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Honda Accord vs Toyota Camry

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  • For any new family sedan, with the exception to the Passat and Mazda6, it is hard to find with a 5spd manual.

    The Accord with a manual is much easier to find than either the Camry or Altima, but it is still difficult. Especially if the Accord you want is an EX-L.

    LX with manuals are easier to find I have found.

    I have only seen ONE Accord EX-L with manual, and it had a Navi system.

    The coupe is a somewhat different story from the sedan though.

    As far as the Camry, most Camrys are going to be automatic because that is what sells.

    The LE with automatic is the best seller, similar to the Accord LX with automatic.

    Most Camrys I have seen with the manual have either been basic LEs with NO options or the SE with the Conv. Plus Pkg.
  • ...has been discontinued, hasn't it ? Starting with the 2003s, if what I read is accurate.
  • But the the V6 doesn't have the 5spd anymore. That changed with the 2002 redesign IIRC.

    Camry SEs can be found at Carmax.com with 5spd, or at least they once could.
  • steveb84steveb84 Posts: 187
    The LE and SE(4) are both available in 5 speed manual, but very difficult to find.
  • i thought all the v6 now only has 5 speed and the i4 has both 4 speed and 5 speed
  • It's too bad you can't get a Camry with manual and navigation. That made choosing between the Camry and the Accord easy for me.
  • Then you are correct, I was under the impression that we were talking about manuals.

    The 5spd manual is available for the Camry LEI4 and SEI4. XLEI4s have the 4spd automatic

    The V6 models have the 5spd. automatic
  • I have a 2003 Camry LE 5 Speed, and there were several others on the lot when I bought mine. But even the dealer told me a Camry with a 5 speed is very difficult to sell. Accord in 5 speed is easier to sell...because Accord's core fan base is younger, and more sport oriented.
  • ssiussiu Posts: 25
    We got a 2004 Accord LX-V6 sedan early January. It's my wife's car but she is not a car person. I picked the Accord over the Camry. We had very low mileage (I'm too embrassed to give the number) but here is my thought after 3 months.

    Negative: the ride over bad roads is harsh. It is fine on moderately-bad roads, but on worse-than-average roads it is worse than I expect. I frequently drive a 1999 Civic, so I am used to Honda suspensions. I thought the Accord couldn't be worse than the Civic (I thought longer-wheelbase and heavier ==> better ride), but somehow it feels worse. Maybe due to the lower profile tires? Our Accord has steel wheels; I wonder if lighter alloy wheels can improve the ride.

    We miss the automatic door-locking mechanism (a safety feature). On the 1999 Civic EX Sedan, all doors lock automatically when we start the engine, and unlock automatically when we turn off the engine. (Does the Accord EX has this feature?) On our previous American car (1994 Intrepid ES), the doors lock automatically once the car reaches certain speed.

    Positive: No rattles or any other problems so far. (I think it is wise to wait till 2nd year of a new model before buying, even for a Honda/Toyota.) We are not very "discerning" so we may not notice minor rattles or build trim problems.

    Also, for someone who is analytical/objective (when comparing Accord/Camry) and not concerned about styles etc., I find that I really like the luxury look of the LED instrument panel.

    ---

    Regarding the ride, I was starting to think that maybe I should have chosen the Camry instead. (We have a 3-year old, and a baby coming in October.) That is, until I saw the NHTSA crash test results for the 2004 Camry. Then I am glad I picked the Accord. Honda has put a higher focus/emphasis on safety compared to Toyota, with its own crash test facility etc., and it shows in the consistently good crash results on all its new models. (Subaru is also good. And VW, but I won't consider VW because of reliability.)
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Camry's crash test ratings as well. But theres some wild fluctations in those tests, without Toyota doing anything to the restraint systems. I've no idea why the Camry, all of a sudden, went from 5 stars in the side impact for rear passenger, down to 3 stars. It was also a surprise that the driver dummy went down to 4 stars from the previous 5 in the frontal impact. The only changes I have read about have been in regards to strenghthening the drivers door, to improve upon side impact safety- from 3 stars last year to 4 stars this year.

    It is all very strange, and makes me wonder about the repeatability of the NHTSA tests.

    On the other hand, the IIHS offset tests seem very repeatable, and in this measure the Accord and Camry finish 1st and 2nd in their class.

    ~alpha
  • ssiussiu Posts: 25
    BTW alpha, I read your posts from about 2 months ago about the imminent release of IIHS side crash test results on mid-side sedans, but I haven't seen anything yet. Do you know what happen to that, when will it be released?
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    No, I do not know what happened. My post was regarding an episode of MotorWeek which showed that IIHS had been doing its battery of tests on midsize sedans. I dont think I was mistaken, but perhaps the epsiode was about the frontal offsets that have recently been released for midsize vehicles. OR my guess, if the IIHS has indeed tested the midsizers in the side impact, is that auto mfrs. implored the IIHS not to release results until they could offer side impact protection more widely. I read other places on these boards that there are supply issues regarding airbags and systems. The results of the side impact tests for compact SUVs were alarming to the general public to say the least, so perhaps the IIHS is cutting some slack until next year?

