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Older Acura TLs

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  • dcwong1dcwong1 Posts: 54
    Maybe the Bimmers (3 and 5's) arent' a good comparison to the TL even though the TL is billed as a sports sedan. Afterall, the price is several thousand dollars higher than the TL or TL-S. However, you can't beat the inline-6 (any model) in smoothness versus any V6 in the world.

    A better comparison would be the TL against the I30 or I30T. They're both luxurious and compete in the near-luxury entry level sports sedans. Hands down winner would be the TL. The I30 is essentially a fancier Maxima with a softer suspension and 5 more horsepower, which you won't feel anyway. The BIG drawback is the I30's rear axle-beam suspension. Nissan went cheap to save a couple of pennies. They bill the Maxima and the I30 as sports cars but give me the TL with the multi-link suspension and it will drive circles around the I30, not sure about the Maxima SE though.

    To lfuron: Does your Stillen have the independent or beam-axle suspension?
  • hunter001hunter001 Posts: 851
    I see a lot of fellows making blanket statements like "BMW handles better than the TL" etc...

    Basically, the way the statement ought to be worded is:

    "RWD BMW 325/330/530 handles better than the Acura TL in bone dry weather, while the TL/TL-s outhandles the BMW cars in anything other than bone-dry conditions"...the exceptions would be the All-wheel-drive BMWs.....anyone who has driven a rear-wheel-drive car in the snow or rain or slippery conditions, I am sure would agree about the cars being extremely squirelly and un-predictable in less-than-perfect weather...even with the presence of crutches like Stability Control systems like DSC, VSC, VSA or whatever, that covers up the shortcomings of the RWD car....

    Later....AH
  • r3ficor3fico Posts: 11
    How many of you TL owners have experienced this problem: when I shift from D to R on my 2002 TL there is a mild clanking noise. Not too loud but defintely audible. No problem when I shift from P to R, or P to D however.

    The service manager at the Acura shop claims this sound is normal. However I can't help think there is something wrong here.

    Have any other '00, '01, or '02 owners experienced this?
  • ynick79yynick79y Posts: 2
    is there a acura resedsign for 2003 or 2004, also any1 hear nosies when u shift from Drive to reverse on a 2002 acura tl.
  • tgif888tgif888 Posts: 351
    No noise here- Acura 2002 TL Type-S. The TL just get a face lift on the 2002. I don't think it will have a re-design in the 2003 or 2004. Well, no one know what Acura will do. The Integra design had been used for 8-9 years.
  • dcwong1dcwong1 Posts: 54
    I've probably driven the majority of the Acuras from the Integra, Legend, to the TL - Haven't tried the Vigor, NSX, or MDX. The FWD vs modern RWD debate will probably last forever on which one handles better in rain / snow. Actually, the FWD Acuras, IMO, didn't handle as well as I thought it would. Maybe it had something to do with the tires (All Season Performance), but the RWD BMWs without AWD actually handled better in snow with the All Season tires than the Acuras I have driven. It even surprised me. With FWD, you have the front wheels having to handle steering, braking, and pulling the car. With RWD, the front wheels only have to deal with steering and braking. I get a better feel of the road with RWD than with FWD.

    What will the marketing people do when the RL becomes RWD in its next generation? Look at all the luxury makes - Lexus, Infiniti, Benz, Audi (with Quattro), and BMW. Their top performing cars have RWD and they all tout the safety, road handling, and performance of RWD. Acura and Caddy are joining in the fray in converting their top of the line cars to RWD because of all the current tech like VSA, DSC, and ESP make handling in inclement weather possible.

