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Mazda Millenia

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  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 853
    Thanks for posting. You are the best one then to compare these two(Max and Millenia). How do they compare in the following areas: build quality(fit and finish), gas mileage, interior noise, drivers' seat comfort, long-term dependability, auto transmission, overall handling, steering effort or control, and overall ride comfort.
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Quote maximase2002: "Why did you choose the Millennia over the Max?"

    I set out convinced I would buy a 2001 Maxima last August. Before doing that, I decided to do comparison testing of the Max, '02 Camry, '02 Altima (not released at that time), and Avalon. Over a period of two weeks I hit at least two dealers of each of those Models. Frankly, I found them all nice, but was underwhelmed by them all.

    I found some of the styling of the Max, to put it kindly, Quirky. There was far more road noise than I expected ( I drove all three versions), and the ride was too firm for my taste, even on the GXE and GLE. Still I made a bid for a GXE at $23000 but the sales manager wanted to argue over an additional $300. I refused.

    The Toyota dealers were far too proud of the new Camry, with the best price I could get just $200 under MSRP (manufacturers suggested ripoff price). I also refused that.

    I was offered the cloth seat Avalon for $24000, but again was underwhelmed, especially by the shoebox styling.

    I had read so much about the cheap interior of the new Altima, that I wrote them off. I was looking for some semblance of luxury, not cheapo.

    I had not even thought of the Millenia due to Mazda's total lack of promoting it in ads. Once again I checked the new car ads in the Tampa Tribune, and came across the Millenia advertised at somewhere around $20000, but that turned out to be a come on, and that particular car had "already been sold". LOL. I inquired about the price of other Millenias on that lot, and the rude salesman refused to talk anything but MSRP. I walked off ready to give up and just run the wheels off my '95 Olds 88. But I couldn't get those beautiful Millenias out of my mind, and on the way home stopped at another Mazda lot. Bingo!

    About 6 gorgeous Millenias sitting there, an extremely courteous and helpful salesman, and then a sales manager who took me seriously when I told him I wanted rock bottom out the door price. Test drove a "P" and fell in love with it. Back in the office they offered a bottom line price $8000 off the silly MSRP plus the $995 wax job. $21680 (less than $23000 otd). Not being totally stupid, I knew that was it.

    With over 5000 trouble free and enjoyable miles on the odometer now, it has been the best decision I have made in my 60 years of car ownership. That's about 20 cars to date.
  • speedracer3speedracer3 Posts: 650
    " How do they compare in the following areas: build quality(fit and finish), gas mileage, interior noise, drivers' seat comfort, long-term dependability, auto transmission, overall handling, steering effort or control, and overall ride comfort."

    Fredvh,

    Build Quality: The Millenia has the edge here, there is more attention to detail in the Mazda. The quality of materials is better in the Millenia. But don't let that fool you, the Maxima is a well built car.

    Gas Mileage: I get better gas mileage with the Maxima. For some reason the 2.5L V6 in the MM is a gas guzzler compared to the VQ engine in the Maxima. Although if you are getting a 2002 Maxima with the bigger 3.5L V6 so things might be different in your case.

    Interior Noise: The Millenia has a more quiet luxury ride. The Maxima growls like a sport car when pushed hard, but it is an very quiet at high speeds.

    Seat Comfort: Maxima all the way. The Millenia seems crammed to me and the seats feel too small. There is a lot more room to strech out and get confy in a Maxima.

    Reliability (long term): Either one should be very reliable.

    Auto Tranny: My pet peeve about the Millenia. I really do not like the 4 speed auto. It is NOT a smooth shifting tranny and it is not unusual for it to start hunting for gears. Needless to say the Maxima tranny is much smoother.

    Steering: The Millenia has that overboosted luxury steering. The Maxima does have give you more razor sharp steering responses.

    Ride: This is really a matter of taste. If you like a luxury ride the MM is more for your taste. If you like sport (like me) the Maxima SE has a more taut sporty ride.

    Again, two great cars with different personalities. The Maxima is my daily driver. Wife drives the MM. I do like the Maxima's room and sportiness, and love the Millenia's great looks and luxury feel.

    Hope this helps

    Speed
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    "Seat Comfort: Maxima all the way."

    This is funny to me, because when my wife first sat down in a Max she looked startled. I ask what was wrong, and she asked why the seat was so hard. I think perhaps a very large person might perceive a small difference in size, but I actually measured the seat in a Max and compared it to the Millenia. Guess what. The Maxima's driver's seat was three quarters of one inch wider than the Millenia's. I personally can't feel the size difference, and the seats in my Millenia are extremely comfortable, even on a 3000 mile vacation. I have a sometime painful lower back, and the power lumbar support is very helpful. But even with it on maximum setting I would like a slight bit more push in my lumbar area.

