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Honda Accord vs Toyota Camry

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  • ricowizricowiz Posts: 8
    Good point alpha01. I did not realize the both cars were getting upgraded in the fall. I wonder if this will affect pricing??

    I may be able to pull it off and wait till the fall, my current car(96 Golf K2) is at 171,000 miles and seems to be coughing and on its last breath. Is there any pics or info out on these 2005 cars??
  • richards38richards38 Posts: 606
    Interesting, and I'll try it. Here's the recommended mirror setting:

    Safe driving aid
    Side mirrors adjustment

    Excerpts from National Safety Council on Safe Driving.

    Some of the most serious preventable accidents occur because of blind spots while driving! Now there is a remarkable simple solution discovered by an engineer named George Platter. He presented his method at the prestigious Society of Automotive Engineers.

    The National Safety Council tested his theory and discovered, to their amazement, that it works! The method has been fully endorsed by the National Safety Council as described in their September/October issue of Traffic Safety. Here’s how it works.

    First, forget how we learned to adjust our outside mirrors by plopping behind the steering wheel and turning the mirrors so that we just saw the side of our car looking back at us in the mirrors.

    Instead, adjust the driver’s side mirror by resting your head against the driver’s side window and then turning the mirror so that you just see the side of your car.

    Once this is set, move to the center of the vehicle and turn the passenger side mirror so that you can just see the side of your car from the center of the vehicle.

    That’s it. You won’t see your own car in either mirror, yet what you will see is far better. Cars behind you show up as usual in the inside rear-view mirror above the dash, but the instant the car leaves your field of vision from the rear-view mirror, the outside mirror picks it up. No blind spots; no delays; no wondering where that car about to pass you has disappeared to; and no waiting a few seconds for the car that you just saw in your rear-view mirror to show up in your outside mirrors.

    All three mirrors work in harmony with one another, and the blind spot has been eliminated!

    .........Richard
  • junepugjunepug Posts: 161
    I changed the mirrors on both our Highlander and Camry about 6 months ago and would not have it any other way. It was a bit difficult to adjust to. but it has helped me on interstate driving.

    I am sold on this idea!!!!!
  • gpoltgpolt Posts: 113
    What mekes you believe the 05 Accord will have updated front & rear? I thought Honda waits until the 4th year of a 5 year run like Toyota?
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I've seen some pics of the new Toyota, I dont remember where exactly. The front end was significantly freshened, with larger, more angular lamps that looked... well kinda like the '05 RL. I'm sure if you Google it you'll find it.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Actually, I didnt think that the Accord would receive a freshening for the 2005 MY, but the Honda loyalists who typically know a bit more than I about Hondas (but are bit brash and sometimes arrogant to disagree with) contend that there will be minor revisions, based on a videoclip thats circulating the Internet.

    ~alpha
  • bklynguybklynguy Posts: 275
    You may have seen pictures of the updated Asian Camry (with the exception of the taillights minus the lights in the trunk lid, our Camry will look different)

    new features/changes for the 05 Camry

    - 5 speed auto for 4 cylinder models
    - VSC available for 4 cylinder models
    - larger, 17 inch alloys wheels and tires on at least SE V6 which resemble a machine-finish version of the Solaras 17 inch wheel (which has a shiny finish)
    - covered center console bin (as compared to open on current)
    - Optitron instrumentation on all models
    - new light clusters within current design style of headlights
    - new grille and front bumper
    - new light clusters within current design style of taillights
    - 3.3L V6 available on Camry LE and Camry XLE (as compared to just SE currently) We're not sure if the 3.3L for the LE,XLE will be available this year
    - new steering wheel design with audio controls
    - rear seat gets center headrest
    - cassette player removed (optional?)
    - HVAC/audio controls look different
    - new exterior colors (2 or 3)
    - Tire Pressure Warning System
    - slightly different luggage lid
    - XM Radio ??? (available now on the Camry Solara)
    - no HID headlights (expected on the 07 Camry)
  • talon95talon95 Posts: 1,110
    The statements about an early refresh were based on a list of changes for 2005 that was apparently leaked from AH and posted briefly on the TOV site before being pulled at the request of AH.

    Anyway, the list made mention of changes to the backup lights. At the same time, a video regarding the new AWD system on the upcoming RL included an Accord in the same design family as the current NA Accord with mods to the current full width taillights. So some Accord folks are assuming that the Accord in the video shows the updated taillights. Of course, that remains to be seen.

    Hopefully that wasn't too brash and arrogant... you know how we Accord fans can be... ;)
  • markhootmarkhoot Posts: 23
    My Dad is buying a new car to replace his VW Passat that is killing him with repairs. He had a Camry previously and loved it, especially the reliability. He is torn between it and an Accord. Both are highly rated, but I see many more problems listed on this site in reference to the Accord than the Camry. Any thoughts?
    Thanks.