    Of course, it don't matter if your car is AWD, FWD, or RWD - using 4 snow tires is better than any of the three drivetrains.
  • mhammy84mhammy84 Posts: 167
    Already own a 2000 TL and 2001 CL-S...both AWESOME cars. Was just curious the other day, and went and drove a Passat (the new one). The sticker said they wanted over 32K bucks for it, and I seriously thought this was a serious competitor (I never considered this vehicle when purchasing the my TL a year ago). Now I am GLAD that I never considered this car...it was so weak, and the design was not that great. When I first started the car, there was this nasty idle noise, sounded like a diesel truck, and I had to confirm whether or not this car had a diesel engine (TDI). He said no, and that was a turn-off. The shiftronic tranny was basically useless, and the car felt much like a four cylinder. What I did like was the noise the engine produced, much different from the usual japanese high-revving noises that I am so used to for years. After bringing it back, I was just surprised to see that VW actually sells these cars...the design is nice, but I dont associate luxury with the VW name, and also, the options available are not even close to the TL, other than the 4motion. But I would definately give that up for the HIDs, better OVERALL styling, and other options available on the TL. The TL just seems much larger than the Passat. Go Acura!
  • edmundwedmundw Posts: 3
    I've noticed this noice too but not only when from neutral to reverse but also from park to reverse. It wasn't so noticeable when the vehicle was new. I began noticing it after a few hundred kilometres. I'm going to ask the service people if that's normal when I bring it in for 6,000K service.

    I've also noticed that the brakes are quite up to what I'd expect from a vehcile with this kind of power. The chassis has room for improvement too. Any of you guys notice this on your 2001 or earlier TL?

    Like to hear your views.
  • stooxiestooxie Posts: 4
    Hi folks,

    Sorry if this has been answered already, but has anyone ever received a DVD update for the nav system? I've only had my '00 TL for 6 months, but I somehow doubt I'll just magically receive free updates every now and again. The database is very thorough, but is only current through about 1997-8.

    Anyone know how that's supposed to work?

    As a note, I think the nav system is just great, despite many peoples' dismissal. I travel a lot for my job and I use it all the time, with great success.
  • dpr5dpr5 Posts: 32
    Opinions seem pretty strong... I think they are both great cars. I test drove both last week. The TLS is certainly more powerful than either of the Passat engines. Styling is normally somewhat subjective. The Acura shows its Honda heritage which is not a bad thing. The Passat is more European. The Acura on the inside is more 'Techno' but as all Hondas/Acuras the ergonmics are top notch. The Passat is more metro, but pleasing and to my view quite comfortable. Even though the Acura is bigger, I found the rear seat in the Passat had more room and the trunk in the Passat is also bigger. While both cars handle very well, I give a very slight edge to the Passat.

    I would actually prefer the Acura if it came with a 5 speed and a folding rear seat. I just can not seem to get myself to purchase an automatic. The tip or manual/automatic action just leaves me cold. Its personal preference. I am making my choice and ordering this week.

    By the way the Acura brochure beats the Passat brochure hands down. :-)

    Dave
  • tgif888tgif888 Posts: 351
    go to www.acura.com I think you can buy the update online. When I bought my Type S, the sale said the Nav. is going to update it itself everytime when I turn it on. I don't know is it true or not?
  • To update the DVD Navigatyion you can order an update thrrough the Acura website at www.acura.com
    Updates cost about $150 and consist of a new DVD that replaces the current disk that is now in the navigation system (in the trunk). Replacement is easy, turn on ignition, open door on Nav system, remove DVD disc and replace with new disc, turn off ignition and then turn on ignition and new disc will be recognized.
  • hunter001hunter001 Posts: 851
    You are the first person who I find is saying that RWD handles better than FWD in the snow/rain.... WOW !!! Do you have any clue of what you are claiming ?!! Have you any understanding of something called the "Laws of Physics" ? To clarify, the BMWs are extremely un-predictable and miserable in snow...slippery/wet conditions also merit a lot of care while driving a RWD car.... there is no rocket science in it... and to claim otherwise, is laughable.... Systems like "DSC" "VSC" "VSA" etc., help in reducing the miserable effects that a RWD car exhibits in non-bone-dry-weather, but still cannot replace the traction offered by a FWD or an AWD vehicle. Snow tires will certainly help a RWD vehicle, but a FWD vehicle fitted with snow tires will still out-handle the RWD vehicle (with snow tires) in snow.