    It is interesting though to compare your view and mine on the same seats, and see the difference in perception. Goes to show the only way to know is to try it for yourself.
  • speedracer3speedracer3 Posts: 650
    Fwatson,

    I am not a big fan of leather, so my Maxima seats are cloth. The cloth seats are a lot softer and more supportive than the ones in the Millenia. I have never measured the Maxima seats, but I did have the perception that they were wider than the MM seats.
  • I'm new to this board,

    Someone asked why did I chose the Max over the MM, I don't want to flame anyone but the Maxima just excelled in every area over the MM and the resale value on the MM is a shame.
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Quote: "the Maxima just excelled in every area over the MM".

    ++++++++++++++++++

    Hmm, a very interesting UNBIASED opinion. I also have one. X=Advantage.

    Catagory -------------- Maxima ------- Millenia
    Horsepower -------------- X
    Styling ---------------------------------- XXXXXXXX
    Quality of materials ----------------------- X
    Quality of assembly ----------------------- X
    Quality of paint ----------------------------- X
    Paint Application -------------------------- X
    Ride Quality -------------------------------- X
    Noise Intrusion ---------------------------- X
    Rear Suspension -------------------------- X
    Repair History ----------- X ---------------- X
    Standard Features ------------------------- X
    Handling ------------------ X ---------------- X
    Real World Price --------------------------- X
    Depreciation ------------ 1/2x

    +++++++++++++++++++++++
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 853
    I see your X chart up above but am a little confused when in the "repair history" and the "handling" categories both models receive an X. Is this because they are equal in these categories?
    What kind of gas mileage are you getting now on your Millenia? I have read a couple of reviews that say the Millenia does not get "good" gas mileage. I forget what engine you have. Do you use premium? You and I have talked before about the Millenia, ES300, Maxima, I35, Honda, and the Accord which I am considering. I want quality built, comfortable, affordable service costs, and long-term dependability.
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    First about the chart. These are my observations from having read extensively online about both vehicles, and having driven all models of both cars. If both have an X, neither has an advantage.


    I own a 2001 MM "P". That has the 2.5L, naturally aspirated V-6.


    With 5280 miles on the car, all while using 87 octane (regular unleaded)gasoline, I have averaged 20mpg city--27 to 28mpg highway, and an overall average of 22.2mpg. If they wish to call that poor milage for a 3400 pound four door sedan, they have that right. I do not agree.


    My references to Repair History are based on both Consumer Reports Magazine, and Carpoint Reliability Ratings which you can access here:


    http://carpoint.msn.com/home/reliability_ratings.asp


    Select any car you want to check and compare them yourself. Be sure to check the reason for any Red and White X, or Yellow and Black exclamation point, by clicking on that mark. Green and White checkmarks are the best.


    The subjective topics, such as comfort, you need to judge for yourself by driving all the cars you are interested in.

  • speedracer3speedracer3 Posts: 650
    I would add a number of things to your list that favor the Maxima.

    More Interior Room
    More Trunk Space
    Better Stereo
    Better Ergonomics
    6 speed available
    Nav. system available
    Sport Suspension
    Faster
    Beter Engine
    Better Tranny
    Better Fuel Economy
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Obviously this kind of [non-permissible content removed] for tat one upmanship could go on indefinitely, so I will not persue that course.

    My point was to someone coming onto a forum such as this, with a blunt and untrue statement that one of these cars is clearly better in every way than another, is pure bunk.

    They are both excellent cars, with most of the differences due to very different customer demographics.

    The Max is a family four door hot rod, while the MM is an elegant family four door cruiser. Overall I find the Millenia much more pleasant to drive, because I am not a hot rodder anymore.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Folks, we've mentioned this previously - extensive comparisons between the Millenia and another specific vehicle are out of place here.

    It stands to reason that most of the people who have purchased a Millenia and are happy with it are not interested in hearing from folks who found what they believe to be a better choice. If any of you folks who want to explain why any other vehicle is better than the Milennia, you are invited to create such a discussion on the Sedans comparisons board.

    Let's let this discussion focus primarily on its topic.

    Thanks.

    Pat
    Sedans Host
  • speedracer3speedracer3 Posts: 650
    It's not upmanship. Since own both cars I am a little more opinionated about each car's pros and cons. No doubt they are both fine cars for different tastes.
  • I am not tring to say that my Maxima is better than the Millenia. My reply was taken out of context. I love a lot of Japanese cars the MM is one of those cars but the car that I own and drive is a 2002 Maxima. Why because it is the best overall value IMO out of the cars I am a fan of. Guys I am not tring to come over to your forum and start flames. There is nothing wrong with liking a car that you don't own.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    We are glad to have you as a new member in our Town Hall. Why don't you come over to the Maxima discussion and talk about the great value you have found in your vehicle with folks who are of like mind?

    Feel free to let me know if you need any help finding your way around.

