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Older Acura TLs

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  • ezaircon4jcezaircon4jc Posts: 793
    I am an Air Traffic Controller. We just had a breifing on GPS . There are 2 sensitivities, one military and the other civilian. The civilian version is PURPOSEFULLY inaccurate (for obvious reasons). I believe the built in error is ~300ft.
  • You can get TL at or close to invoice price from Brunswick and Ocean Acura in NJ.
  • hunter001hunter001 Posts: 851
    I would modify your statement to:

    The Civilian and the Military Nav operates pretty much the same everywhere (it was not so till a year back) except for sensitive areas, where the civilian version has a built in error of ~300ft.

    I say that because, the GPS Navigation in my 3.2TL, never ever misses a turn....the built-in in-accuracy at best is a few feet (<10ft ?) and while driving, the 10ft in-accuracy cannot be noticed....with a 300ft error, I would have been missing every street, turn and highway exit, I would suppose ?!!! :( :( But possibly, if I were to drive around in a sensitive area that has say, a Nuclear Power plant, the 300ft in-accuracy would kick in....never experienced it however..

    Later...AH
  • The GPS system does NOT have areas of intentionally greater/lesser accuracy. There is a relationship between GPS accuracy & where you are at this moment on the earth, but that is because of the number of satellites & their geometry relative to you. The GPS satellites are not geostationary, and even if you stay in one spot, the satellites are moving relative to you, and the geometry & number of visible satillites will change. There are two signals transmitted by each GPS satellite, one available only to the military, and one for civilians. In the past, the civilian signal was also degraded to reduce accuracy to a spec of approx +/-300 ft. That degradation has been removed, and the civilian spec is now approx +/- 90 ft, although you should typically experience much better than that. The military signals are better still.


    Geometry and availability of satellites is the key to GPS. If you are in an "urban canyon" (tall buildings all around) that block the satellite signals, accuracy will be poor. It takes a minimum of 3 satellites to do 2-D positioning, but 4 or more is MUCH better. In a fairly open environment, you should be seeing 6-10 satellites at all times, and the accuracy will typically be +/- 20-30 ft.


    Do not confuse the accuracy of the navigation & mapping software with the accuracy of GPS. If the number of available satellites drops, the software may put more emphasis on the inputs from other sources, such as the speedo, the steering angles, etc. Mapping accuracy may degrade fairly quickly.


    For more GPS info, try:

    http://www.trimble.com/gps/index.htm


    A former GPS Engineer

  • lgtltdlgtltd Posts: 8
    This car moves!!... and this was the TL not the TLS. Of course the engine was very smooth and responsive, but I was particularly impressed with the transmission. It responds immediately to throttle input and shifts are imperceptible, noticed only by the increased rpm's. This car is QUIET. Gone is the wind whistle from the side mirrors(noticed on test drive of a pre-owned '00 model). I'm not real crazy about the rims, TLS rims look much better.

    I want one, but do not want to pay MSRP. Dealer has had 8 cars for three days now and has yet to sell one. He told me I would be the first. I am beginning to believe some of the earlier posters who say that demand for this car isn't going to be as great as we are made to believe. I'm not in a hurry and going to wait to see if they will come down off of MSRP.
  • robnisrobnis Posts: 78
    Interesting, it sounds like the Acura (typically) wants to gouge the public. Rather than settle for an appropriate profit. I have the TL-S first on my list but if the dealerships play their games again, I can easily go to my #2 vehicle. Hey, I can even see what the new A4, Jaguar X, and ES300 are like then!

    Can you tell me where you are located? I am near Harrisburg, PA
  • hunter001hunter001 Posts: 851
    Jeffvaline:

    Your explanation sounds reasonable and pretty much jells with what I experience on a daily basis...thanks for the link.

    Later...AH
  • hunter001hunter001 Posts: 851
    If Acura were to come out with an All-wheel-drive sport-wagon (similar to the BMW 540i sport-wagon),with the VTM-4 AWD system and maybe a limited-slip-differential and the Navigation system, I would trade my beloved 2000 TL up in a second.

