car.
    How easy is it to add subs to the new TLs? Any input would be great on these topics. I have heard how great the audio system is for dvd audios and xm, and these features are great for use in the future, but right now they are not what I need.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I seriously considered the 2004 330i, 530i and 545i (all manual transmissions) before buying a 2004 TL 6-speed last May.

    I found the 2004 330i too small to adequately cart my wife and two pre-teen kids on long weekend trips. We recently replaced our Isuzu Trooper with an MDX, but I still like the idea of having two vehicles that can comfortably haul the family. The 5-series looks hadn't grown on me at the time and the 545i 6-speed was up into the $60k range. Great car, but not a great value, IMO.

    After 13,500 miles with my TL 6-speed I would say it's "fun to drive", with the only real limit to it's handling and performance being the FWD setup. It's also a great value given all of the standard features and Acura build quality and reliability.

    However, if I were in the market again today, I would check out the new 2006 330i arriving in April. It's supposedly almost identical to the previous generation 5-series in size and got a power upgrade to 255 horsepower. It would be difficult for me to give up the Acura navigation system, and all of the standard features of the TL now that I've gotten used to them. However, the RWD setup and BMW driving dynamics clearly make it the class leader in "fun to drive".
  • I read this posting in the morning and it made me laugh --only because I now really feel old. I have no idea what any of this equipment is or what it does. I don't even know how to use a MP3 player!!

    Having said that, I'm not sure the Acura TL Audio system allows for too much upgrading. Even w/out the nav, the dashboard is all very integrated and tied into the radio. This is mostly for use with XM, but is still pretty slick.

    If you Google "ELS Surround" you'll get the web site of the the radio and the audio system. It will give specs on the speakers etc.

    You may also want to check out some of the Japanese manufacturers as I think they are including MP3 capability in their audio systems. The Acura TL does not.

    I really like the stereo, it is easy to use, the XM is all integrated and great, the sound is fine. My bet is you'll be disappointed however. I'm not sure it was designed to play really loud.
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