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  • mantagmantag Posts: 47
    Well, folks, hate to see my merlot mica baby go , but.... my goal was to sell before it hit 100k. right now it has 97,700 on it. new yokohama 225/55/16 V's tires/battery/hoses/brakes. put around $1500 into car with the tires/polished alum wheels, gold pkg,door visors. asking $9500. check it out on autotrader.com use 20876 as my zip code here in maryland. never had any engine problems like others have mentioned.
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    Richard,

    wind deflector was under $50, and took me 15 minutes to install. I can go up to 70-75 with my sunroof completely open. It works.
    When the sunroof is closed, above 65 or so (I do 85-90, on highways that I know, with radar detector) there is some wistle from it, but not too bad. Money well spent.

    I also got mudflaps (installed "free" at the dealer before delivery).

    I am kind of still looking for something similar to your acceleration problem, but to no avail so far...

    Hope this helps -

    Tomek
  • herndonsherndons Posts: 17
    Hello all
    Finally, I have some insight into my problem. I purchased a used 95 Millenia 2.5L earlier this year. The car had alot of problems when I bought but got it to almost new condition. The engine was replaced right before I purchased it and had only 40k miles on it. However, it did have a bad head which I promptly replaced. After that, the car was great. However, I had this vibration when I accelerated. I have about 93k miles now. I thought is was as a result of all the work done to the car.
    However, the vibration while accelerating didn't happen all the time. Just occasionally. Mostly after a California stop. Then, I noticed it was more intense when I had the AC on. So I thought, this couldn't be something mechanical because it occurred only occasionally. Then I thought of the TCS which I've read has cause many problems in Millenias. I switched it off and voila, NO TRANSMISSION VIBRATION!!!!! I was ecstatic! Then I went to the town hall yesterday and noticed that others had it. For a 2000 Millenia to have it definitely shows a flaw in the Mazda TCS system. Man, You would think they would have gotten it right after 6 years. Problem solved. Still have a clunky transmission though. Another Millenia drawback. Anybody out there have any insight on permanently disabling TCS?
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    Herndons,

    you're talking about 95 Millenia, Richard has 2001 Millenia S. DIFFERENT engine, DIFFERENT transmission.

    I have 2001 S and no sign of this (elusive) problem.
    Just my $0.02.

    Tomek
  • sreyemsreyem Posts: 9
    I just saw a 2000 Millenia with the Miller-Cycle engine (is that the Millenium Edition or the S?), Executive demo- whatever that means (6k miles), blk w/grey lthr, 17inch chrome wheels. discounted 10k (originally $32,500).

    I'm sure I could get them down even more. Is this something worth looking into? I'm a newbie to the Millenia, but not to Mazda. Any reliability issues? How long (miles) could I expect it to last?

    Any help- non-biased :) would be greatly appreciated as I may go in tonight or tomorrow to have a look.

    Thanks!
  • jstandeferjstandefer Posts: 805
    That Millenia you are looking at is an "S" model, not the Millenium Edition. The Millenium Edition was painted either Highlight Silver or Millenium Red and had the dark charcoal interior with synthetic suede seats and leather wrapped gear selector and parking brake handle.

    Execute demo means either a dealership manager used it as a "demo", or a Mazda corporate employee used it as a "demo" (the latter is called a "Brass Hat"). $22,500 is too high for that car. There is a $4,000 rebate on the 2001 models, plus discounts usually amounting to $2,000. That means you can pick up a brand new 2001 Millenia S for just a couple of thousand more. A more fair price would be between $20,000 and $20,500. Remember, this vehicle is in actuality a used car except for the fact that it hasn't been registered yet.

    In terms of reliability, the Millenia S is an excellent car. You should easily get 150,000+ miles out of it without any major problems. Of course, you must keep-up maintenance on the vehicle. The supercharger and valve train are quite sensitive to oil quality. Do realize that maintenance is quite expensive on this car, particularly spark plug and timing belt changes. It is a drawback, but the 2.3L Miller-Cycle V6 is a marvel of engineering and is about as refined as you can get.
  • sreyemsreyem Posts: 9
    The sales guy (I know, their product knowledge is usually "sub-par"- to be polite) said that this engine makes 260hp. I thought it only made 210. Am I mistaken?