    Mark
  • snarkssnarks Posts: 207
    People only whine about their cars here not complment (human nature). Take that with a grain of salt. Lastly both cars are comparable in terms of reliability (very good) so he should choose what he likes more.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Either car should be a reliable, trouble free car, certainly worlds better than the VW. The Honda will be closer to the VW driving experience than the Camry though, and offers more hp. The Camry's (with the expection of the SE) 194hp 3.0L is very long in the tooth. The Solara convertible for this year is great though, Honda's got nothin like that.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    The Camry hasnt used the 192 hp version of the 3.0L V6 in over a year. That engine spec was phased out starting with January 2003 production. The version of that engine currently used is the VVTi engine, which offers a good deal more hp and torque than the 3.0L without.(In fact, it offers more torque at lower RPM than the Accord V6).

    The Camry LE/XLE V6 is rated at 210hp at 5800 RPM and 220 foot-pounds at 4400 RPM.

    Otherwise- I agree with snarks. Its hard to go wrong with either of these two, unless youre looking for "something different". Its a matter of preference.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I stand corrected. Apparently the 3.0L has been updated to ES300 tune, makes sense since the ES is now 330. Also, I wouldnt count out Maxima. Nissan's hard-chargin' 3.5L has significantly more power than both Honda and Toyota, and after sitting in a 3.5SL at the NY auto show, its actually pretty nice inside.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I dont count out the Maxima, although torque steer is a real issue even in automatic cars from what I understand, in FWD applications of the 3.5L VQ. Comparatively, Toyota's 3.3L offers 10 foot pounds less twist, but appears not to have torque steer in the ES and Camry SE V6. No offense, but both the Accord and Camry have better interiors at the 20K mark than does the Maxima, especially models with cloth seating, which is downright terrible. (The 2005 Altima is MUCH better in that respect.)

    That said, I dont want to get a slap on the wrist... this is after all, an Accord v. Camry thread.

    ~alpha
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Yeah Im with ya, I really like most of Nissan's recent designs, until I see the inside. I'm hoping that now that Nissan has managed to grab 4.5 Billion in profits, they will see fit to hire an interior designer or two. Maybe steal one from Audi.
  • I really liked my 2001 EX V6 Accord because of its crisp handling, good acceleration, and the open feel of the outside world. The new Accord feels much more closed in, and I have to admit, this is important to me. I read up on the SE v6 Camry, shot requests for quotes via Edmunds, and got one response for the only one they had from one dealer, for invoice minus $1000 rebate.

    My Accord needed brakes and tires for around $1500, and still had value in trade, so I figured now was a good time to look. I ended up buying the Camry, and I've had it one day.

    First impressions...much more stylish than the 2001 Accord. The one available was silver with dark charcoal cloth interior...not as luxurious as Honda's leather. But I like the metal trim on the panel and doors on the SE.

    Camry steering is looser, more Saab-like. I am suspending judgment to see if it grows on me, but for now, a negative point. In the Accord, I couldn't hear the stereo well due to acoustics and road noise, so the Camry sounds like a concert hall, another thing that is important to me. The Camry gives you more feel of the outside world than the new Accord, although a bit less than the old Accord. In the Camry the driver seems to be sitting a bit higher.

    Acceleration is great in the new Camry. I detect a bit of hesitation between my first push on the pedal and the response. I think I will learn to work with this, but it remains to be seen. The best integration between driver impulse and response I ever had was, believe it or not, on a 96 T-bird with the 4.6 v8. Neither the Accord nor the Camry matches that (FWD may have something to do with it as well), and the Camry seems a hair less responsive than the Accord, but I suspend judgement for the moment. I'll report back in a few, after the new car smell wears off.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    "Acceleration is great in the new Camry. I detect a bit of hesitation between my first push on the pedal and the response."

    The "hesitation" you are experiencing isnt really hesitation- its the fact that the throttle you depress with your foot is not mechanically linked to anything, as it was in your Thunderbird. Its all electronic, "drive by wire" technology.

    Keep us posted!
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    It just depends on what you're used to. I've driven the last generation Accord on occasion, and its gas pedal response was wierd to me. Extremely stiff, and just tapping it meant MOVE NOW. All of the Toyota products Ive driven over the years have had much smoother throttle response, where the real meat doesnt come on until the pedal is pushed a bit. This includes FWD, RWD, and AWD.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    The Camry gives you more feel of the outside world than the new Accord

    i thought that was one of the weak points of the camry - too much isolation.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    I think what he meant was that the Camry has a less-closed in feeling than the new Accord. Theres seemingly more glass area in the Camry, which affords a more panoramic view of the world around you. IMO, though, neither the Accord nor Camry excels in this area. I do know what doctorrocket speaks of though- when I drive the new Accord, positioned correctly, I feel great in the seat, and the controls (pedals, steering wheel) are also a good fit--- but the A pillar seems VERY close to me and somewhat blocks my vision.

    Dynamically, theres no doubt that the Accord achieves a better sense of driver involvement (at the expense of ride tranquility, which is the Camrys strong suit, even in SE guise).

    ~alpha
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