    But such wonderful ideas never seem to occur to the powers-that-be.

    At least Acura/Honda is coming out with a Sedan/Coupe on a stretched Honda S2000 RWD platform....should provide some desperately needed competition for the BMW 3-series and maybe the Lexus IS series. Wonder what took them so long...especially since the S2000 was available for the past couple of years...

    Later...AH
  • schollscholl Posts: 13
    I'm going to be buying a TL soon and wonder (not having had leather seats before) - would there be an appreciable difference in interior heat if I bought the silver or the black exterior (both have ebony interior - I definitely like the ebony more than the taupe). Yes, I understand that it has a good air conditioner - however, I live in sunny Southern CA and am curious. Checked out the 2002 and am glad I waited - even though I'll be buying base TL - the minor changes are worth it. I think the rims and headlights are nicer.
  • svec7186svec7186 Posts: 56
    just got a new 2001 tl for $26000 for paramus acura in NJ.

    2 questions:
    1) what octane is needed? the salesman said 91.

    2) i read in another newsgroup that the tl has paint flaking problems. any news about paint problems?

    thanks
  • tlswhiztlswhiz Posts: 19
    This question has been asked and answered EXTENSIVELY on www.acura-cl.com and other acura forums -- see "2002 Acura TL Type S" for my post on it.
  • I'm also in sunny SoCal (San Fernando Valley). I have owned several cars over the years and many of them white. I can say that cabin temp does stay cooler in a lighter color and the lighter color is also much easier to keep looking clean. That being said, our 2000 TL was a replacement for my wife's 90 white Maxima and she did not want another white car--so she ended up with Montery Blue. Pluses are that the color is not that common and (when clean) looks great--especially with gold logos and accents. Of course, like I warned her, the car heats up much more quickly than a ligher color and the dirt starts showing within hours after washing--requires daily wipe with the California duster.
  • Saturday was my test drive day, as I got to drive a 2002 TL Type S, a 2002 TL (non Type S), and a 2001 TL (in exactly this order). I found the Type S to be very similar to my CL Type S (IE no surprises--except that the back seats are really comfortable!). The regular 2002 TL was also pretty good and provided a bit softer ride. When I took the 2001 TL out of the parking lot, I immediately noticed that the amound of wind/road noise in the cabin was remarkably worse than the 2002. Actually the new TL's are quieter than my CL. For "kicks and giggles", I stopped by a Honda dealer later that day to get the details on their financing special. I took out an Accord EX-V6 and noticed that it, too, was much quieter than the TL.

    Consequently, I'm in a real quandry as to what to buy.
  • jbreez1jbreez1 Posts: 46
    HE GROUP,

    BEGAN MY SEARCH FOR A PER OWNED LUXURY WITH BTW 323/328. ALTHOUGH I LOVE THE LOOK, PRICES SEEMED HIGH AND I KNOW THEY CAN BE CRANKY. SO I CHECKED ON CARS IN THE SAME CLASS. LOOKED AT AURA AL, INFINITY 1S30, AUDIO A4, LEXUS ES300. AM I SEEING THINGS OR IS THE AL 3.2 AS GOOD A DEAL AS IT LOOKS? SEEMS LIKE YOU GET MORE FOR THE MONEY THAN ALL THE OTHERS, WITH THE PEACE OF MIND OF A RELIABLE AUTOMOBILE. MOST TESTS COMPLAIN YOU DON' GET THE PERFORMANCE LIKE A BMW (YOU ALSO DON'T GET A $30-35,000 PRICE TAG FOR A 2000. I'M LOOKING AT A 2000 BUT IF I VAN GET A 2001 FOR 26000, I'LL JUMP ON IT. IM IN ORLANDO, SO ANY INPUT FROM CENTRAL OR SOUTH FLORIDIANS IS WELCOME. ALSO LIKE INPUT FORM ANY OWNERS AS TO THEIR EXPERIENCE.

