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Mazda Millenia

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  • obioha1obioha1 Posts: 27
    I'm sorry for writing 3 messages instead of one long message but that's how the thoughts come. Anyways what is the millenia special addition? I saw on edmunds that it is black millenia with a chrome grill and black/ivory leather with titanium accents inside. Sounds cool but I have yet to see it. It lists for $600 more than a regular S. I was wondering if anyone has seen it and what do they think and if there are any links to see it.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    I saw it...nothing super special but the interior does have touch more class.
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Go here:


    http://www.mazdausa.com/millenia/


    And click on the Special Edition link next to the Quick Facts.

  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    mparthasarat,

    it's a supercharged, high compression engine - premium required, otherwise you'll kill it with knock.

    Tomek
  • speed33speed33 Posts: 17
    What is Mazda going to be replaced with????? Is it true that 626 V6 and Millenia P has the same engine??? If this is true why would one prefer a Millenia over 626, the second beign cheaper and roughly the same size?
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    Last week I had noise in climate control fan - they replaced the bearing assembly. I also got an oil change for $19.99 + tax, free car wash (they did it for me) and free loaner - if anybody is in for warranty repairs, Mazda covers that. Cool, I was going to get that oil change anyway...
    The service advisor wanted to know if I was totally satisfied and when I said yes, he asked to give them all 10s on customer satisfaction survey that Mazda will be sending my way. Ah, the wonders of motivation...

    Tomek
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    Speed33,

    I think
    - Millenia will be replaced in 2003 by RX8
    - 626 will be replaced in 2003 by Mazda 6 (they got realy creative here)

    And yes, Millenia P has the same engine as V6 626. And no, I - personally - didn't prefer 626. It is smaller, much narrower, completely different interior, different vehicle class. So I got Millenia S for 26K in July '01.

    Tomek
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    While they are totally different platforms, they do share the 2.5 V-6, but Millenia does not use the I-4.

    To answer your "why" question, I will use another "why" question. Why would anyone prefer an ES300 to a Camry, or an I35 to a Maxima. Primarily it is the luxury factor, plus you can steal the Millenia right now if you have any bargaining ability at all.

    The Millenia also has a better frequency of repair record than a 626.
  • phatpatphatpat Posts: 22
    My keyless entry has stopped working. Does this just require a new battery and where and what kind do I need? The reason I'm asking is because in the manual it says to pop off the back of it and replace but on mine it doesn't appear to easily be removed and replaced. It also doesn't specify what type of battery to use. Any help would be appreciated.
  • csuftitanscsuftitans Posts: 215
    Open it and see what kinds of battery it's using; either way you need to open it to replace the battery. I bet it's using the 2032 battery; which is fairly easy to find.
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    WalMart has Fram Sure Drain oil plugs available, They don't list one for my 2001 Millenia 2.5L, but they do list the 2000 Millenia with that engine.

    Now to the point. Can anyone here tell me if Mazda changed the oil drain plug size from 2000 to 2001? I can't see why they would have, as it is the same identical engine. I'm just trying to confirm my suspicion that the SD-2 plug listed to fit the '00 Millenia will work for my '01.

    Thanks
  • kcm8419kcm8419 Posts: 121
    Hello to everyone this is my first time in here. On the sure drain oil plug you may want to look at the fram web site, www.fram.com, and it will list all of their filters for your car.

    Since we are talking about oil changes I was wondering if anyone knows if the '02 mill s needs a lube job. I have a couple of older 626's that do not need them and I have family members that have newer 626's that I think do not need them, but what about the mill s?

    Also the owners manual states to replace spark plugs at 60,000 miles is this realistic?

    By the way I bought a '02 mill s on Feb 23 in platinum silver metallic with 4 seasons package, 6-disc cd, and the 17" chrome alloy wheels for $24,995. Was this a good price or not.

    Thanks.
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    What do you mean by "lube job"?