    ~alpha
  • ricowizricowiz Posts: 8
    I need some help. I am looking at buying a new car next month and have narrowed it down to an Accord or Camry (obviously). I have read the threads here but it seems no one is comparing the 2 or giving their reviews on the cars, only having side conversations.

    Is there anywhere I can get some good opinions on these 2 cars?
  • ral2167ral2167 Posts: 642
    email me-- have driven both in bast few months-- see my profile for email address
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Hey ral! Why not post your thoughts right here? Lots of folks would like to read them ...

    :)
  • ral2167ral2167 Posts: 642
    i drove my dad's camry (2003) for a few days, and also test drove accord-- ended up buying accord...

    strictly opinion, and in no particular order...

    little things added up...

    1) i like center arm rest on accord-- it slides forward and back..nice.

    2) i like EX version with moonroof and XM radio... 4 cylinder-- 30 mpg... plenty of oomph..and satellite radio is real nice to have...

    3) i like the keyless entry fob built into the key on the honda...

    4) i didn't like toyota $450 TDA or whatever advertising fee tacked on...

    5) i like the instrumentation in accord-- the lighting..

    6) after a few days with camry, seemed somewhat boring interior....

    those are just some things that come to mind...

    i go along with consensus that camry is "quieter" ride-- accord offers more road feel...

    both cars are nice-- all depends on your own views... test drive both... there's some things in the toyota i liked better (location of moonroof switch, for one)....
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Along with other upgrades, the 2005 Camry (available late summer) will directly address these two issues:

    "5) i like the instrumentation in accord-- the lighting.."

    Optitron gauge illumination will be standard, and there is a rumor that the color choice for lighting may be selectable (between white, blue, and redish). Thats a feature on Asian market Camrys that might not make it here, but at the very least, instrumentation will be the jazzy Optitron type, and similar in function to Accords.

    6) after a few days with camry, seemed somewhat boring interior....

    Somewhat agreed, though the Camrys dash is highly functional, its stylistically more plain than the Accords. New lower dash for 2005, as well as a new stereo head unit.

    ricowiz- Can you wait until the Fall for your purchase? The Camry will be significantly upgraded by then, with the addition of a 5 speed automatic to the 4 cylinder, larger wheel and tire options, a few more hp for the 4 cylinder, the 3.3L V6 in all trim lines, revised front and rear styling, etc. Side curtain airbags will be more widely available as well.

    Adittionally, the Accord is expected to have a revised front and rear for 2005, and side curtain airbags will be standard on all models.

    If you were buying RIGHT NOW, at this very moment, though... I'd say go Accord EX 4 (5A) cylinder, with side curtain option. $23,290 on the sticker, and you can probably pick one up for $20,250 with some haggling.

    ~alpha
  • jimtarheeljimtarheel Posts: 18
    I'm getting very close to trading my 1993 Camry in for a 2004 Subaru Forester XS because I love the spirited performance, visibility and sitting tall in the saddle, without sacrificing gas mileage. I've driven the Camry and dismissed it due to lack of visibity in the rear - the salesman explained it as "aerodynamic styling." Horsefeathers! I wonder if the Accord also has that "aerodynamic styling" that prevents the driver from seeing where the rearend of the car is. What is your experience? Thanks.
  • talon95talon95 Posts: 1,110
    ... who is quite vocal in the Accord forums about a few things that he dislikes about the Accord, is very unhappy with the rear visibility. Myself, using the Click and Clack recommended method for adjusting your side view mirrors, find the rear visibility to be just fine.

    In other words, if this is a "sensitive" area for you, you probably have to see for yourself.
  • zitchzitch Posts: 55
    I know what you mean by this. In my 03 Accord, I cannot see where my rear end is at, which makes for some fun in trying to back up into a spot. I don't remember having this problem in my 1994 Accord, but most of the cars today seem to have this problem. It's not really a big deal though, cause I now have a "feeling" of where my back end is at and how far away it is to whatever I'm backing up to. If I'm unsure, I get out the car and visually inspect where I'm at. I also don't backup into parking spots a whole lot anyways, so it's not a big deal to me.

    In any case, it looks like they'll need to add the radar-beep function they have in minivans to help you backup! Or include a rear-facing camera... :)
  • ricowizricowiz Posts: 8
    Good point alpha01. I did not realize the both cars were getting upgraded in the fall. I wonder if this will affect pricing??

