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Honda Accord vs Toyota Camry

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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Are you aware that there is now no longer such thing as a 2006 Accord DX? They have a MUCH better equipped Value Package, that is lightly sold. Most iterations are LX and up, all of which outhandle the Camry.

    I'm convinced having 4-wheel discs is overrated on all but the sportiest cars...

    I have two cars, a 1996 LX Accord (rear drums, no ABS) and a 2006 Accord EX I4 (rear discs, ABS, EBD). My 1996 Accord has the braking power to lock up the rear brakes on DRY surfaces, so what will discs offer other than better heat resistance after multi-high speed stops? Not much that I can tell. They also last a LONG time, as I have 160,000 miles on my original rear brake drums. (I feel I should say that My grandmother/I got 131,000 miles on the front discs; she drove 75 miles a day highway for the 120,000 miles she had the car).

    Discs don't do much for me, sorry. I say keep costs down and use rear drums, but keep the ABS and EBD.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    DX, VP... does it have stabilizer bar? Point remains.. NOPE. I disagree that all versions of the Accord outhandle the Camry, as well, and aside from the intrusive VSC, most accounts have praised the new Camry's handling... from here on edmunds.com to Car and Driver's review in the Mar. 06 issue.

    From the Edmunds.com review of the Camry V6 in relation to the Accord "It's too bad there's no way of disabling the stability control because the Camry feels like it could go quicker than the safety-minded engineers will allow. It feels at least as athletic as the Accord, but we'll never know. "

    I agree, if drums get the job done well enough, so be it. In most cases, though, the greater swept area afforded by rear discs can serve to provide better stopping power, especially in heavier vehicles ( your '96 weighs nowhere near the '06)....

    Then again, discs or drums, the current Accord isnt really known for braking power...hence...the Accord EX V6's rating of 'Poor' for Braking in the edmunds.com review...
    " noticeable amount of tire scratch coming into the cabin, as if the car was braking on a gravel road. By the third stop from 60 mph, the brakes were fading and beginning to smoke. "

    Ha! Given that abysmal write-up, maybe I just created a case for your DRUMS.

    ~alpha
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Yes, I'm aware, the weight difference is almost 400 pounds (I'm aware of it, but wasn't thinking when i wrote that; attribute it to the fact that its past my bedtime. :)
  • fsowirlesfsowirles Posts: 195
    Most iterations are LX and up, all of which outhandle the Camry.

    Are you comparing it to a 2004 Camry with blown shocks? :P I would put my SE V6 up against any stock Accord any day. Look at the skidpad and slalom numbers.

    The '07 Camry SE V6 did 0.83g and 63.6mph.

    The '04 EX-V6 Coupe with 215/50-17 Michelin Pilot HX MXM4 M+S did 0.81g and 63.9mph.

    That is a sedan against a coupe :surprise:
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    "I'm convinced having 4-wheel discs is overrated on all but the sportiest cars... "

    The usage of rear disc brakes in passenger cars is driven by the product planners not the engineers. For stopping on dry pavement, drums will work just fine. Discs offer some advantages when wet and react better to ABS but purely from a physics standpoint, drum brakes can do the job.

    Having said that, I will admit that that shiny rotor looks a lot better through the openings in an alloy when than the ugly drum. That's why I only buy cars with rear discs. ;)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Having said that, I will admit that that shiny rotor looks a lot better through the openings in an alloy when than the ugly drum.

    This is true :) . If you are an LX/LE buyer, you will not have alloys (a lot of people). Luckily for me, my LX has plastic covers over the drums and my EX has 4 discs for the alloys to show off.
  • seniorjoseseniorjose Posts: 277
    You may be mistaken, my 2005 Accord EX I4 has 4-wheel disc brakes and I am almost sure that the 2006 is the same.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    No, I clearly stated that my EX has disc brakes. It's my 1996 LX that I was referring to with drum brakes (and No ABS). I wasn't mistaken, you just mistook what I said. I'll work on clarity next time. LX = Drums, EX = Discs
  • njeraldnjerald Posts: 688
    It was clear enough for most people.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    When I've been working on my Newswriting all day, I wonder why I bother writing even more over here, because it wears me out!
  • ezshift5ezshift5 West coastPosts: 854
    ..