    I'm familiar with caring for turbos, but don't know much about supercharged engines. Is there any special care that needs to be taken with them, and should I be concerned about whether those 6k miles were 6k "hard" miles?

    Thanks for your quick reply. I really appreciate it.
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    It's 210 BHP, 210 torque.

    Oil change should've been performed at 3K-5K miles.

    I've bought 2001 S brand new (sticker 32.5) for $26K six weeks ago.

    Hope this helps,

    Tomek
  • csuftitanscsuftitans Posts: 215
    Brian, for a couple thousands more, I would get the new 2001 Milenia. Many improvements were done to the car this past year, please take a look and test drive it before you buy the 2000 Millenia S. I know it cost more, but if you can qualify for Mazda 4.9% APR or even the 0% APR, you will ended up paying about the same. I don't think this rate is available on a used/demo car.

    cheers
  • rkchiourkchiou Posts: 8
    Tomek,

    Was it easy to install the wind deflector? Did you have to drill holes?

    BTW, my car is running better and quicker. I guess more mileage has helped "break in" the car. In addition, I did not have to use the A/C last week and I think that made a difference. Do you have some pictures of your car with wind deflector and mud flaps? I would like to see them. I plan to take pictures of my car this weekend and will post the link here sometime next week.

    Richard
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    Richard,

    the wind deflector has two hook-like contraptions that catch on the the edge of the sunroof opening - you tighten them with 2 screws, that's all. All you need is a Philips scredriver and 15 minutes (including reading the installation manual!). Really easy, just make sure the seal at the bottom of the deflector lays flat on the roof.

    Pictures? - I'm not THAT much in love with my car... :-) but now that you mention it, maybe I'll post something after the weekend. I really do like the mudflaps, I had them on my Passat and they do keep the car much cleaner on the sides (and tar-free, too!). Interestingly enough in some countries in Europe (as you can tell I am no native English speaker) they are required equipment as they reduce water spray thus improving visibility in the rain for those who follow you.

    I'm glad to hear your Millenia is running smoother. Enjoy it! and take it easy, you still have 50K miles of bumper-to-bumper warranty to iron out any glitches. I tell you, this car grows on me . . . I like it more and more every day.

    Tomek
  • rkchiourkchiou Posts: 8
    Hi,

    I went to Ebay's web site earlier today and saw several Millenias for sale. I noticed that several of them had rear spoiler. Did Mazda offer rear spoiler as an accessory for pre-2001 models? I looked at the list of accessories for 2001 Millenia and did not see rear spoiler. Where can I get one and how much do they cost?

    This is my first car with leather seats. A friend told me Lexol is the best product for leather seats. What do you guys use?

    Richard
  • Currently starting to seriously consider a new car. After about another 1-2 months I'll have enough of my TBird payed off to sell it cheap and get rid of it. (NEVER EVER EVER BUY A FORD PRODUCT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

    Anyhow....
    I've actually been seriously considering/looking @ an Acura 3.2TL -- 99 or 00 model. 3.2L 225HP engine, schwwinngg LoL... but anyhow they are great cars, great reliability, but it's going to be slightly hard finding one for under $20000 with decent miles. Although, perhaps by the time I'm ready to buy (late Sept/Early Oct.) that'll be a better time for lower prices right (winter/fall time...)

    Anyhow, I also have always liked the Millenias. To me they are another Acura Legend (GREAT looking cars... just classy and understated and will continue to get looks for 10-15 years) I still see a 92 Legend on the road and damn thats a nice car.) But I digress....