    Incidentally, the top of the line Acura - the aircraft aluminium alloy bodied, mid-engined, HAND-BUILT NSX ($88,000)is a Rear-wheel-drive vehicle....but please don't try to drive it in snow....

    Take care...

    Later...AH
  • schollscholl Posts: 13
    After a year of dreaming and a number of test drives - this average six-footer could never find a comfortable position in the cramped TL . 38.2" headroom -ridiculous! I challenge anyone to find a comparable sedan that has less headroom. I've looked at a number of specs on Edmund's site and haven't found it. What's up with this trend - do designers think we're a shrinking species? I loved this car but didn't need my head 1 inch from the top - and believe me I'm an average proportioned dude.I'm completely in a quandry as to what car to look at now. Lexus is too expensive and I can't stomach the thought of a third accord in a row - perhaps a two year old GS300. It was like I've been teased with the perfect car with the exception of one flaw .My 94 accord has plenty of headroom. This is the first time I actually wish I was shorter. Have fun!
  • hunter001hunter001 Posts: 851
    I am 6'1" tall and have about an inch and a half to 2 inches of headroom to spare.... some days back, a pal of mine from Germany had travelled with me in the car... he is 6'4" tall.... no problems with the head room even though it was on the borderline.... basically what it comes down to is whether you have longer limbs or a longer torso... I don't suppose I belong to the "shrunken species"....;-(

    Later...AH
  • hunter001hunter001 Posts: 851
    Motortrend May 2001 issue:

    0-60----6.28 Secs
    Qtr Mile----14.72 at 97.6mph
    Braking 60-0---- 127feet

    Later...AH
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    they had to make them so low, to beat the unbelievable 6.4 seconds that they measured on a regular TL some time ago :)
  • hunter001hunter001 Posts: 851
    The regular TL was at 6.7 Secs 0-60 not 6.4 Secs.... Thus the TL-s timing is about 1/2 a second quicker than the regular TL, and the quarter mile if you notice comes blazingly faster at a tremendous trap-speed - 14.7/97.6mph....the regular TL manages the same in 15.2/93.1mph....this is obviously a tribute to the engine residing under the regular 3.2TL's engine bay - the way it generates its power and the way the power reaches the ground (Transmission)....Thus the regular TL's engine is no shrinking violet - just that the TL-s engine is even better....but since they share the same transmission, the timings are not that far off each other.

    All the much more expensive cars in the comparison test, were equipped with manual transmissions to keep up with the TL-s, which was equipped with its standard automatic. Only the Mercedes C320 (which was slower than the TL-s/TL) was equipped with an apples-to-apples automatic.

    The main difference between the TL/TL-s however, is the handling improvements in the TL-s...not speed alone

    Later...AH
  • badjeep1badjeep1 Posts: 8
    I too have noticed the squeaky seat in my TL when the passenger seat is occupied. The sound is actually coming from the seat belt (the component that holds the buckle). I haven't had it fixed yet, but it is definitely the cause. If you push on it, the noise will likely stop for a few minutes.
  • dcwong1dcwong1 Posts: 54
    I think arguments can be given over and over again on how FWD is better handling in inclement weather than RWD or vice versa. I know that the FWD Auras that I have driven including the TL have always squatted when accelerating, which means that the front end lifts up and the weight is transferred to the rear, lowering tire adhesion to the road. Also, it is a known fact that if you put too much power to a FWD, no matter which brand of car, you typically get torque steer. With a RWD, sure, you get spinning at the rear but you still have the front wheels to point your car in the right direction. It just that your back end might break loose. The flip side though is that typically the RWDs are on performance cars (ie. NSX, 911, Z8, Vette) and they typically wear some of the widest tires on the rear, which sure doesn't help when driving thru snow. I see that the Acuras are typically wearing low-profile tires, which doesn't help in snow or rain. You can probably handle better in snow with higher ratio tires like those on a Corolla but the handling probably suffers because the sidewalls are not that stiff and the cornering is not like a TL or any other car for that matter.