    Sparkplugs - sure it's realistic, more cars today have platinum-tipped plugs that last 100K miles.

    Price - I think it is a good price (I paid 26K for '01S in July). Today Quirk Mazda in Boston advertises Millenia P for 20,599 (citing 5K rebate, and 3K dealer discount, they have 3 in stock at that price).

    Good luck with your S -

    Tomek
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    Frank,

    I'd cross-check it with 2001 Mazda MPV - same engine. But wouldn't it be easier to get it at the dealer? It can't be more than a few bucks, and you'll know for sure you're getting the right thing. And why do you need one (just curious)?

    Tomek
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    The Sure Drain is a replacement for the OEM plug that allows you to drain the oil without removing the plug. It has an internal valve that opens when you screw the drain hose onto it.


    http://www.aapexshow.com/index1.php?page=fastaction


    It is very similar to the CAP Plug at:


    http://www.oilchangesolution.com/qc.php3


    Fumotovalve is another one for the same purpose,


    http://www.fumotovalve.com/


    but double the price of the Sure Drain. I change my own oil, and they seem to be a good way to keep from dropping the plug when you remove it, or getting hot oil on your hand, and faster/easier.



    By the way, I saw "P"'s advertised at about that price this morning too, but the fine print says that is after a $1000 downpayment or trade, and does not include destination charge. That brings it back up to about $23000. Still a great buy, but as usual you have to watch out for the fine print.

    kcm8419,

    I checked Millenia and some others on the Fram site, and their application charts only go through the 2000 models on the ones I checked including Accord and Camry. It looks like they have not updated to include 2001 and 2002 models.

    Frank

  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    fwatson, thanks for the info - that's really cool "device"! Although last time I changed oil myself was 8-9 years ago... maybe I'll go back to DIY when I retire in 20 or 25 years :-)

    Tomek
  • kcm8419kcm8419 Posts: 121
    What I mean by a lube job is lubricating your steering linkage. When you go to these quick oil change places their price normally includes changing the oil, oil filter, and a lube job. I am assuming that with the cv boots on these cars that you no longer need to lubricate the steering linkage anymore. I drive some US made vehicles still at work, big 3 manufactures, and they still need a lube job to them. If this is the case then I will not fool with changing the oil myself.

    Thank you for the information on the spark plugs.
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 853
    Thanks for your post on the Toyota sight. In your opinion does the Millenia match closely with the vehicles I am thinking of? I just never even thought about the Millenia. Why are they marked down so much?
    What kind of mpg can I expect from the Millenia? Does it use a belt or chain? Is it an interference or non-interference engine? Is it made in Japan? Is this the last year for this model and if so, what will replace it? I will try to read the previous posts but it will take me a while. My primary requirement in a new car is reliability. I cannot tolerate repairs when one is paying 30K for an auto. It also is a waste of my time. What is the warranty on the Millenia?
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Lots of questions. I think a couple others will chime in here with some answers for you too.


    1-Some comparisons are subjective, but I find the Millenia impeccably assembled and finished, both inside and out. It has from about 5 to 10 cubic feet less interior cabin space than the other cars you mention, but much of this is a result of styling that has a lot of tumblehome on the sides, and a steeply raked windshield. The front seats are within an inch in width of the other cars. I find the front seats very comfortable, and the driving position not only good, but airy, with great visibility. The back seat is limited in width by the fold down center console, which also opens a ski passthrough to the trunk. For kids the back seat would be great, larger teenagers and adults might find it a little short on legroom. The moonroof is standard equipment, and does cut into headroom a couple of inches.