    Pat
    Sedans Host
  • speed33speed33 Posts: 17
    Why don't you let people express their opinions on this board. You have no problem when someone positively compares Millenia to another car . Yet when a person does the same and Millenia does not come ahead, you disinvite people from this board or worse. This is still America and people should be allowed to express their opinions. Nobody is using vulgar language, so what is your problem? The last time I checked Edmund's.com was incorporated In good old USA not Afganistan!
  • I am aware of the Maxima discussion i am a member of Maxima. org acura-tl.com and Acura-cl.com, Freshalloy.com and Honda -Acura.net. Altimas.net etc... Again the point I am tring to make is that I am a car fan. I don't feel that I should stick with my own kind for lack of better words,since I own a Maxima. Do you feel I should buy all of the cars I mentioned previously just to join their forums. I like the MM, and I think I will continue to post here as well. Thanks for the welcome
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Quote: "Why don't you let people express their opinions on this board"

    You have obviously been reading this MM forum for awhile, so you are aware of the problem with a couple of trolls who have frequented it. And while maximase2002 professes not to be flaming MM, his posts come out as if he is. I have no problem with honest disagreement on a given car. But I can understand trying to stop the "my car is great, yours can't even come close to it" type posts. They seem aimed at starting arguments, and succeed at that goal.

    I don't go to the Max or Camry boards etc and tell them how much better my MM is than their given ride. And really don't understand the need of some people to do that. It just stirs up resentment.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    is not whether folks can express their opinions, nor is it whether you must own the vehicle to do so.

    This is a dedicated vehicle discussion (is there an echo in here??).

    Comparisons are simply out of place here. We have the perfect place for those conversations. Please take them to the Sedans Comparisons board.

    Of course I realize that some comparisons will come up in any dedicated vehicle discussion. If we have one or two comments positive or negative comparing some other vehicle, it's no big deal.

    The problem here is that for what seems like months now, a couple of people --- or is it just one?? --- have come here to say over and over again why xxx vehicle is better than the Millenia.

    I am saying those statements belong on the Comparisons board and if they continue in this discussion, I will remove them.

    If anyone wants to discuss this further, please address me off-line.

    Now, let's talk about the Millenia.

    Thanks.

    Pat
    Sedans Host
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    I started a new "Maxima v Millenia" thread in the "Sedans vs. Sedans" section. Please feel free to express your opinions there comparing Maxima to Millenia.

    Thanks
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 853
    Thanks for starting the Max vs. Mil board. I will be watching. I have not made up my mind yet on the Max, Mil, ES300, Accord, I35, TL, or Camry.
    I even might wait to see what the new 2003 Accord looks like.
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Admin changed the name of the "Maxima v Millenia" thread to "Nissan Maxima v. Mazda Millenia". It is still in the "Sedans vs. Sedans" section.

    Frank
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    For information debunking the often repeated myth that Millenia has a horrible resale value, check "Nissan Maxima v. Mazda Millenia" in the "Comparisons - Sedans vs. Sedans" section.
  • Has anyone had any problems with their super charger going out? I have a 97 S with 59,000 miles and the super charger began leaking oil. Supposedly Mazda does not rebuild the units. New one is $4,000. My extended warranty company (another nightmare in itself) found a used one and had it installed, now it is going bad also. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    I have a '01 S . . . so, no problems so far and anyway it's still under warranty. Did you try to talk Mazda into covering part of the replacement cost, since you have low miles (their factory warranty is 50,000 miles!)?

    Who is your extended warranty provider? I was thinking of buying extended warranty, but decided to defer until I'm sure I'll keep the car beyond factory warranty.

    Thanks,

    Tomek
  • The warranty company I use is Phoenix American. I don't suggest using them. They wouldn't purchase a new or rebuilt super charger for my Millenia. They found a used one somewhere (I have no history for this part)and it only last 6 weeks. Now I am back to fighting with them to get the part replaced. Mazda supposedly does not have a rebuild kit for their super charger. The dealership explained to me that Mazda doesn't even offer rebuilt units. Needless to say I have a beautiful car that is going no where. Good luck on your extended warranty search.
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    Thanks for the info on warranty...

    Again, did you try to talk Mazda into covering part of the replacement cost, since you have low miles vehicle? Worth a try...

    Tomek
  • I have a call into the district service manager to discuss the issue. It's hard to image that two units would go bad, let alone one, especially after only 59,000 miles. I'll keep you updated.
    Jayhawk
  • nvedraninvedrani Posts: 58
    you could also consider, if there are no other alternatives, a S/C from www.knightturbos.com
    -the owner there (Geoff Knight) is VERY knowledgable when it comes to the Millenia S. He has a few options you may want to talk with him about.
  • It appears to me that I am being grouped with people "trolls" that join forums and have nothing to contribute to the topic. Let me state again that I am not a troll and I plan to offer positive contributions to this forum. I have not made any statement that can be seen as flaming the MM, and if you all feel that way that wasn't the intention. If I didn't like the car I wouldn't bother to comment on it positively or negatively. If I didn't include the car I drove in my screen name I wouldn't get this type of welcome. Am I right or wrong? By the way I haven't posted in the comparison forum because I'm not trying to compare the car I own to anybody else car. like I said I like a lot of cars I just so happen to drive a Maxima. Is that a crime?
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