    .. I wonder why I bother writing even more over here, because it wears me out!

    ..well, we all have concerns....

    ..is it time for a Crown Royal yet?

    (somewhere the sun is over the yardarm)

    .ez.
    (USNR)
  • petlpetl Posts: 610
    Gibson's is pretty darn smooth. May not be available in the US.
  • ezshift5ezshift5 West coastPosts: 854
    ..Gibson's is pretty darn smooth.

    ..difficult for me to fathom (nautical, right?) anything smoother than Crown Royal. Well Done.

    ..ez..
  • petlpetl Posts: 610
    I am having a difficult time deciding between the Camry and RAV. In the old days, regardless which Toyota you selected, the 4cyl could tow 1,500lbs. and the 3,500lbs. with the 6cyl (my 2002 4cyl can tow 2,000lbs). It appears that has changed. Towing capacity with the new Avalon is only 1,000lbs. The brochure and web information does not specify any limits for the new Camry. That leads me to believe that towing capacities have decreased.

    I have not talked to any sales people yet. However, I have sat in the new Camry (nice vehicle). Unfortunately, the manual was not in the vehicle. If someone knows what the towing limits are, please let me know. I have a small fishing boat that weighs approx. 1,300lbs.

    When I visit my brother in-law it's Crown Royal, when he visits me it's Gibson's finest (even when we travel together, 3 weeks ago we each picked-up a bottle of our favourite at the duty free on our way down to Myrtle Beach). VO is not shaby either. It's usually a good time.
  • njeraldnjerald Posts: 688
    '07 Camry towing limit is 1,000 lbs.
  • rookie10rookie10 Posts: 2
    I'm a first time car buyer and I really don't know much about cars. I'm choosing between the 07 Camry XLE V6 and the 06 Accord EX V6, both automatic... Reliability, gas mileage, and control are very important to me... I'm also planning to get a navi in the car. I'd like a classier interior (one with less breakable plastic parts). Trunk space is also a plus. I've been reading some of the previous posts, but none seem to compare these higher models (probably cuz only people who don't know about cars buy them ;) ). But anyway, given those are my preferences, and given small conveniences or perks like heated seats(which i think are standard in those models) make me happy (but I won't pay more for accesories over whats standard), what car would you recommend?
  • suzeessuzees Posts: 22
    Well I went back and forth between the 07 XLE camry and the 06 EX-L Accord. The only thing different for me is that I was going to get the 4 cylinder. But, anyway, I think the dash in the Accord is very much nicer. I heard from a few other people on other forums that they thought the camry's buttons on the dash seemed cheap and they had issues with one or two buttoms that wanted to come off. I had a '02 camry prior. I really liked it, the ride was wonderful. But, I did go to the Accord; one reason is that I got more for the money. I wanted leather, xm, sunroof.. The camry would have been at least $2,000 more. The camry doesn't offer xm, but they do have bluetooth. The Accord isn't as smooth as a ride as the camry, but I think it handles the road very nice, it's very quiet, and overall, I think it's a very classy looking car. I'm happy with my purchase, and I'm sure you'll make a good choice for you, also.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Since you are comparing top-trim models, why not read over the Edmunds.com comparison test, in which the Camry XLE V6 and Accord EV V6 went head to head? You'll find some good commentary there, but again its only one organizations opinion.

    ~alpha
  • rookie10rookie10 Posts: 2
    i really appreciate the responses... I checked the comparison article and got some good information there. Suzees, im was just wondering what made you choose the 4 cylinder over the V6? gas mileage?
  • tinatinatinatina Posts: 388
    If you are only comparing those two vehicles with the trim levels, maybe pricing is as issue. You should be able to get a pretty good discount on the Accord V-6 versus the Camry V-6, if this is an issue (check out the prices paid threads for each vehicle). Interestingly enough, wben I went to my local dealership, they did not have any 4 cylinder Camry units in stock. They had five or six V-6s and they tried to sell me a $29,XXX XLE V-6 (basically loaded w/o NAV) for $26,XXX plus TTL. I don't know why they only had V-6s in stock, but I wonder if it has to do with gas prices going over $3.10 for the cheap stuff. Anyway, I plan on waiting another month or so, before buying the Camry. I will get the 4 cylinder since it has adequate power and gas prices are expected to reach $3.50 in my area.

