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Oldsmobile Alero



  • ozznetozznet Posts: 81
    Just in case I can't find a 02 Intrigue. Just exploring my options. Also maybe a Grand Prix.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Intrigue is a better car over all as it should be since it's more expensive. The 3.5L twin cam in the Intrigue is worth the extra $$ IMO. It's one of the best V6 motors made for a mid-size sedan.
  • shanianshanian Posts: 26
    Any comments on the front headroom in the Alero? Also how many have actually used it to haul 4 adults?
    I have an 02 GL 4 cyl with about 14K miles, no unscheduled visits so far, only oil changes.
    It has been quite rattle free, and would have been a great commute car which was the reason for opting for the 4cyl., but now I have joined a carpool and have to drive only 1-2 times a week, but with 4 peeps. So have been using my Intrigue for this duty which is my wife's car.
    Since she has been used to the Intrigue, she does not care for the Alero.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    I don't own an Alero, but can comment on rear seats in a four door sedan we rented on vacation last year. The rear seating position seemed to be very low in the car, such that my college age average height son looked like he was ten years old again, he sat so low. It was not particularly comfortable. The front seats seemed fine, however all of our family is average height or less.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Rear seats are not great for adults much over 5'8 in my opinion. We have a 2 year old daughter that sits back there in ours, but I have never sat back there for more than 30 seconds. It's not the worst car for 4 adults, but the Malibu <for example> has more leg room.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    "The 3.5L twin cam in the Intrigue is worth the extra $$ IMO. It's one of the best V6 motors made for a mid-size sedan."

    worth the extra dollars.......I think so also....see now if we had the option of getting it in the other GM cars like Impala, Regal, Grand Prix..........

    really my 3800 *bashing* is just a point I'm trying to make about the fact that yes, the 3800 is a decent motor, but look, you may just like the values of the DOHC shortstar more. Why not offer this goodness to more folks in more of GM's cars? Why would anyone NOT want to put it in the GP, etc? Give people the choice to decide and let them drive it side by side and make their decision upon actually driving it....not just saying, 'the 3800 is fine, I don't need anything newer and neither do the rest of you'.

    I'd bet others would think so to if they had the option of getting it. I'd bet that 70% or more of folks would opt for the Shortstar over the 3800 if given the choice.

    Too bad the Shortstar was dropped. They could have continued production on it for some of GM's other cars.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    It was prohibitively expensive to get the 3.5L up to new emission standards. That's the main reason it was killed. Apparently it was also too expensive to build vs other GM DOHC V6 motors that were in the pipes and will be coming next year like the new 3.6L
  • My 99 Alero GL has been running flawlessly, despite that I bought it used. The only thing that bothers me is an occassional rattle emanating from under the hood whenever the vehicle idles at a stop light. This doesn't happen often but when it does, its more annoying than anything. I've tried to feel around for loose wiring but nothing moves. Any thoughts?

    To answer some of the questions regarding long start times, I use a synthetic blend oil and the start time is the same as when I first bought it at 19K. The car is approaching 60K and the lube shop I took it to accidently put standard oil in the engine. Boy, I could tell instantly that something wasn't right. After making them drain it and replacing it with Synthetic blend, it turned over beautifully. A couple extra bucks well worth spending.

  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    well lets hope the 3.6L and 3.2L variants of this new global engine are made available in many GM offerings because people deserve the choice to be able to get something besides the pushrod options.

    Expense is not an issue if all competitors have it standard or available as an option.
  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    Expensive is everything: ever wondered why there's no Civic V6 and a Camry V6 nears $30G?
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    Intrigues sold cash out the door for the same prices as Impalas, Grand Prixs and Regals. Tauruses with Duratecs sell cheaper than Grand Ams. Intrepids sell as cheap or cheaper than the Wcars. Stratus fully loaded goes cheaper than Grand Am and has DOHC to boot.

    Competition churns out OHC competitors like clockwork that meet or exceed the GM competition for equal and less real, out the door prices.

    Civic don't need a v6....too small. Cavalier don't have a v6 either.

    people deserve the choice to have the option but GM doesn't give it to them and the loyalists are conned into thinking the choice would have no benefit to the consumer because they think everyone should like GM no matter what motor is under the hood. The other majority of the market doesn't agree. No choice, no sale. Only thing driving the sale is 'how much is my rebate?'

    The Camry gets 30g not because of its content, but because people are stupid enough to pay that much for them. They get it because they can, not because they have to charge it. The extra refinement in the powertrain makes it seem worth so much more. But mostly its because of reliability legends.

    Loyal GM fans like dindak even pop for the Alero and Intrigue with the OHC motors.......dindak has even said he chose the OHC mill in his Intrigue.
  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    The Civic may be too small, but it sells for a V6 Alero or Grand Am. I don't care that about the OHC and the VVT in that measly I4: I take the toquey OHV V6 anyday.

    Bottom line is that the cost of the engine has to come from something else. The Duratech retails $1000 more than the OHV. Look inside a Taurus and it's easy to figure out where it came from. The same can be said about the Stratus (I had one until 6 months ago).