    The really attractive part of the Millenia is the crappy resale --- 2000 Millenia S Milleniums for like $18-19k. with 20-30k mileage. I don't care about resale in this case (Acura or Mazda) because I plan on having the car throughout college -- (about 7 years) and I plan on putting tons of mileage on it (by the time I'm ready to sell it I should have added at least 120k)

    So I need a car that WILL last. Without a lot of major problems/maintenance. I can handle the 60k service (I'll just start my lil' "Service Fund")

    But I'm worried about the tranny... I had to replace that in my TBird and spend $750 on one from a junked car --- new was like $1900. Excuse me, that was actually to rebuild mine -- I don't even want to guess new price.

    According to Consumer Reports -- Reliability is "Very Good".
    With the engine getting the red circle with the dot (best) for 98 & 99 -- but a full black dot for 95! the three years avail. (some have insuff. data) 95--98--99 have the Very Good and Excellent for Trannys... so is it just that they aren't smooth, but still well built?

    I'm under the impression these are assembled in Japan which leads me to believe they have superior build quality inside (i.e. no squeaks/rattles, fit finish probs...) Over on the Acura TL board -- the TL is very good, however, many that have owned the Legends before hand (assembled in Japan, TL in US) said they notice a major difference and the Legend just felt more solid. Thats one part where the Millenia earns my vote if its true. Squeaks and rattles drive me insane -- and my TBIrd the whole thing is HORRID. I just have the radio blaring all the time.

    on the 2k Millenium Ed. with the BOSE -- whats the configuration of it?
    (speakers/wattage) The TL has a 5 speaker (4 doors & an Nd Woofer in the rear deck) it has good sound, but it could seriously use some tweeters. I'm not an audiophile, but I like to turn up a good song and get good solid bass and treble without it getting distorted but still sounding good.

    I guess that's it for now -- any thoughts, suggestions, etc etc. would be appreciated!!!
  • natevnatev Posts: 10
    in regards to the Millenium Ed....I have the silver one...purchased about 5 months ago w/ 4,000 miles on it for $22k....bought through my best friend who ran a dealership (was a rep. car)...stickerd for $32.5k.....After 5,000 miles I still love it .....just did the wheels (painted calipers and parts of rotors last weekend).....have gotten about 10 compliments on them since....overall though, great car...not super quick off the line, but simply flies on the highway...the Millenia's are soooooooo much more sleek and attractive than the Acura's (which I think have an ugly rear)....the Millenia really doesn't have a bad angle.....I have a couple of small adjustments to be made, but nothing not covered with the factory warranty they gave me, (5 yrs. or 50,000)....I plan to sell though in about 3-4 years.....In my opinion, it is one of the most aerodynamically shaped luxury/sport vehicles on the road (supported by it's great wind drag coefficient)...get the Mill. Ed. (6 CD in dash), speakers are OK, but I'm an audiophile and will revamp whole thing shortly (next project)....for everyday music lovers it is quite sufficient though...5 speakers, one in dash and standard 6x9 rear deck rears and 6 1/2 inch fronts....I am swapping all speakers and will use separates in the front to raise the sound stage to ear level....anymore advice and I'd be happy to respond......

    *****anyone out there have luck with an aftermarket muffler/exhaust system??? where????
  • protegenicprotegenic Posts: 199
    Well, I finally pulled the trigger and purchased an '01 Millenia P Wednesday that will primarily be my wife's car (I still enjoy my Protege too much!). The price for the car was right at $22K which seems to be pretty good from what I have read. So far, it is a joy to drive and I can't help but doing a double-take every time I walk away from it! We got the Platinum color and it looks great. It will look even better once we get the windows tinted.

    The only other car we really considered was the Accord EX V6. In the end, we 1)thought the Millenia was more attractive, 2)thought the Millenia was a great bargain, and 3)didn't think the world needed another Accord on the road! Yeah, we give up some power and will probably get dinged a bit should we need to sell it anytime in the next few years, but in the end, we feel like we are in a much more luxurious car for less money, so I guess value is in the eye of the keyholder.