    THANX

    JBREEZ1
  • jbreez1jbreez1 Posts: 46
    SORRY, DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO WORK THE SPELL CHECK AND WHEN I HIT EDIT IT CHANGED ALL THE WORDS. BTW SHOULD BE BMW, AURA SHOULD BE ACURA, AUDIO SHOULD BE AUDI AND SO ON...

    THANX FOR THE PATIENCE, IM NEW HERE

    JBREEZ1
  • We forgive you for the spell check but please STOP SHOUTING. Anyway, you have discovered what we all found out--the TL is one of the best bang-for-the-buck bargains around. If you have never owned a BMW and if you can find a good deal, get one and get it out of your system. The BMW I owned (1986 325es) handled unbelievably and nothing else I have driven handles quite like a BMW. Of course you pay the price of entry and will continue to get soaked by maintenance costs.
  • mhammy84mhammy84 Posts: 167
    Havent been following too closely with Acuras lately after purchasing a 2K TL and 2K+1 CLS last year. Made a service appt at my local dealer for my CLS, and noticed the new 2002 sitting in the front. I checked the price, and it went way up...but its still worth it (TL-S with navi, 33,700). Now, the only thing i DONT understand is that my dealer had a dumpster-load of 2002's in the back, mostly TL-S's. Now, from my own experience last year, I couldnt even see a CLS when I bought mine, and had to wait a month for mine to show up. Dealer lots were barren...no CLs to be seen anywhere. My TL was about to be sold to someone else also, and I had to jump on the color i wanted since they only had about 3 of them total on the lot. Whats up with all the 2002's just sitting around? Is all the hype totally gone?
  • jbreez1jbreez1 Posts: 46
    Sorry for shouting. The fact that I can get a new TL for less than a '99 BMW will probably sway me. But most of all, the maintenance/reliability factor will probably be the most influential issue. Must admit though, BMW does great with fianancing. I was already approved for 5.9% on a used vehicle. Does Acura do some creative stuff with money? Anyone with experience in that area?
  • tiresiustiresius Posts: 1
    Hello all,

    Does anybody have any comment about the headroom in the 2002 as the 2001?
    It seems they took almost 2" headroom off the 2002. I verified this yesterday by visiting the dealer and sitting in both cars, as well as the Type S. My observations:
    The 2002 is definitely fighter for me, I'm about a 1/2" short of 6 feet. I had noticed when testing the 01 that I was pretty much right in the roof unless I leaned the seat back a little more than I usually do. In my '97 Altima I have about 2" between my head and the ceiling. In the 2002, my head is squarely in the ceiling unless I lean left into the sunroof opening or lean the seat way back. The Type I seemed to have a little more room. Someone mentioned that this may be because of the different seat. This appears to be true, I felt there was a little more room in the Type S. The 2002 brochure does not list a different headroom for the Type S.

    Here are the numbers from the 2001 & 2002 brochures:
    2001 exterior vehicle height: 56.1"
    2002 exterior vehicle height: 53.7"

    2001 front headroom: 39.9"
    2002 front headroom: 38.2"

    2001 rear headroom: 36.8
    2002 rear headroom: 36.5

    As you can see by Acura's numbers, they shortened the car by almost 3", almost 2" of this was lost as front headroom. It didn't look too high in '01 to me. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!

    Anybody know or have any insights on this? I really want all the changes on the 2002, but this is really setting me back. More headroom would sure be a weird reason to spend the extra money on the Type S.

    One last question, the dealer I was at yesterday seemed to want to stay at msrp on the 2002. Has anybody gotten a sense from dealerships about how long they think they'll be able to get list on the 2002, on Type I's? This dealership has received 2 shipments of '02's this week but only had 2 on Type I's on the lot. They still had about five '01's. My impression is that once the '01's are gone and the '02 keep piling in, prices will come off MSRP. I can wait a few weeks.
  • When the TLs were redesigned in 1999, the supplies basically trickled to the various dealers while prospective buyers were lining up--hence not much discount from MSRP until this year's model (2001). It seems that supply has picked up while the initial interest has died down somewhat. I see no reason to rush to the dealer the first week the new models come out--what do you expect in terms of price? I'm sure if you are patient then negotiating can be done.
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