    Just don't get me wrong, I do like the Shortstar (I'm leaving to check on an Intrigue '99 momentarily). However, I'd rather have an OHV V6 in a car loaded with amenities than an OHC V6 in a car without TC, ABS, leather, etc (sounds like a Japanese car, doesn't it?).

    Bottom line is that I'm glad that there's no such thing as an I4 on a Grand Prix or Impala, unlike many of their competitors. On the other hand, I miss the parting of the Intrigue...
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    I understand your point about similar priced cars having OHC motors, but are they really that good? Take the Stratus, while it has a DOHC V6, it's no smoother nor does it perform any better than the 3400 V6 in the Alero/Grand Am. While us "car buffs" may prefer the added refinement and high end power of a DOHC engine, the typical midside car buyer probably wouldn't care if there was a vacumm cleaner under the hood of their car.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Reg : I like my 3.5L Shortstar, but I would go back to a pushrod. My mom has a 3.4L Alero and its a rocket, I love it. The car we had before with the 3.8 was flawless, smooth and efficient (till the car got totalled). Like oldsman said, most people haven't got a clue what's under the hood aside from a V6. YOU mite car, I mite care, 80%+ of the population does not. As for cost, ohv engines are cheaper to build and that's why a V6 Malibu or even a Impala / Grand Prix cost the same as a 4 cyl Accord.
  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    From the sounds of it the 3.6L will not even be standard on the base CTS model! LOL
    I think people prefer the feel of DOHC, why else would so many OHV equipped cars end up relegated to rental cars and not regular sales.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    "The Duratech retails $1000 more than the OHV. Look inside a Taurus and it's easy to figure out where it came from."

    1000 bucks well spent and its still cheaper than the Impala. FULLY loaded Taurus for under 20 grand. The Taurus ain't too bad on the inside. It's nicer than the Alero, and most certainly the Regal, and Grand Prix, and Grand Am, and Century, and Malibu and (insert GM car here, need I go on). I'd bet some people spend more for loaded Grand Ams than Tauruses too which is a bigger tragedy.

    "that's why a V6 Malibu or even a Impala / Grand Prix cost the same as a 4 cyl Accord"

    some folks on this web site and in the auto journalism world have gone on record saying they prefer the tech 4 cylinder to the antiquated v6.

    Go drive a 4 cylinder Altima, Camry, or Accord and then a Malibu or OHV Taurus and tell me which is preferred. i think you would be quite surprised at how many folks would opt for the 4 cylinder. That Altima 4 has get up and go and is quite a willing partner. its pretty smooth too and not noisy. I know the Accord and Camry 4's are quite good too. A coarse 6 is not always better than a good 4. Go drive an A4 or Passat, that 4 cylinder is pretty good too.

    Hey vcjumper, is that true about the CTS? LOL! What's the deal are they gonna have the pushrod 3.4 as the base engine?!?! Or the 3800!?! ROTFLMAO.

    As far as the 'the other 80%', those will always be those folks who only care about cupholders and how wide the seat is for their big butts. Thing is, if they drove the 2 side by side they would notice the difference and make a choice based upon it.

    As far as Civics being the price of a Grand Am, I dunno about that. I can lease a new civic automatic right now with almost nothing down for 139 a month. I don't think the General could part with an Alero for 139 a month. I see ads for cheap Aleros right now but that is only because of these crazy Olds discounts and loyalty rebates. I would defintely rather spend my money on something like a Protege ES or P5 before I got an Alero.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    I think you need to go shopping with a few average people and see what they look at in a car. Examples : My mother in law wanted good cup holders, good seats and a reliable car (but has no idea what's under the hood). Our neighbor wanted an SUV with "lots of towing power". He got a "V8" in his explorer. The lady that sits next to me at work wanted "a basic 4 cyl car with a good CD player and A/C". Only car enthusiasts care about details of what's under the hood. Driving a 3.8L next to my 3.5L DOHC in the city actually looks bad as the 3.8L is much quicker off the line. Even my wife mentioned that when we took our Intrigue out for the first time.

    I would totally buy a 4 cyl Accord over a V6 BUT, I'd take a 3.8L V6 (and hopefully the 3.5L in the 04 Bu) over a 4 cyl Accord anyday.
  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    I've driven a '00 Taurus yesterday and does it look cheap. I tried a '97 Regal right before it and the Buick had much better fitting and NO hard plastic.

    I've had a '99 Alero V6 and that old OHV smoked any 3-series BMW up to the 2.8l I6. I couldn't care less what the manufacturer's parrots, I mean, the "specialized" press says. They don't buy my cars, I do.

    Yes, I miss the loss of wind of OHV designs on the highway, but it's a problem that the SC 3.8 doesn't have, yet it's still an OHV. Fine with me. Yet, the supercharged 3.8 is cheaper to make than the remarkable 3.5 DOHC.

    What matters to me is the bottom line. Anything else is nothing but fetish... ;-)
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    "Yet, the supercharged 3.8 is cheaper to make than the remarkable 3.5 DOHC"

    show me the proof of this. Do you have internal GM documents to suggest this?

    a 97 Regal is truly a heinous looking piece and the current one has an attractive exterior but the interior on the current one is criminally bad as well.

    The Alero is way nicer on the inside than the Regal.
  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    Take it FWIW or do your own homework yourself.
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