    2-Most of us here seem to agree the reason for the hugh markdowns, is that the Millenia started out to be the entry level car in a new Mazda luxury car division called Amati. The new division never got off the ground, and Millenia was sold as a top of the line Mazda, and never got the promotion of the Lexus, Infinity, and Acura's. Plus not having a seperate dealer network for the luxury brand worked against it. It has nothing to do with the quality of the car, which Consumer Report calls outstanding in their April '02 New Car Issue. Carpoint, at


    http://carpoint.msn.com/home/reliability_ratings.asp


    shows all models since '96 to have top notch reliability. The reason for the slight downrating on the '95 and '96 engine, was a problem with sparkplug wires, which was a cheap (about $100), and easy repair. I have read of a little bit of a problem with the "S" model which is supercharged, having a blue oil smoke on startup after it accumulates some fairly high milage, which comes from the supercharger passing a little bit of oil. Most owners of "S"es love their cars though.


    3-I am averaging a little over 22 mpg overall, with a low of about twenty city and about 27 to 28 mpg on the highway. My car is the unsupercharged "P" (for premium) model, and I have run 87 octane gasoline since new with no problem. The manual allows this, but recommends 93 octane for the "P", and requires 93 octane for the "S".


    4-The engine is non-interference, using a timing belt.


    5-It is manufactured in Japan with almost 100% Japanese sourced parts.


    6-2002 is the Millenia's last year, and Mazda is coming out with two new models, the Mazda 6, which I think will kind of overlap the also discontinued 626, and the Millenia. The new RX-8 will be an upscale car, also partially replacing the Millenia.


    7-$30000, no way. You can easily buy the basic "P" which is far from basic for under $22000, or the "S" for less than $25000.


    I really believe these Millenia's at the prices you can get are the best kept secret, and the best bargain you can find in a new car. They do have a somewhat high depreciation, but better than most "American" cars. But at the discounts available that is completely moot for me. If you plan to keep a new car more than say 4 years, it is of no concern at all.


    Happy car hunting. If that's not an oxymoron.

  • phatpatphatpat Posts: 22
    Well it's about time for my 65,000 mile service and I was wondering what that's going to run me. From what I understand I may be looking at around $700.00 - $800.00, does this sound about right? What exactly is done?
  • shenequashenequa Posts: 6
    Greeting everyone,

    I am the some what proud owner of a 1995 MilleniaL with 139,000 miles on it. Just a little history I recently replaced the transmission, cv axles, and gaskets...which set me back $1400.00. Its now in the shop again.....reason: when driving on the freeway going between 60-70 miles it would just start hesitating when trying to accelerate...this happened for a couple of days until finally while trying to go up a hill the car just didn't want to pull and coming down the hill it went dead and wouldn't start again for at least 10 mintues...I was wondering if anyone has had this problem and if so what they did to fix it also I had a few other questions posted below....all comments are appreciated...

    1) How do you disable the TCS?
    2) Does anyone know what an EGR boot is and what it does?
    3) Is there any quick fix for the trunk release...mine will pop yet after you take your finger off the release it will instantly lock back up?

    Thanks everyone!
  • speed33speed33 Posts: 17
    It seems that mazda Millenia is not made to go far. Sorry Shenequa to hear about your problems. It looks like it is time to move on and dump this baby asap. Remeber most people who are on this board have their millenias for no more than 2, 3 years, so they have yet to experience the problems high maintenence car like Millenia brings. This is a very expensive car to fix, get rid of it and buy somethig more solid like Accord, Camry or Maxima. Remeber there is a reason why Millenias are so cheap, now you found out why. Good Luck!
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    when his accord dumped a tranny at 65k miles.
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    I don't know what your problem is 33, but try a little research before posting.


    Here is the link for Carpoint Reliability Ratings:


    http://carpoint.msn.com/home/reliability_ratings.asp


    Look at Millenia:


    http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/UsedRelOver/Mazda/Millenia/Used.asp


    Now try Camry:


    http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/UsedRelOver/Toyota/Camry/Used.asp


    And Accord:


    http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/UsedRelOver/Honda/Accord/Used.asp


    Uh, which did you say were most reliable?


