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Older Acura TLs

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  • tksungtksung Posts: 34
    Anyone with an idea when the official spec will come out?
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    any more torque and they will have to include a truckload of trannies free of charge with the purchase of every TL.

    P.S. Honda has not been the leader in engine power. Pontiac Grand Prix GTP had 240hp and 280 lbs*ft torque way before TL and CL. Chrysler 300M had 253HP and 255 lbs*torque, TL only started production that year with 225HP.
  • heymistaheymista Posts: 22
    My 2002 Acura TL-S' Transmission failed again. First one occured at 27k and this one at 36k. The service department is telling me Acura doesn't have any new trannies available, and they want to give me a re-manufactured one. Do I have the right to demand a new one? I should not have to risk driving a car with a previously failed transmission. Am I crazy or what?
  • Three years in my vw jetta glx and I've written vw off as LEMONS. Been looking at Lexus IS and Infiniti G35 when I saw the 2004 TL. Looks really Hot! Seems like a lot of you Honda/Acura drivers are happy with your cars. Anyone out there know when this new TL is going to be available? I don't know if I can wait much longer. My jetta is going back in for unscheduled service again for the second time in two weeks!!! I'd even settle for a base Civic over a vw.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Billy,

    Post the name and/or email address of the dealership that you bought from that refuses to give you good service. Even though I'm not in the market for an Acura at this time, I'd be happy to drop them a line suggesting I would never buy from them.

    If it's any consolation, I bought an Isuzu Trooper from Fitsgerald in Bethesda, Maryland because they gave us a great deal on the price. Then they promptly started charging double what other dealers charge for routine maintenance. Like $1,000 for a 30k mile service! I've steered quite a few prospective buyers away from all Fitzgerald franchises, not just the Isuzu one.

    Heymista,

    I wouldn't accept a re-manufactured tranny unless they offered you both (1) an extra-extended warranty (100k miles minimum) and (2) some form of additional compensation (i.e. cash).

    I know a lot of the TL owners here are rather accepting of this reliability fiasco, but that is not what the "Acura" premium brand name is supposed to be about. A friend of mine is an attorney for Saab Aerospace. Although their car business is now 100% owned by GM, he told me that they often "settled" claims for compensation that were less egregious than 2 transmission failures in 36k miles.

    I don't like to advocate hiring an attorney, but in this case, I think you've got more coming to you than a third re-manufactured transmission in a $30k car.

    P.S. What the heck are they using in the new TL-S's that supposedly don't fail anymore. And why can't they give you one of those??
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    "Post the name and/or email address of the dealership..."

    It is okay to post the name, but please don't post any contact info - thanks.
  • billyperksbillyperks Posts: 449
    The morans are called "GREENWICH ACURA".
    They have not heard the last from me, I have been so busy with work and my family that I have not gotten a chance to respond.
    I am going to call the Acura hot line and also write a letter to the owner of the establishment.

    When you have a three year child at home, you don't have time to fight with dealerships and their petty ways.
  • hclllhclll Posts: 35
    Having had the new TL for 3 weeks, I found the engine performs very different from the one of my previous Maxima.

    Nissan Engine is much smoother than Honda's. For Nissan, if you hold the gas pedal at a certain position, the magnitude of power is constant, but for the Honda engine on my TL, if you hold the pedal, it feels like the power comes in frenquent "pulses". THere are 6-10 small "shocks" of acceleration coming in one second.

    It just feel like the engine also has the "tapping" design used in ABS.

    Any of you guys aware of this? Personally I still like Nissan engine better, because you can "fine-tune" the pedal action, thus the acceleration.
  • jdone1jdone1 Posts: 22
    Have your tl checked by the dealer. My tl is smoothe as an expensive sewing machine.
  • dulnevdulnev Posts: 652
    I don't have ANY idea what you're describing! "Acceleration shocks"???
  • Hey, sorry to hear about your problems with the VWs, I haven't heard a lot of complaints about them, but they are nice looking cars. My '96 Acua 2.5 TL runs great, no problems..116,000 miles and it rides very nice, like new and plenty of luxury. The new TL is supposed to begin production in the fall of 2003.....but as someone said, and it is true, Honda/Acura do not tell anyone, even the dealers anything about their new cars. I wonder if that helps sales. The new 2004 TL does look nice and is going to offer plenty of power. The 2.5 older TLs are very quick off the line (as it's an inline 5), but I wish it had more power......looks like the new ones are going to be fine when it comes to power and offer a great deal more luxury....I'd guess it will be priced around $33k or so and again, likely the only option will be the navigation. I don't think you'd be disappointed in a honda or acura.......they ride great and last forever. Hope this helps.
  • hclllhclll Posts: 35
    I mean the Nissan torque is a constant curve and linear to the pedal travel, while Honda torque is like a sinusoidal curve, and is not linear to the pedal action.

    Have to describe it using mathematical words.

    Also, TL's engine feels like it has to overcome some difficulty( friction?) when running below 3000rpm, with noticable exhaust noise, once it gets above 3000rpm, it seems the engine can rev more freely.
  • waltercatwaltercat Posts: 10
    Folks,
    Thought you might like to know what a '99 TL is like at 100K miles. My Firepepper Red '99 crossed the 100K mark earlier this week.

    Fortunately, not much to report. One repair (catalytic converter wore out at 95K). A few warranty claims (alarm system, EGR valve, and a squeak or two). Other than that, it's been maintained by the book. Factory tires wore out at 61K; brake pads all around at 80K; battery at 85K.

