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Honda Accord vs Toyota Camry

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  • ecmfwecmfw Posts: 10
    I need to replace a tired '98 Accord V6 LX Coupe.

    I test drove both the '06 Accord V6 LX Coupe and the '07 Camry V6 XLE I disliked both of them.

    On the Accord, I hated the steeply raked windshield and the dashboard. The radio was much too large and complicated, and the air conditioning controls were too small and awkwardly placed to operate them by touch-and-feel while driving.

    On the Camry, I hated the styling of the front end, to me it was just butt ugly (the SE might be more acceptable however.) Also, the steering felt too numb.
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    There are MANY other choices out there.

    To name a few:
    Hyundai Sonata
    Nissan Altima
    Ford Fusion
    VW Passat
    VW Jetta
    Mazda6

    Visit the Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread, it's a great place to compare other sedans you may consider (although, there seems to be some tension in the forum lately)
  • djm2djm2 Posts: 705
    evilus:
    I find your performance test very interesting. The Chevrolet Impala is a bigger vehicle than the Accord. Suggestion; ---- why don't you try the same performance test, with your Accord and a Chevrolet Impala with the 5.3 V8? Then share the results with all of us on this board. I just took a test ride in the 5.3, and it is one very fast machine! The Accord would be eating it's dust! ---- Best regards. ---- Dwayne ;)
  • evilusevilus Posts: 5
    No thanks. I can't compare a V6 to a V8. It just wouldn't be fair. It would have to be a V8 to a V8 comparison and I don't think you'd let me compare your Impala 5.3 liter V8 with a Honda 183.1 cubic inch, 3.0 liter, V8. Just wouldn't be fair!
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I test drove both the '06 Accord V6 LX Coupe and the '07 Camry V6 XLE I disliked both of them.

    If you drove a Camry Sedan, why not an Accord sedan also?
  • master1master1 Posts: 340
    It seems like you don't want the Camry or Accord because of styling. The Accord is the best sedan right now, in my opinion because it is safe and reliable. The Camry is having transmission problems now so I wont recommend it. You might want to re-consider, but I'm not pushing you to.
    ;)
  • ecmfwecmfw Posts: 10
    Normally, I prefer a Coupe to a Sedan, but Toyota does not offer the new 3.5 V6 in the Solara yet. The Camry Sedan and Accord Coupe are roughly equal in curb weight.

    The '06 V6 Accord Sedan is so clearly inferior to the '07 V6 Camry that I do not see any reason to look at it. Check the Edmunds comparison test for details. I don't know - or care - how the 4 cylinder versions of the cars compare. The Accord is behind by a generation, and there is really no point to compare the cars until Honda comes out with a new generation Accord.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The '06 V6 Accord Sedan is so clearly inferior to the '07 V6 Camry that I do not see any reason to look at it.

    How is it "clearly inferior" to you, if I may ask? Because it is lacking things like keyless start? (I'm HONESTLY not trying to be THAT GUY that hounds you about a statement, I'm just curious as to why you think this, since I haven't driven the new Camry). The edmunds comparison test that I read had the cars less than one point apart, I believe. Not bad, considering a loaded EX-V6 Accord can be had for less than $24,000 now, versus $28k+ for the Camry. If money isn't a factor here, though, that may not be an issue (although I'd think if money weren't an issue you'd look into the feature-laden ES-350..$34k-$41k, especially since the styling of the ES is much better (no frumpy bumpy nose).

    Obviously, horsepower is important to you, or you wouldn't worry about the difference in the 244 HP Accord and the 225? horsepower in the Solara. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just trying to figure out what you're looking for, and for what reason the Accord doesn't fit that mold.

    Best wishes in the car hunt...

    thegrad
  • djm2djm2 Posts: 705
    Let's revisit this issue!

    The Honda Accord has a 3.0 V6 SOHC, 24 Valve, 244hp engine with a 5 speed automatic transmission.

    The Chevrolet Impala,(a larger vehicle), has the following options with regards to engines:

    1.) 5.3 V8, 16 valves, 303 hp, 4 speed automatic transmission.
    2.) 3.9 V6 12 valves, VVT, 233hp, 4 speed automatic transmission
    3.) 3.5 V6 12 valves, 211 hp, 4 speed automatic transmission

    Based on the vehicle size, and the number of speeds in the transmission, I think a performance test between the 5.3 Impala, and the V6 Accord would be fair! The v6 engines in the Impala,(a larger vehicle than the Accord), do not produce the same HP as the Honda V6. The Accord, being a smaller vehicle, with a higher V6 HP, has the advantage.----Best regards. ----Dwayne ;)
  • I recently test-drove both the 2006 Accord EX V-6 sedan and the 2007 Camry XLE V-6 sedan and came away favoring the latter. Both have plenty of low-end torque and get up to speed quickly, unlike their 4 cyl versions, but the Camry is much smoother and quieter in highway driving. The Accord transmits considerably more road and wind noise to the cabin, an important factor in long-term satisfaction. The Accord has slightly superior handling but not enough to make a significant difference in everyday driving. Quality of materials and workmanship appears comparable. I much prefer the Camry's styling, but that is a subjective issue. The Camry's stereo sounds better to me, too.

