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Older Acura TLs

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  • exb0exb0 Posts: 539
    I bought my ’04 TL in December 03. I had major vibration problems. Acura replaced the tires with “new reformulated” Bridgestones, but the problem persists. A friend of mine just called me from NY with the same problem. The dealer gave him summer Bridgestones, but vibration continues, and Acura is refusing to do anything about.

     

    My question is, is it the tires or the car? Has anybody who used to have vibrations with the Bridgestons, especially in the 50-60 mph range, and replaced them with the Michelins, did it solve the problem?
  • golfnut5golfnut5 Posts: 202
    I was on a straight part of an interstate today and went full throttle from 60 mph. I was surprised at how quick I got to 105 mph. I did not hold it for long, but it was fun while it lasted. I only have 1200 miles on my TL so I did not want to push it. My previous car was a 2003 CTS, the TL feels much quicker from 60 to 100 mph than the CTS. No vibration either, just smooth acceleration.
  • phkckphkck Posts: 185
    Yes, amazing how quick these TL's are, 04 AT here. For fun do a google search for 'wrecked exotics'. Helped me slow down a bit after spending some time on that site. There is actually a pic of an 04 TL that was t-boned, side curtain air-bag and all (may have to go thru quite a few photos). Looks like the TL held up well.
  • achadhaachadha Posts: 106
    Exb0,

     

    I too have an 04 TL bought dec 03. They replaced my tires with the new set of of EL 42's but I still feel the vibration problem. I don't know what to do next either...
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 643
    Replacing the tires has improved the vibration issue in some cases but not all. It would therefore appear that there is an inherent defect in the driveline of the TL. This issue has been discussed at length on other internet forums, especially the Acurazine forum, and has kept me from buying a TL and although I am continuing to investigate its origin and possible resolution, I am concerned that in many cases there may be no resolution and if one gets stuck with a car that resonates, one is simply stuck with it.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Hello, fellow Vancouverite. Enjoying the snow and freezing temperatures? I, luckily, do not have the vibration problem (so far). But I wonder if an extended test drive not uncover the problem if a certain car has it? Afterall, if the problem originates from an inherent defect in the driveline, or chassis, it should manifest itself from the get go. The only problem, I suppose, is not many dealers may want you to put on a couple of hundred KM on a car that you may not end up buying.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,491
    The seats in the TL seem much firmer although one must remember that my M seats had 5.5 years to settle... I did find the M seats excellent. I'm not sure if I'm quite as comfy yet, I think it has to do with the seat bottom length (too short or long, just not sure yet). Not that I'm uncomfortable, it's just different. I'm only 5'10", so I fit just about any car. Note that my dad is 6'4" and he has an '04 and loves it.

     

    Although the TSX is a very nice piece of work, I didn't consider it. I really wanted the style and horsepower of the TL. I'm not actually sure the TL is "worth" the extra ~$5K, but it was to me. I do know the Mercedes E320 ain't worth the extra ~$15k over the TL. But I did really enjoy the E...