    Now we have to work on just having 825 posts. I think the Protege board gets that in a good day!
  • csuftitanscsuftitans Posts: 215
    Congrats on the new Millenia; love the new Millenia looks and improvements, hope I can upgrade my 2000 Millenia S to a 2001 model. BTW, our other car is a Mazda Protege too, but it's the 2002 Protege5; so we both own a Millenia and a Protege; very cool. what color is your Protege?. My Protege5 is black and my Millenia is black/grey (two-tone). Love both cars, but me and my wife are fighting to drive the Protege5 to work everyday. She drives the Protege much more than me nowadays; can't win a fight with the wifey. Anyway, please let us know how you like the 2001 Millenia; I especially loved the rear end styling and the improvements they made to the interior.

    zoom-zoom
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    csuftitans,

    wouldn't you lose a lot of money upgrading 2000 to 2001?

    Just curious how you justify that...
    Tomek
    with his 2001 S :-)
  • protegenicprotegenic Posts: 199
    My Protege is a '99 ES and is black. I would have the P5 if they had it available back then! Unfortunately, my little gem is in the shop right now since I got a little sloppy going through an intersection a couple of weeks ago. My great experience (other than my recent driving incident) with the Protege has made me a believer in Mazda. I think their quality, at least on Japanese built products, rivals or best those of the more well known competitors.

    Even though I have the smaller engine in my Millenia, I can't wait to break it in a little and start opening her up some. The engine certainly sounds willing! The one thing I already love about the car is how much quieter it is than the Protege. I can actually appreciate the sound system!
  • csuftitanscsuftitans Posts: 215
    I love my 2000 Millenia S, but some of the new feature/improvements Mazda made to the 2001 model makes me go crazy. For sure I will upgrade my Millenia's tailight assembly with the 2001's tail lights along with the center lic plate holder panel. This will cost me about $1400; that's after a 10% discount at a Mazda dealer. Does anyone know a cheaper place to buy Mazda parts? I'll probably do this on My Millenia's 2yr anniversary in Jan 2002; hope I have enough extra money by then. I also love the new "Optitron" gauges on the 2001 Millenia; does anyone knows if it's even possible to replace the gauges?

    BTW, to anyone who has driven both Millenia and Millenia S, which one has a quiter engine. when I test drove a used '98 Millenia, I thought during idle, the Millenia's 2.5 V6 engine is quieter; about the same while driving.
  • protegenicprotegenic Posts: 199
    I only test drove the "P". The "S" was out of the budget of what I wanted to spend on a new car. I think if you can spring for it, I would go for the "S" just for the extra 40 HP. Not that the 170 in mine is bad, I have just read too many good things about the Miller cycle engine.

    Oh, and the only thing I have found so far that bugs me is the fan control. Say you have the fan on the second setting and get too cold. You can't simply click it back one notch. You have to go through speeds 3 and 4 before you get back to one. Not a big deal, just an observation.
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    I test drove Millenia P (2.5L V6) before I drove (and bought) my Millenia S. The 2.5L is in general higher-pitched, the Miller cycle rougher sounding. I like the Miller cycle better though, especially the supercharger whistle when I step on it.

    Did you guys know that Merceded Benz in its newest 6 cyl AMG model uses Lysholm screw supercharger, just like Millenia S (they do it on a 3.2L V6 end up with something like 350BHP).

    csuftitans, I just searched www.google.com for "mazda millenia parts" and that's what it came back with - I'm sure you'll find more:

    http://www.corksport.com/others/millenia.html

    http://www.pricingcentral.com/mazda/millenia.html

    http://www.4autobodyparts.com/cgi-bin/4autobodyparts/body_parts.html?body=MAZDA&parts=MILLENIA

    http://www.mazdastuff.com/directory.cfm?CategoryID=77

    ... and so on.

    Good luck!
    Tomek
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    I spent the weekend car shopping. Drove MaximaGLE, the best I could get was $23,774. Also the 'O2 Camry, best price $200 under MSRP. Then I got lucky. After hitting three Mazda dealers, I got my new Millenia P, MSRP $28,225, for $21,830. The car is absolutely gorgeous in Sterling Silver Metallic, with gray leather and sun roof standard equipment. Other than less rear seat room, this car so far outclasses the Maxima, that it is no contest. Of course, it does not have the power of the Max, but that is not important to me. It performs very well, even with the 2.5 V-6. The Camry was also gray leather, but the dashboard can't hold a candle to the Millenia, and the car falls far short in overall appearance and ambiance.