    Also, pick up the April '02 issue of Consumer Reports, and look at all the pretty red dots and checkmarks regarding the Millenia. Now turn to page 55 of the same issue and read this, "Depreciation is steep, BUT RELIABILITY HAS BEEN O-U-T-S-T-A-N-D-I-N-G!!!!!!"


    Carpoint gets their information from professional mechanics, and CR from owners. That pretty well covers the possibilities.


    Try every reliability ratings source you can find, and you will see the same results. As for CR's sarcastic remarks about Millenia, you will find the same putdown aimed at virtually every car they list, including Bentleys, BMW's and Lexus. Especially if the basic car is more than two model years old. They seem to feel that anything over two years old is an antique, and probably feel the same about anybody over thirty, which includes me.

    Millenia is a very good, and extremely reliable car.

  • kcm8419kcm8419 Posts: 121
    To disable your TCS you should have a button by your gear selector that you need to press to disable this. A light should then come on on your instrument panel telling you "TCS OFF". Don't forget the tcs automatically comes on when you start your car. The EGR, according to a repair manual that I have for another vehicle, is the exhaust gas recirculation. "It controls emissions by routing a portion of the exhaust gases back into the intake manifold. This operation depends on vacuum level, exhaust pressure, engine coolant and radiator temperature and on turbocharged vehicles, engine load and speed." The trunk release you may just want to grease or oil the trunk latch because it sounds like it is not popping the trunk up when you press the button.
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    You've "replaced the transmission, cv axles, and gaskets...which set me back $1400.00." That's cheap! Tie rod end on my (previuosly owned) Passat: $480, right front bearing: $560. That's all before 60K miles. Nothing broke and I would get charged $350 for "30K mile service". How's that for expensive car to maintain...

    Now, when it comes to cars with 139,000 miles on them - I'd follow speed33's advice and dump it if you can. This is only the beginning, things WILL break down.

    I have to say I generally get bored with a car after 4 years, and if it is really good, I keep it for 6. Never had anything over 100K miles, but judging from various experiences of friend, coworkers etc. no matter what you have will become costly to maintain and keep running (somebody who works for me last month spent $2300 on 1995 accors with 125K miles - and he was furious about it). There are no miracles...

    Good luck, if I were you I'd go shopping...

    Tomek
  • marak88marak88 Posts: 57
    I have two coworkers with me, one that have 65k on his 99 millenia L with no problems yet and the other has only 22k on his 2001 accord and already on his second transmission.
    If I was to choose between the two cars for reliability I'll take the millenia. thats my opinion only, :)

    Regards,
  • acabral1acabral1 Posts: 122
    A new website has been launched for the millenia; however not every page is up and running as of yet. The website's forum is currently available though. This website, has been designed to provided customization, service, general info, et cetera etc... assistance/information to millenia owners.


    http://www.custommillenia.com/


    regards,

  • shenequashenequa Posts: 6
    I just wanted to thank everyone for their comments. I really appreciate the advice and suggestions. I am getting the "M-Dawg" out the shop today and this time it's going to set me back $330.00. I am not complaining because for the most part I love my car and even with it being a 95 it still turns heads :-) I think that I am going to keep it until the Mazda 6 has been out for a year a so and then jump into one of those :-)

    Thanks again!
  • speed33speed33 Posts: 17
    There is no car that is 100% trouble free, but Mazda tends to have very expensive parts especially for Millenia which originally was going to become Avanti: upscale division for Mazda. I could provide stories of Mazdas having problems in its first 50K but it is pointless. We all have friends who have .... ect.
    As for CR, I lost faith in them ever since they published their story on Isuzu Troopers. Besides, I have trouble taking advice from magazine that tests everything and consequently has expertise on nothing. I think that the best deal is to get a used 1, 2 year old Millenia let some other sucker eat the steeeeeeeeep depreciacion and enjoy the car for next 3 to 5 years. Keeping this car longer will kill your wallet. Just my 2c.
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