    So, am I going to buy the Camry? Yes, as soon as I can find the LE V6 version, which is scarce around here. All the bells and whistles on the XLE are not worth the (substantial) extra cost.
  • evilusevilus Posts: 5
    When you say larger, do you mean curb weight? Honda is only 275 pounds lighter than the Impala. That's not a very big difference.
  • ecmfwecmfw Posts: 10
    275 lbs is roughly 8%. This _is_ a significant difference.

    The old thumbrule from drag racing is that 400 lbs is worth 100 hp. However, that rule really does not work for cars in this weight and power range.

    The big problem for the V8 Impalas is cost. When optioned similar to an EX Accord, they end up over $30K. If you are going to spend that much money, you don't need to buy a Chevy or Honda.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    :) Before you do, i like honda and all so i actually recomend 3models to check out:

    The 280hp v6 Vw Passat. It has much more hp than accord and camry and weighs about the same and has available AWD. Only problem is $$.

    The 256 v6 from the 2007 Saturn Aura/ Pontiac g6. They're cheap, not so plasticky, and have humongus sunroofs

    The 253 hp Accord Hybrid. Has more power than the v6 and the mpg of the 4cyl on the highway (much better on city) only problem once again is price.

    Not telling you to get 1 but trying make sure you don't overlook the other sedans you may like.

    Avoid the midsize comparison forum because it is VERY (IN)TENSE in there!! :mad: It seems people have very stong opinons about that sonata.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    There is no reason to avoid that discussion. We welcome those who'd like to discuss any vehicle in this class - you mention several, but there are others up for discussion as well.

    Carlglover1 here's a link: Midsize Sedans Comparison Thread. Hope to see you there!
  • mitchfloridamitchflorida Posts: 419
    The freshened Honda Accord retained its position as Consumer Reports top-rated family sedan following a showdown between the Accord and the redesigned Toyota Camry for the August issue. The difference in scores is razor thin, and both vehicles are rated "Excellent" overall.

    Honda and Toyota have consistently set the standard for well- rounded, reliable family sedans with the Accord and the Camry. Along with the Volkswagen Passat, they regularly trade places as CR's top-rated family sedan.

    The Accord was named Consumer Reports' Top Pick in the family sedan category for 2006 in the magazine's Annual April Auto Issue.

    "The top-rated Accord is a refined and comfortable family sedan that offers a slightly sportier edge than its competitors," said David Champion, senior director of Consumer Reports' Auto Test Center in East Haddam, Connecticut.

    For the August issue, Consumer Reports pulled together a group of four family sedans and three large/luxury sedans for testing. CR purchased a V6 Honda Accord EX and three versions of the new Camry-a six-cylinder XLE, a Hybrid, and a four-cylinder LE. CR also purchased for testing a Hyundai Azera, Cadillac DTS, and Buick Lucerne.

    The Accord, Camry XLE, and Camry Hybrid all achieved "Excellent" overall scores in Consumer Reports' tests. The Camry LE received a "Very Good" overall score.

    Among the large sedans, the Hyundai Azera rated "Excellent" overall, coming in second place behind the previously-tested Toyota Avalon. The showing is one of the most impressive for a Hyundai in Consumer Reports testing during recent years. The Buick Lucerne, a replacement for both the LeSabre and Park Avenue, scored "Good" while the Cadillac DTS, an update of the DeVille, garnered a "Very Good" overall score.

    Full tests and ratings of the family and large sedans appear in the August issue of Consumer Reports, which goes on sale July 4. The complete report is also available to subscribers of http://www.ConsumerReports.org.

    Consumer Reports recommends four of the cars in this test group, the Accord EX, and all three trim lines of the Camry-the XLE, Hybrid, and LE. The Azera and Lucerne are new vehicles and so reliability is unknown. Reliability of the DeVille was below average; it remains to be seen what it will be for the DTS. Consumer Reports only recommends vehicles that have performed well in its tests, have at least average predicted reliability based on CR's Annual Car Reliability Survey of its own subscribers, and performed at least adequately if crash-tested or included in a government rollover test.

    The Accord combines sportiness and all-around capability, which helps it maintain its top rating among family sedans. The ride is pleasingly firm and handling is nimble with its standard electronic stability control. Road noise is CR's biggest complaint about this vehicle. The Accord EX ($27,850 Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price as tested) is powered by a 244-hp, 3.0-liter V6 that is smooth, quick, and relatively frugal, delivering 23 mpg overall in CR's own fuel economy tests. The five-speed automatic is smooth and responsive. The Accord's brakes perform very well.

    The Camry is capable, quiet, and well rounded in all three test versions but is not as exciting to drive as the Accord. Handling is sound, but not sporty; the ride is comfortable. All powertrains are refined and economical; the V6-powered XLE, the top-rated of the three, is very quick, while the Camry Hybrid combines good performance with impressive fuel economy-34 mpg overall. MSRPs for the Camrys varied from $21,080 for the LE to $29,839 for the XLE, and $30,677 for the Hybrid. The brakes on the XLE and LE trim lines perform very well. Braking distances were somewhat longer on the hybrid version.
  • master1master1 Posts: 340
    Are you asking a question or just comparing?
  • reverbreverb Posts: 3
    I test drove the two cars on the same day, first an 07 Camry LE V6 and immediately after an 06 Accord EX.