    I may be able to pull it off and wait till the fall, my current car(96 Golf K2) is at 171,000 miles and seems to be coughing and on its last breath. Is there any pics or info out on these 2005 cars??
  • richards38richards38 Posts: 606
    Interesting, and I'll try it. Here's the recommended mirror setting:

    Safe driving aid
    Side mirrors adjustment

    Excerpts from National Safety Council on Safe Driving.

    Some of the most serious preventable accidents occur because of blind spots while driving! Now there is a remarkable simple solution discovered by an engineer named George Platter. He presented his method at the prestigious Society of Automotive Engineers.

    The National Safety Council tested his theory and discovered, to their amazement, that it works! The method has been fully endorsed by the National Safety Council as described in their September/October issue of Traffic Safety. Here’s how it works.

    First, forget how we learned to adjust our outside mirrors by plopping behind the steering wheel and turning the mirrors so that we just saw the side of our car looking back at us in the mirrors.

    Instead, adjust the driver’s side mirror by resting your head against the driver’s side window and then turning the mirror so that you just see the side of your car.

    Once this is set, move to the center of the vehicle and turn the passenger side mirror so that you can just see the side of your car from the center of the vehicle.

    That’s it. You won’t see your own car in either mirror, yet what you will see is far better. Cars behind you show up as usual in the inside rear-view mirror above the dash, but the instant the car leaves your field of vision from the rear-view mirror, the outside mirror picks it up. No blind spots; no delays; no wondering where that car about to pass you has disappeared to; and no waiting a few seconds for the car that you just saw in your rear-view mirror to show up in your outside mirrors.

    All three mirrors work in harmony with one another, and the blind spot has been eliminated!

    .........Richard
  • junepugjunepug Posts: 161
    I changed the mirrors on both our Highlander and Camry about 6 months ago and would not have it any other way. It was a bit difficult to adjust to. but it has helped me on interstate driving.

    I am sold on this idea!!!!!
  • gpoltgpolt Posts: 113
    What mekes you believe the 05 Accord will have updated front & rear? I thought Honda waits until the 4th year of a 5 year run like Toyota?
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I've seen some pics of the new Toyota, I dont remember where exactly. The front end was significantly freshened, with larger, more angular lamps that looked... well kinda like the '05 RL. I'm sure if you Google it you'll find it.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Actually, I didnt think that the Accord would receive a freshening for the 2005 MY, but the Honda loyalists who typically know a bit more than I about Hondas (but are bit brash and sometimes arrogant to disagree with) contend that there will be minor revisions, based on a videoclip thats circulating the Internet.

    ~alpha
  • bklynguybklynguy Posts: 275
    You may have seen pictures of the updated Asian Camry (with the exception of the taillights minus the lights in the trunk lid, our Camry will look different)

    new features/changes for the 05 Camry

    - 5 speed auto for 4 cylinder models
    - VSC available for 4 cylinder models
    - larger, 17 inch alloys wheels and tires on at least SE V6 which resemble a machine-finish version of the Solaras 17 inch wheel (which has a shiny finish)
    - covered center console bin (as compared to open on current)
    - Optitron instrumentation on all models
    - new light clusters within current design style of headlights
    - new grille and front bumper
    - new light clusters within current design style of taillights
    - 3.3L V6 available on Camry LE and Camry XLE (as compared to just SE currently) We're not sure if the 3.3L for the LE,XLE will be available this year
    - new steering wheel design with audio controls
    - rear seat gets center headrest
    - cassette player removed (optional?)
    - HVAC/audio controls look different
    - new exterior colors (2 or 3)
    - Tire Pressure Warning System
    - slightly different luggage lid
    - XM Radio ??? (available now on the Camry Solara)
    - no HID headlights (expected on the 07 Camry)
  • talon95talon95 Posts: 1,110
    The statements about an early refresh were based on a list of changes for 2005 that was apparently leaked from AH and posted briefly on the TOV site before being pulled at the request of AH.

    Anyway, the list made mention of changes to the backup lights. At the same time, a video regarding the new AWD system on the upcoming RL included an Accord in the same design family as the current NA Accord with mods to the current full width taillights. So some Accord folks are assuming that the Accord in the video shows the updated taillights. Of course, that remains to be seen.

    Hopefully that wasn't too brash and arrogant... you know how we Accord fans can be... ;)
  • markhootmarkhoot Posts: 23
    My Dad is buying a new car to replace his VW Passat that is killing him with repairs. He had a Camry previously and loved it, especially the reliability. He is torn between it and an Accord. Both are highly rated, but I see many more problems listed on this site in reference to the Accord than the Camry. Any thoughts?
    Thanks.

    Mark
  • snarkssnarks Posts: 207
    People only whine about their cars here not complment (human nature). Take that with a grain of salt. Lastly both cars are comparable in terms of reliability (very good) so he should choose what he likes more.
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