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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    You commented on liking the C7 in Edmunds' fleet, with the black wheels when I said I didn't like them.

    Funny, looking at the standard silver-painted-finish wheel on the first C7 I saw in person, this morning, I was actually thinking I might like the black wheels on the dark green car. I detest that screaming-yellow paint on anything though. The best thing I can say about it is nobody will probably run into you, it's so visible.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,260
    I wonder what other colors are available?

    I like the shape of the wheels.
    I like wheels that are chromed.
    I like wheels that have tires thicker than a rubber band.

    I realize I'm not the trendy buyer driven by testosterone to have the latest and greatest no matter how flawed the tire craze is in the end.
    I realized that when the 3 Cadillacs under camouflage were at the local Speedway many months ago and one of them had black wheels much like those on this Z06.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,854
    I realized that when the 3 Cadillacs under camouflage were at the local Speedway many months ago and one of them had black wheels much like those on this Z06.

    Hmmm...testing the next CTS-V perhaps??
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,260

    I see that the ELR's are being shipped by Cadillac.

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,260

    Buick sales of 1M tops 1984 record set before China entry

    GM’s total sales rose in China last 11 percent to 3.16 million while U.S. sales gained 7.3 percent to 2.6 million. The automaker has said it plans to release its total global sales later this month.

    From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140108/AUTO0103/301080069#ixzz2ppC0dEuN

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494

    Holy....well, you know.

    I'm typically not a Sting Ray fan, but that thing looks like it rolled out of St. Louis yesterday...better, actually. A lot of the big scoops and such had been removed by the time the '67 came around, a good thing IMHO. A guy I met near here who is the original owner of a '67 said he was disappointed when his came in, that the hole to grab through above the glovebox was taken out of the '67's...cost savings hard to pass on apparently!

    I liked those five-slot Rally Wheels, but when they began to offer the identical wheel on most every lesser Chevy, even Novas, it watered down the appeal IMHO. Later, they made the Rally Wheels NLA on big Chevys, and the five-slot wheel was used on the Monte Carlo, but Chevelles and Novas used a different style Rally Wheel..a good idea I think.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,050

    Oh Lord, now every owner of a '67 Corvette will think their car is worth millions---only to be sorely disappointed to say the least....they only made 20 of this particular car with the L88 option, and if you add all the other options, it's probably the only one they made like this.

    when you have rarity + power + good looks, that's what adds up and differentiates this car from the common 67s.

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 5,659

    @MrShift@Edmunds said: Oh Lord, now every owner of a '67 Corvette will think their car is worth millions---only to be sorely disappointed to say the least....they only made 20 of this particular car with the L88 option, and if you add all the other options, it's probably the only one they made like this.

    when you have rarity + power + good looks, that's what adds up and differentiates this car from the common 67s.

    nyc's dad has a '67 Corvette that they are getting ready to freshen up. While I doubt it will pull that kind of money, it should be worth a pretty penny when it's all done.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,260

    @MrShift@Edmunds they only made 20 of this particular car with the L88 option, and if you add all the other options, it's probably the only one they made like this.

    Other options distinguishing it from the other 19 L88's: It’s equipped with the C48 Heater Defrost Delete, F41 Special Front and Rear Suspension, G81 Positraction Rear Axle, J50 Vacuum Power Brakes, J56 Special Heavy Duty Brakes, K66 Transistor Ignition, L88 427 ci (7 liter) engine good for a (factory rated) 430 horsepower, and the M22 Heavy Duty close-ratio 4 speed transmission. In addition, it also has the RPO A85 shoulder belts as well as another important feature that sets this L88 apart — the special-order rear end ratio of 4.56:1, which is the rear end of choice for drag racing; most other 1967 L88 came with the 4:11 rear end more suitable to road racing. The car was restored by the renowned Nabers Brothers of Houston and is fully documented.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,050

    @Michaell@Edmunds said: nyc's dad has a '67 Corvette that they are getting ready to freshen up. While I doubt it will pull that kind of money, it should be worth a pretty penny when it's all done.

    Depends on the engine, matching #s and documentation. Actually most 67s have been steadily dropping in value since 2007 or so and are only recently on an uptick again.

    Also heads up on capital gains taxes.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,260
    edited January 30

    GM is back at the Super Bowl with an ad. It's a very hearty love tale about a rancher, his Silverado, and a trailer taking a bull he purchased to meet a herd of eligible cows.

    Click on photo to initial video:

    YouTube location:

  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,851

    "In a smart move, Cadillac offers the Vsport sedan in a version that trades some luxury froufrou for lavish mechanicals and bracing performance.

    Simply choose the Performance edition. Pay $59,995 out the door, and you’ll get a luxury sport sedan that’s more satisfying to drive than any comparable Audi A6, BMW 5 Series or Mercedes E-Class."

    CTS Vsport: The BMW Beater (nytimes.com)

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,260
    edited February 9

    Different advertising tone: Cadillac ELR First ad for a Cadillac electric.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGJSI48gkFc

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,050
    edited February 9

    A plush Volt? Guy sounds like a sure thing heart attack victim. This ad is kind of strange, as it seems to be bragging about an innovation that has already happened in someone else's back yard.

    I do get the point though, Innovation is still one of the things the USA does best. But really, this car is old news.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,260
    edited February 12

    Sinkhole claims 8 Corvette at Museum.

