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Older Acura TLs



  • prigglypriggly Posts: 643
    Does the 2005 Acura TL still have harmonic distortion in the drivetrain, as amply complained about on multiple forums including those on ACURAZINE, like its preceding models or has this been eliminated in the 2005 model? To my mind, this would be the main reason to pass up buying this car. Is the 2006 likely to have it?

  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Please enlighten me on what "harmonic distortion in the drivetrain" you ae talking about. I have a 2004 TL 6-speed w/ 10k miles and haven't noticed a thing other than a free revving engine and smooth operation at all speeds. Is this another automatic transmssion-only issue?
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    IIRC, I think it has to do with the torque converter. If so, then yes, it would be automatic only. (But I've not experienced any such problem on my automatic TL)
  • What is that? mine is also an auto.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Thanks for the link. My own unscientific poll of two other TL owners that I know is "no probelm", including one who has an early build (bought 11/2003) TL automatic.

    The one poster with a 6 speed manual claims that the vibration stays after he speeds up to 90 mph and puts the car in neutral and coasts down to 60 mph. He is sure it's not the tires/wheels, since he has two sets and experiences the same vibration with both. However, it doesn't sound like a "drive train" issue to me, because it still occurs when the engine is disengaged. Almost sounds like an axle or wheel bearing issue.

    In any event, I don't have it so I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I was referring to the vibration at a certain speed that some owners have experienced.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    That's it! But like I said, fortunately I have not experienced it on mine. Just a bit of a rough idle at times.
  • webby1webby1 Posts: 209
    You are lucky....this would drive me nuts!
    Local Acura dealers are still denying that there is a vibration problem....however they are admitting that they have changed to different tire for the 2005 model.
  • sb55sb55 On an Island in VermontPosts: 157
    Re post #6491, I too have rough idle, only when cold, on my '05 with about 3500 miles on it. Is this normal? It is fine when warm, and I haven't had a chance to go back to the dealer.

    2007 Miata, 2010 BMW 535xiT, 2010 GMC Sierra SLE, 2006 Subaru Legacy Wagon

  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I think it's probably harmless. I just feel a bit of pulsing. Nothing major. Otherwise the car starts fine, no stalling or anything. I recall my 2001 CL-S also exhibited similar characteristics. Buttery smooth idle is one thing that the Nissan VQ engines have over the Honda V6's.
  • tomsr1tomsr1 Posts: 130
    I think my TL is a soft riding car, but is there any way to make it take corners like a beemer.I rode in my coworkers grand prix for 200 miles and it was too firm for my taste. Can I have both a soft but well controlled ride.Is it the shocks or the springs or tires.I will not give up my reliable Acura for a troublesone BMW.VW advertises as being the most fun to drive but reliabilty is poor.I guess I want a go cart that rides like a Cadillac.
  • Webby I think you got a BMW 325 not a TL. Did you actually asking around the local Acura dealers for that?
    This is your post webby1 "BMW 3-Series vs Acura TL 2004" May 5, 2004 8:40pm!

    Thanks bodble2 for the explanation. Mine doesnt vibrate also.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    You might want to try out the new TL. It is a vast improvement over the previous TL in handling. I went for a Maxima SE in 1995 and it wasn't until the 2004 TL redesign that I would have even considered buying a TL. Don't get me wrong, the pre-2004 TL was a nice quiet near-luxury ride, but handled very indifferently, IMO. The 2004 TL is in a completely different league.

    You might also try driving the 6-speed TL. The 6-speed has a stiffer suspension, Brembo brakes and (optional) high performance tires. I believe the handling of the TL 6-speed is the best of any FWD sedan out there. Better than Audi and VW, and competitive with the RWD Infiniti G35, IMO.

    However, make no mistake, even the new TL does not match the handling of the 200 lb lighter, RWD 330i. The 50/50 balance of that car and BMW suspension technology produces the best handling small sedan, period.
  • tomptomp Posts: 5
    Just beginning my research but I want to purchase an 05 by year end. How does the TL compare to the G35. I probably prefer a smooth ride over sportiness. Nav is important.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I considered both the G35 and TL. My conclusions were:

    The ONLY advantage the G35 has over the TL is the handling of RWD vs. FWD. And it is not a big difference. The G35 is NOT a BMW 330i, no matter what Infiniti marketing promotes. I actually thought the steering in the TL was crisper, although it can be affected by torque steer.

    The Acura TL navigation system - 8" screen, voice activated - is the best available in any car, IMO. Add the voice recognition for other controls - audio, HVAC - that comea with the Nav system and the advantage is even greater.

    Acura offers a few other features - Bluetooth phone, XM radio / DVD audio system, lighted steering wheel controls for everything, etc. that the G35 didn't offer. The G35 interior just looked downscale to me.

    The Acura TL engine is smoother. The G35 has a torque advantage, but it is at the expense of a rougher engine. I have a 1995 Maxima with the 3.0 liter version of the 3.5 liter V6 used in the G35 and felt that my 10 year old Maxima engine with 153k miles wasn't as rough as the G35.
  • kennyg5kennyg5 Posts: 360
    Couple other points: I believe the G35 now comes with AWD, which is not available in the TL. However, the TL has a better interior, but rumors have it that the 05 G35 has made substantial improvements. I have not seen the 05 G35, and do not have a basis to form a reasoned judgment.

    I believe most car mags tout the G35 as more of a driver's car than the TL, mostly because of its RWD and better steering and handling. However, if you want a nice blend of luxury, sportiness and new cutting-edge gadgets at a reaonable price, the TL is a VERY GOOD choice, particularly if reliability is also your top concern.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I also heard the 2005 G35 received an interior upgrade, but haven't seen it in person.

    As for the G35's "better steering and handling", I honestly didn't find that to be the case. I do prefer RWD in principle and the TL does exhibit occasional torque steer under hard acceleration, but in my test drives, I found the handling and steering of the G35 to be at best on par with the TL. Clearly, all RWD's are not created equal. The 330i, 530i and 545i I drove after the G35 were several rungs up, especially in terms of steering feel and feedback.

    I have not driven the G35 AWD. I don't believe it came with a 6-speed in the past, perhaps that's changed.
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    "I think my TL is a soft riding car, but is there any way to make it take corners like a beemer."

    In a word, no.
  • rikkrikk Posts: 14
    You want to drive a Volvo S60R. The suspension is adjustable so set it for what you want.
  • I heard that the first week of January Nextel is finally coming out with a phone that has bluetooth. The only problem is that I need to by a bluetooth SD chip because it is compatable and not already installed. Does anyone know if this method will be able to be paired with my TL? Or should I just come to grips with the fact that all Nextel really is is a fancy over priced walkie-talkie?
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