    The Camry with its 268 horses (6 speed automatic) is quiet, getting up to 75-80mph rather quickly and without effort. The clutchless shifting responds just as well as my 00 Passat 1.8T Triptronic, with the exception of an extra gear [oddly 5th gear responded about the same as 6th gear, and in retrospect, I wonder if the 6th gear is actually needed?]. The ride is smooth, almost too smooth, with a luxury-type quality (which the "parent-in-you" or "grandparent-in-you" would enjoy) - no offense.

    The Accord didn't struggle in terms of acceleration or cruising speed of 75mph. Though it would be nice if Honda could keep up with the Jones' and increase HP and Torque by about 25 and 40 respectively. The ride is different. It's comfortable, and yet it feels like a sports car (which "kid-in-you" would enjoy).

    The acceleration and speed are about the same, but I would give advantage to the new Camry.

    However, comparing the ride/handling is like comparing apples and oranges. I'm still trying to locate a Toyota dealer with 07 Camry SE V6 to see how its sport tuned suspension compares with the Accord. Also, I haven't tested the 6MT-Accord.

    If price is a factor, then a EX V6 Navi is hands-down more cost effective, not to mention the $750 cash to dealer incentive which drops the car markedly below invoice (I'm in southern California).

    (1 cent) + (1 cent)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Nice short-take on these two cars. How much was the LE-V6 listed for, may I ask? I really don't know how much those go for anymore; while I know the EX-V6 goes for around $24k without NAV.
  • ecmfwecmfw Posts: 10
    Your price information for the Accord EX V6 is way off.
    Invoice is $24.5K, and MSRP is over $27K. The Hondas I looked at had between $0.5K and $2.5K in additional dealer-installed junk on them. The Camrys did not.

    http://www.edmunds.com/new/2007/toyota/camry/100699458/prices.html

    http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/honda/accord/100640408/options.html?action=1&x=1- 01&y=23
  • blindmantooblindmantoo Posts: 139
    I drove the Accord V6 EX Auto & 6sp Manual (several times), then immediately after one of the test drives, drove a '07 Camry V6 XLE & SE. My wife, who usually can't tell the difference between cars, said the Accord wasn't even close to the refinement of the Camry SE. (We do like Hondas - just got rid of an old Accord and own an '05 Odyssey). We were only looking at vehicles w/ NAV (and have it on the Oddy).

    In a nutshell, we ordered a loaded V6SE w/ NAV and have no regrets. If you shop carefully you can get pretty close on price. The Honda quote was right at invoice, and the Camry (leather pkg, moonroof pkg, XM, NAV, Stability/Traction, mats) was $27,840. The stereo sound quality in the Camry is much better (even than the upgraded one in the 6sp manual Accord). As a bonus, you end up w/ a '07 vs '06 (a few bucks at trade-in time).
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    Actually, he may be right on. According to the Accord Prices Paid forum, new Accords are selling at or below invoice right now. Some dealers add things, some do not.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Thank you...that's EXACTLY where I was coming from. As for "dealer-installed junk", none of the Accords I test-drove had any on them. It's particular to which dealers you shop at.
  • louisnlouisn Posts: 110
    FYI-The Accord EX-L 6 cylinder-MSRP 27,850- can be bought for hundreds less than 24,000 by an astute buyer. I saw one advertised in Chicago for 23,200--great value.
  • tinatinatinatina Posts: 388
    Thegraduate is right on pricing as are you regarding the Accord - just check out the pricing thread - versus the Camry, which has no incentives. If I remember correctly, I could have purchased a 2007 Camry LE v-6 with floor mats for $21,XXX and some change (no leather, sunroof). So, comparing the EX-V6 Accord to the LE V-6 may not be fair (differing trims). As far as dealer junk/add-ons, that varies from dealer to dealer -so you may have to bargain. With my recent purchase, the add-ons, such as the wheel locks, mud guards, door guards, were included with the price.
  • godeacsgodeacs Posts: 481
    "Operative" word is one! And I bet that "one" disappeared real fast when someone went to the dealer to see. Here in San Antonio, prices are around $25,600. Mmmm, maybe there are no "astute" buyers here in TX...... :confuse:
  • princess1princess1 Posts: 5
    If you have a Costco card (if not get one before you buy) try going through their auto buying program. I did for my Accord and saved quite a bit.
  • legarlegar Posts: 71
    Just got my new Accord and its great. The new Camry is nice especially the SE version. Unfortunetly Camrys are comfortable but boring cars. Where I live they dont even offer a 6-speed manual for any of the Camrys, only autos. The Accord is clearly the drivers choice, and the Camry is for commuting.
  • jacob68jacob68 Posts: 3
    I just wanted to know how much you paid for the car & what is a auto buying program
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,756
    No Camry V6 is available anywhere in the US with a manual tranny.
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