    1962 black Corvette
    1984 PPG pace car
    1992 white 1 millionth Corvette
    1993 ruby red 40th anniversary Corvette
    1993 ZR-1 Spyder on loan from General Motors
    2001 Mallett Hammer Z06 Corvette
    2009 white 1.5 millionth Corvette
    2009 ZR1 "Blue Devil" on loan from General Motors
    

    Emergency personnel allowed museum staff to remove only one car in the Sky Dome, the only surviving 1983 Corvette, he said. It had not fallen in the hole.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/12/corvette-museum-sinkhole/5417171/

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,050

    And the engineers who approved this building were where exactly?

    Anyway, I'm sure these cars can be fixed up good as new.

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  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,854

    @MrShift@Edmunds said: And the engineers who approved this building were where exactly?

    Anyway, I'm sure these cars can be fixed up good as new.

    It's a 20 year old building so I'm guessing dead or working on another project.

    According to the article, the geology of central Kentucky is know for sinkholes and new cave formation.

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,574
    edited February 14

    @MrShift@Edmunds said: And the engineers who approved this building were where exactly?

    Anyway, I'm sure these cars can be fixed up good as new.

    I hope that they aren't the same engineers who signed off on the Museum's new road course; our BMW Club is conducting a DE there in October...

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  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,574

    I've always been fond of the General's 1973 attempts to build European style sport sedans. Car and Driver recently singled out Pontiac's Grand Am as a bargain collector car- I even like the patriotic pinstriping:

    Road and Track likes the Hurst/Olds Cutlass of the same vintage:

    A LOT of fun for just $18,000!

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,050

    If memory serves me, what the domestics did to make a car "euro" was stiffen it up, and this worked (somewhat) on flat level roads and turns--but pushing these cars quickly fried the brakes and exhausted the suspension, and on irregular roads you started to pogo-stick all over the place. I don't think domestic cars got even remotely "euro" in handling until the 1990s.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494

    And like them or not, the Monte Carlo and Cutlass Salon came with radials standard and thick sway bars for good handling, particularly in that time. Both came out in '73 with the handling features.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,050

    Well "good" relative to what came before, point taken, but as this video shows, the thing wallows like a whale and nose dives likes a submarine. And yeah, it has the handling package.

    http://testdrivejunkie.com/1973-oldsmobile-cutlass-test-drive/

    But you know, American drivers interpreted the word "handling" differently than they do today I think. They heard "handling" but they thought "nice smooth ride". I think GM was giving buyers what they wanted at that time, not what European drivers wanted. It would take more Americans driving Mercedes and BMW sedans for another decade before they figured out what "handling" really meant.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,574
    edited February 14

    Well, Road & Track stated that-given a wide enough road-the 1973 Monte Carlo could keep up with a contemporary Bavaria or XJ6. I actually owned a new 1974 Monte Carlo(my father wouldn't co-sign for anything too exotic) and that R&T article played a major part in my decision. I went with stiffer shocks after a year or so and the handling became more than acceptable. The Monte was my first and last GM car(not counting the 1984 Skylark T-Type my wife owned when we married) but I have to say that it wasn't a bad car for it's time- and I ended up keeping it for fifteen years.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited February 15

    That Cutlass S is a base model, and may have had the sports suspension package, but I am nearly certain it doesn't have radials--much as the Chevelle SS that year did not, even though it had stiffer suspension. Only the Monte Carlo, Cutlass Salon, and Grand Am of the midsize cars had it that year. Even the basic GM intermediates were far-better in terms of handling compared to their similarly-priced competition--any of the mag road test reviews of the day will confirm this.

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited February 15

    Another "Euro"-style option introduced on the Cutlass Salon and Grand Am that year were four-door sedans with bucket seats and console. Prior to that at GM, only coupes and convertibles could be had with bucket seats and console. The seats in the Salon reclined; not sure about the Grand Am.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,050

    Neither a Bavaria or an XJ6 would be anything to brag about---try a 2002 and see that Cutlass fly into a ditch. You can add tons of stuff to 70s domestics and make them handle, but you wouldn't actually want to drive it on the street. I mean, that's what NASCAR did. From the factory, stock, American cars from the 70s handle like your mom's couch.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494

    Well, you couldn't put six into a 2002, either, and get it routinely serviced as cheaply. It's all relative. I don't think Olds was marketing a Cutlass Salon against a BMW, merely providing an attractive 'hybrid' of the two.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,050

    The demands of the American driver for braking and handling weren't very enthusiastic, so yeah, the D3 gave most people what they wanted. Things like nose-diving, unsprung weight, massive overhang, and fuel economy were hardly thought of, and in fact lots of oversteer was considered, quite correctly, to be safer for big cars. The cars were built for our roads and our drivers, not Italians.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,574

    @MrShift@Edmunds said: Neither a Bavaria or an XJ6 would be anything to brag about---try a 2002 and see that Cutlass fly into a ditch. You can add tons of stuff to 70s domestics and make them handle, but you wouldn't actually want to drive it on the street. I mean, that's what NASCAR did. From the factory, stock, American cars from the 70s handle like your mom's couch.

    Sorry, but I have owned a Bavaria and currently own a 2002(both with stock suspensions save Bilstein HDs); while a Bavaria gave up a bit of agility to the '02, at an HPDE the ability of the driver dictated who gave the point-by.

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