    The car runs like new - solid, tight, comfortable. I've averaged 24 mpg in a mix of highway, suburban, and New York City driving. Other than a door-opening ding or two, she even looks like new.

    It remains a pleasant driving car - not on a par with my newly acquired Miata, but it's responsive and comfortable. If this one wears out, I'd own another one in a minute.
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 853
    Thanks for your post. I enjoyed reading about your experience with the TL.
  • alexalee1alexalee1 Posts: 35
    Hi Spudgal,

    I was wondering if you see the side indentation on the 2004 prototype TL that you saw.

    And, also, if it has side marker lights front and back.

    Earlier blurry spy shots kind of show them, and was confirmed by the person who took it (at night).

    But, I want a second confirmation from you who have seen it in a broad daylight.

    Thanks in advance
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Well the overall shape of the new TL is promising, and the rear doors appears to be on the thick side....i.e. real luxury car build.

    http://www.thecarconnection.com/?article=6162&n=156,178&s- id=178

    M
  • justaguy3justaguy3 Posts: 5
    I currently have a '99 3.2TL and love the car. I too was very impatiently waiting for news of the '04TL, especially the interior (not much news there). I discovered the limited edition Volvo S60R! 300 HP, AWD, beautiful new interior. This is not your father's Volvo! It sounds like everything who has posted here is looking for. I test drove one a few weeks ago and immediately placed my order.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    There is a huge power (and performance) difference if you opt for the auto tranny though. But I suppose most potential buyers for this car would look at the manual tranny.
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    I want to punch you. I LOVE the 2002+ ES300's styling. It looks totally different than the Camry's which I have no complaint about.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Wow! You must've been the designer for the ES.
  • corkdsp1corkdsp1 Posts: 9
    have owned 2 legend coupes and currently have 99 TL. In market for new car, and not impressed too much with New TL designs and so much horsepower with frontwheel drive. Really need rearwheel drive and manual trans offered. Placed order for 2004 BMW 530 last week. Sure wish Acura would share more info on new car before its released. Oh well
  • fling85fling85 Posts: 1
    Can I ask what options you get for 2004 BMW 530i and what price did you order for?
  • rls11741rls11741 Posts: 2
    If you go to message #93 on this board, and click onto the "carconnection" link, you will be brought to a web site that has 2 new pictures of the new TL. You will have to work your way through the sites: ie, Photos; Acura; year, etc. but you will see 2 pictures. Double click on the pictures and they will get bigger. The front/side shot shows that this car does have the indentation running the length of the car, (including the handles). There is a Front Cover on the lights so you cannot see much. (Fog Lights?) The Rear Shot shows that this car is somewhat different from the Concept Car. The Rear Light are smaller and do not follow the cars contour as the concept car did. what do you think?
  • corkdsp1corkdsp1 Posts: 9
    options I ordered. Premium pckg(leather, woodgrain, lumbar support, garage door opener), sports pckg(tighter suspension, 18inch runflats, adaptive steering, adaptive suspension, shadowline trim), Manual trans, Logic 7 stereo, adaptive headlights.
    Pricing is not yet avail should be around 50k
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    That has always been one of my main criticisms of Honda. I think by withholding info till the very last minute on new models, they actually drive potential customers away to competing brands, as it has corkdsp. And even for people that wait it out and eventually buy from Honda, this strategy leads to unnecessary frustration, IMO.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Bodble - That is true in many cases, however, I think the flip side is a bigger concern for Honda.

    With information regarding new vehicles circulating, Honda/Acura would have a harder time selling the existing products. The current TL (for example) is selling at invoice price, but it is still selling. They're still making money. If they released too much too soon, sales of the current design would fail.

    Unlike other companies, Honda cannot easily convert excess inventory into rental cars or fleet sales. Those units would have to rot on the lot until Honda issued dealer incentives to assist them with lower the price.

    This also works from a marketing perspective. When Ford announced that they wold introduce the HEV Escape, there was considerable hype. Three years later... the hype has died and we still haven't seen the product. When it does hit showrooms, the hype will be gone. It's old news. With Honda, the hype is at its peak when you can actually buy the car.

    The truth is, releasing information early would make enthusiasts happy. People like us could daydream and make comparisons. We don't actually purchase many cars, though. The people who have cash burning holes in their wallets are the ones that matter. They outnumber us greatly. People who are ready to buy do not wait a year simply because some brand is making promises about future models.
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    Hyundai in its XG350 and Sonata has more wood trim than the TL, CL, RL, and MDX. Sure, it's faux, but it's hard to tell. Especially the RL and MDX need more wood trim to decorate their interiors especially in the rear seats. There's only a tiny slab by the window controls. The new TSX has a great amount of wood especially since it is a luxury sport sedan. It's faux and doesn't look that way a bit. Competitors like the IS300 don't even have wood trim. I can't stand the IS300 because it's interior and exterior are ugly.
  • Seems like everything I read here is positive about Acuras. I'm envious of all of you. As I wrote in a previous message, I had to take my jetta glx back in for unscheduled maintenance--that was two weeks ago--and it's still there! As soon as I can, I'm going to get me an Acura. I don't know if I can wait for that new TL Concept car. I don't think my jetta will make it. I made a big mistake buying vw.
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    I like the exterior styling but your right the interior styling is not good at all.

    As for Honda driving customers away I don't think it happens often.

    As for the XG350 its a poor selling car. It doesn't even stack up well with the current crop of new sedans.
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