    Toyota dealers were very courteous, the Nissan dealers for the most part were not a good experience. But the whole buying experience at Courtesy Mazda was by far the most pleasant I have ever had.

    There are great incentives right now, so don't wait if you are wanting one of these beautiful cars.
  • protegenicprotegenic Posts: 199
    on the new car. Now I am not the newest one here! Great price on the car, too. They are really quite the bargain right now, especially for what you get. I don't know how they are selling any 626 ES-V6's now, especially since you can't find one with ABS and side airbags! We came to the same conclusion as you on the power. Sure it would be nice to have over 200 hp, but the 2.5l seems to do just fine in normal driving conditions. I didn't look at the Camry since they are notoriously conservative in and out, and I didn't think they would be dealing on the '02's. The Maxima is nearly the other extreme. My wife has never liked the looks on it. Both are fine cars though.
  • Herndon, I was wondering if you could give me a little feedback

    My dad really likes the Millenia S. We've tried a 98 and 2000 model and both have a funny vibration at Freeway speeds (70 MPH/120KMH). We didn't notice the problem while gunnning it though, just at that speed. Is this similar to your problem that was solved by shutting off the traction control? My dad loves the car and will probably buy a used one, but this issue really bugs him.
  • csuftitanscsuftitans Posts: 215
    The only vibrations on my 2000 Millenia S is the result of the low profile tires on a 17" wheels. No funny vibrations from engine or transmission though.
  • I'm sorry the models we drove were 98 and 99, so no 2000 vibrations here.

    Which are better though, 17s or 16s? (apart from the style factor)

    Do 17s give slightly more vibration and road noise as a compromise to superior handling?
  • I agree completely about the Legend, what an amazing car. I think the Millenia is sort-of-kind-of a modern version of it though. You couldn't go wrong with a Millenia. My dad is in the same position. The Legend was his favourite car, but now he likes the updated feel of the Millenia. The Legends were pretty small inside too. Did you ever look at a J30? They're really a 300zx underneath; they even have the same 3.0 block as the base 300zx. They don't handle like the Legend though.
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    I just did over 200 miles yesterday, going sometimes well over 90mph. No vibration at any speed, smooth as glass.
    Tire vibration can be usually cured by wheel balancing (done by somebody who KNOWS what he is doing) and - if that doesn't help - alignment (more $$$).

    I have 2001 S with 17 inchers. I don't think those 17 inchers are necessary, but they look good. There is no significant quality of ride difference between 16 and 17 inch wheels IMHO; 16 inchers are good enough.

    Tomek
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    This has to be the best kept secret in a superb near luxury car in the world. I have now had the chance to accumulate about 200 miles on my new Millenia, and it is a wonderful car. They are complaining about the styling of the new ES300 on other boards, how did they miss this beauty? All I can say, is that their loss was my gain, because it allowed me to buy at $10000 or more below what they are going to pay for those new Lexus'.

    As far as the poor depreciation is concerned. I don't see how that can factor in, when they gave me at least two years worth of depreciation to start with. Sure feels good to have found such a bargain on what is obviously a world class vehicle.
  • csuftitanscsuftitans Posts: 215
    I agree about the new Lexus ES300's styling, while the front looks nice, the rear looks cheap and looks like the older Camry ('94-97 model). The 2001 Millenia however, has a very nice stylish, expensive look to it. I also agree that the discounts and rebates that you get on a new Millenia more than covers the depriciation for at least a year; it's especially good if you're financing it and keep it for a long time. Lease is just not worth it for me.

    BTW, I have to say that a 16 inchers on a Millenia will give you a slightly better ride, since the tires is higher profile, 55 series compared to 50 on a 17 inchers.
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