    I agree with Suzees comments on the appearance of the dash being better in the Accord. The LE 4 Camry's dash looks cheap. I also like the Accord's gauges better.

    Anway, best of luck with whatever you chose, they are both great cars, so I won't push you to either one.
  • petomlinpetomlin Posts: 103
    Congratulations on choosing between two fine cars. I think the Accord will be more completely outfitted as standard than the Camry. I too am in the market right now for a car...but I digress. The best thing you have going for you is, no matter which car you choose, you will be able to sleep at night knowing your car has a serious amount of outstanding history behind it. Most likely you won't have any major problems with either one.

    What you need to do is simple. Go see them, feel them, drive them. Then pick the one you like best, knowing you've made a wise and satisfying choice. Now go have fun, and drive those cars! :D
  • petlpetl Posts: 610
    Thanks for the towing info. Is the 1,000lb limit for both the 4 and 6? This is not good, if it is.
  • njeraldnjerald Posts: 688
    Owner's manual makes no differentiation.
  • msisengmsiseng Posts: 369
    To those comparing the Accord and the Camry:

    Well, the 07 Camry has transmission and other issues. Look in the Edmunds.com Camry forums. The good news is that Toyota seems to be doing everything to make the customer happy including buying the vehicles back.

    I had issues with every Nissan/Infiniti that I ever bought. Nissan/infiniti never offered to do anything unless legally pressed. kudos to Toyota for being loyal to their customers.

    Never had major issues with a Honda or Lexus.

    For now, I would stick with the '06 Accord.
  • 107main107main Posts: 33
    I just returned from a several hundred mile drive in a 07 Camry 4cyl. I have driven many 06 Honda Accords in my job moving cars. My impression of the new Camry is not good. The whole inside looks cheap, knobs, seating material. Fit and finish are not that good. Toyota seems to be going for quanity over quality. The front end looks just like a Mazda 6, sort of ugly to me. The Camry drives OK, but is soft on suspension and wallows a bit. On the other hand, the Accord is more sport like in its drive. The interior is designed well and fit and finish is far ahead of the Camry.
    My opinion ot Toyota is that it is a GM type Company, but with one difference, it has customers. Honda seems content to sell cars, but not go for numbers like Toyota. Both have good vehicles, but I give the edge to Honda.
  • fsowirlesfsowirles Posts: 195
    he Camry drives OK, but is soft on suspension and wallows a bit. On the other hand, the Accord is more sport like in its drive.

    You obvioiusly did not drive an SE which is the only model meant for sportier driving.

    As for the rest of your criticisms, you are entitled to your opinions...but your GM comparison leads me to believe you are a Honda bigot.
  • tinatinatinatina Posts: 388
    They are both good cars. I only consider the LX Accord 4 and the LE 4 - auto though so my comments are limited to those two trim levels. In 6 cylinder versions, I think the new Camry is the better vehicle.

    With that said, I think the cloth interior of the Accord is better, as is the quality of the materials used for the interior, such as dash, buttons used, and seat. Others who post here agree, and some others who post here don't concur. The Accord's seats are really comfy compared to the previous version. The powertrain used in the 4 of the Accord is very good. No occassional hesitation/occassional hard shift like the 2000 Accord. Its the best auto tranny I ever owned so far. As far as handling, Edmunds in the 4 car test and the Altima preview indicate that the Accord's handling (at least in 6 cylinder version) is the best.

    Finally, I tend to shy away from first year models since fit and finish issues are generally higher.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Ohhh, I don't think we need to name-call here. Contrasting opinions of the vehicles are more than welcome. Opinions of other posters aren't what we're here to discuss.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Actually, what edmunds.com said regarding handling and the Camry v. Accord was that:

    "It's too bad there's no way of disabling the stability control because the Camry feels like it could go quicker than the safety-minded engineers will allow. It feels at least as athletic as the Accord, but we'll never know."

    Again, it comes back to intrusive VSC. But apparently, the vehicle lends a very confident feeling, if it feels "at least as athletic" as the Accord...

    ~alpha
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    Was there a sequence of key on/key off cycles and other things posted on the 2007 forum that disabled the VSC?
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