    Many sides to the endless debate! Later
  • cjb10350cjb10350 Posts: 6
    just got a 2002 tl (eternal blue) what a great car. leased it at curry acura in scarsdale, ny. sales guy named eddy. $27,710 plus 450 bank fee. $383 a month ($414 including tax) very nice guy and nice dealership.
  • ynick79yynick79y Posts: 2
    hey i read ur post. i am going to curry acura in scarsdale ToMORROW to try and haggle a cheaper price if i can on a type s with navi.
    what u think is a good price??
  • Looking to buy a 2001 TL w/o nav thinking that with the 2002's out now should get a good price. Does anyone think that 25K is probable?? Any thoughts on whats a fair price now???
  • sb55sb55 On an Island in VermontPosts: 185
    I hope you have good luck at Curry Acura. I'm really mad at the other Acura of Bedford Hills, Northern Westchester's other Acura dealer.
    5 weeks ago my wife backed my 2001 TL into a rock at the end of our driveway. She was not going fast, but the right wheel was caved and it look like only the lower suspension was broken, so I had it towed to the dealer rather than a body shop, since there was only a scratch on the bumper and I assumed they would do the work. WRONG! Apparently they farmed it out to a body shop who is doing his best to gouge the insurance company since the adjuster is going back for his FOURTH visit. Every week the car will be ready Friday, then Thursday they find another problem.
    Since I took it to the dealer they should be the ones handling it, but they do not even return phone calls! They just gave me the body guy's number and told me to deal with it.
    Maybe I'll use the dealer for routine maintainance again, but never anything out of the ordinary.

    2007 Miata, 2010 BMW 535xiT, 2014 Chevy Silverado LT Ext. cab, 2006 Subaru Legacy Wagon

  • rickslickrickslick Posts: 27
    I own a 01 TL, black, and I read post from owners that said the use a different cloth or soap so that it won't show those ugly swirl marks in the paint. What's it called and is it something I can buy from any parts store??
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    they are pompous morons.

    One time I stopped by to see if I could test drive a TL.

    The salesguy asked if I was interested in sitting down and talking about bying a TL. I sad "no, I just want to test drive it". Then he said "If you don't want to buy it, then I don't have time for this".
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Pardon the interruption - I want to explain the name change of this discussion.

    Since we have moved to our new platform, we no longer have the requirement to stop and restart discussions after the numbers of posts exceed a certain limit. Since this discussion can continue as long as anyone has anything to say about 3.2 TLs there is no longer a need for the "Part 5" that has been included in the discussion name. Down the road, that could confuse our newer members so I have removed it.

    I've altered the name slightly of the original restyled 3.2 TL discussion in the Archives to differentiate it from this active one.

    Please continue...

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  • lgtltdlgtltd Posts: 8
    Did I get a good price on my non-nav 2002 TL today? $27,800, including destination and mud flaps. Dealer also offered all remaining 2001 at Invoice.
  • antonkantonk Posts: 19
    How do you suppose the 0-60 numbers of these two cars differ in a street start (not the kind they do at Motortrend)? The fastest start for the Maxima is 7.4 sec (auto), and the TL - you guys say 6.7, Acura Canada site says 8.2.

    So what do you think would win the 0-60 STREET run without any fancy techniques?
  • robnisrobnis Posts: 78
    My wife has a late model (99 Max GLE with automatic) Nissan and it is rated 0-60 at 8.1. The older Max may be a bit quicker. However, the 2002 TL is in the roughlt 6.8 sec range. I have seen a variety of times on both vehicles. If the Max were stick it would be close, but you indicate both are automatic so the TL would win.

    BTW, both are great cars.
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