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • There seems to be quite a bit of angst about this vibration issue on '04 TLs. I wanted to share a few opinions on this topic. First, anyone buying a first model year car after a complete redesign (new platform, etc) is taking risks that both quality and engineering bugs have been worked out. This would seem specially true in the beginning of a new production cycle (cars made in the first months of the redesign). One would expect a Honda/Acura, Toyota/Lexus, Nissan/Infiniti product to have better initial quality, based on data and the Japanese Kaizen (literally 'to make better') manufacturing philosophy. But, of course the defect rates may be higher initially. As for subsequent model years, I think you have to put some faith in Acura's obsession with quality and use of Kaizen techniques. They achieve better quality because they spot defects, tear apart their processes to find the cause, and fix it. This sounds simple but it is the major reason the Japanese care companies build better products, and they can achieve high quality in Ohio or Alabama, wherever, not just in Japan. Sooo....there is never any guarantee that you won't get a car or any product that is defect free, but your chances are certainly better with Acura than Chrysler, Ford, GM, and even recently Mercedes and Volkswagon. That's why you buy the Acura. I think this vibration thing is very unfortunate for the few people that bought '04's, but I wouldn't hesitate (and I didn't) on an '05.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    To be fair, Honda is not the only car company, or any company for that matter, to exhibit this behavior. Toyota did likewise with the sludge problem. In fact, they went one step further and actually blamed the consumer for the problem initially. With the tires, despite obvious problems, I don't think the problem is as widespread as it appears. Also, it's not as simple as just switching tire brand. I'm sure there is some complicated contract Honda has with Bridgestone that prevents Honda from just unilaterally dropping the Turanza. Who knows, it may be Bridgestone that's doing the stonewalling.
  • al57al57 Posts: 67
    could someone tell me how this car responds in the rain and snow,currently own 2000 maxima se with 26000 miles and is horrible in bad weather,is it the wide tire torque to the wheels,want to make a move not an error
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Funny you should ask, 'cause we're just in the midst of a cold spell here with about 4 - 6 inches of snow, ice, etc. I've had no problem navigating my TL to and from work, pick up my kids, etc. Stock all-seasons and all. Mind you, I have not had to go up any steep grades, or anything too tricky. And of course, you have to exercise good judgement with regard to speed and so on.
  • I've had my TL for just over 2 weeks. Live in Iowa. For most of that time we've been hit with one wave after another of freezing rain or snow. So, I've had lots of time already in bad conditions. In fact, I'd like some dry roads so I could have fun with it. The car handles very well in the bad stuff. This is my first car with traction control, so I don't know how the TL would compare to other similar cars in bad conditions. I did drive a Maxima when shopping, in fact chose the TL over Maxima in part because I felt the handling/road feel were better. I'm have the stock all season tires and mine is a 6 sp. Getting started in slippery conditions with this clutch and manual can be a little tricky but the having the control of the manual for down-shifting is great.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I had a '95 Maxima that had limited slip differential, and that also handled snow quite well. One thing about the TL. Because it has traction control which utilizes the brakes to control wheel spin, you have to try to minimize the traction control from activating as much as possible, or else you would start to smell the brakes burning after awhile!

     

    BTW, I haven't done anything radical enough to test the effectively of the stability control. I think the VSA on the TL is programmed not to intrude too early.
  • I have an '05 TL in Anthracite Metallac which I purchased two weeks ago. The car had been on the dealer's lot for one month. Following recommendations here, I ordered Zaino and was going to apply it today. I took the car to a touchless car wash as it was a little dirty and then drove just 1 mile home. When I went to start polishing the car, I noticed a fine dust like material all over it (not the windows though). When I tried to wipe it off, a lot of it would not adhear to a dry cloth-- it would just move around on the car- and what I did get off was black. I didn't drive on a newly paved road or anything, so I can't imagine what this stuff is. Is there a possibility it is some residue from the paint on the car? Has anyone else had a similar experience with an '05 TL in this color?
  • danny1878danny1878 Posts: 339
    It certainly handle better than my accord. It was almost a foot of snow outside my garage last week. The accord gave up on me so I didnt have much choice but to drive the TL. (one thing that I always try to avoid, salt n snow). The VSA was on and off but I drove the car easily for 30 feet (with an "S-shape" turning driveway) until I reached the main road. I was surprised and wanted to try it again but by the time I got home, there was not much snow left. The snow-plower did the job too well.

     

    My brother has an '04 IS300 with snow traction control. IMO TL works the same way like the IS.
  • ktnrktnr Posts: 255
    My guess is that you're finding adhesive residue from the white plastic paint protection sheeting applied before the car was shipped.

     

    While not a huge problem, it's disappointing how much of this residue is left on the paint when the dealer removes the exterior plastic. It'd be nice if Honda/Acura would use a different material that came off cleanly.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I'm actually surprised your brother's RWD IS works as well as the TL in the snow, even with traction control. I see a lot of Bimmers with traction and stability control sliding all over the road when it snows.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Does anyone knows if the TL's traction control also works when the car is in reverse. I was backing into the garage last night, and spun the wheels on a patch of ice, and I don't think the traction control kicked in. Or at least I didn't see the yellow indicator light on the dash flashing on.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,938
    Most traction control systems don't work in reverse.
  • phkckphkck Posts: 185
    You might consider a better winter tire if you encounter a lot of snow. Tirerack does tire evaluations and the stock 04 all season tires score 3.5 of 10 for the snow. The list price from them is $212. I try not to take the TL out in really icy or snowy conditions.

    As an aside, I had a 00 Maxima that had Toyo all seasons that handled the snow very well.
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