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Mazda Millenia

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  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    The Factory special edition includes these items...

    chrome/titanium front grill
    17'' titanium finished wheels
    avail only in black
    two tone ivory interior
    titanium finish on center console (replaces wood)
    black floor mats

    1000 total units (70% PS 30% SS)
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Quote kcm8419: "On the Special Edition it is from the factory, go look at the Mazdausa site they have it listed there."

    I checked mazdausa.com, and you are correct. I am just a little surprised that they are producing a Special Edition at this late date. It sounds like a beauty for someone who will do the upkeep a black car requires, although I prefer wood to titanium. Of course that's only a personal preference.
  • nvedraninvedrani Posts: 58
    Having a system installed tommorow and was wondering if anyone had experience with removing the inner door panels?? Any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
  • obioha1obioha1 Posts: 27
    I was wondering if any of you thought that you could work a really good deal on the special edition P model like you can on the other P models. Since the package I heard was a $1000 more, I figure that you could work a deal to get it at around 22000-23000 before TT&L. Also it seems like on this board and if this board is indicative of US purchasing of millenias, then does anybody buy the '01-'02 S millenia. Because I think that an S for 23,500 wouldn't be an unreasonable request given its lack of popularity due to the better value of the P. Any input would be nice.
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    I think with a little persuading you can get a similar deal on a P SE as on any other P. Of course it will probably be a thousand higher, or around $22500 to $23000. But the best I have seen anyone do on the S, is about $2000 or so above the P. Good luck, anything is worth a try.
  • csuftitanscsuftitans Posts: 215
    Nate, what do you want to know about the door panel removal. I've removed it so many times now; very easy task to do. there're two screws inside the door pockets that you have to removed (take out the cover first). One screw near the hinges, with round cover. I think that's it, then pull out the bottom part first, then work your way to the side. when all plugs (i don't know what you call those things that's holding the door) are pulled, then to take the door panel out, push it up slowly. then take off all the connector for power windows, door locks, etc. Just remember than when you want to put the door back, it's a lot easier to do it with the window down.

    Good Luck and have fun.
  • kcm8419kcm8419 Posts: 121
    I bought my '02 S at just under $25,000 in Feb. Something that you may want to look at is the date the car was made. Check on the inside of the drivers door jamb for this date, it will give you the month and year. This will give you an idea of how long the dealer has had the car sitting on their lot. If they have had it on their lot for awhile it could work in your favor for getting a better deal. The only draw back is in the special edtion, since it is in limited numbers will mostly likely hurt you a bit.

    Good Luck.
  • Millennia owners,

    You folk are driving one of the most beautiful cars on the road. I love my Maxima but I have always liked the Millennia as well. It is a shame Mazda was able to design a car with a look that never looks outdated, but feature wise is behind the competition. Did any of you consider the Maxima before buying the Millennia? Why did you choose the Millennia over the Max?
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 853
    Why did you buy the Max over the Millenia? Did you look at any other models?
  • speedracer3speedracer3 Posts: 650
    maximase2002,

    I own a 2000 Maxima SE and a 2001 Millenia P. Needless to say that I am fond of both.
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 853
    Thanks for posting. You are the best one then to compare these two(Max and Millenia). How do they compare in the following areas: build quality(fit and finish), gas mileage, interior noise, drivers' seat comfort, long-term dependability, auto transmission, overall handling, steering effort or control, and overall ride comfort.
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Quote maximase2002: "Why did you choose the Millennia over the Max?"

    I set out convinced I would buy a 2001 Maxima last August. Before doing that, I decided to do comparison testing of the Max, '02 Camry, '02 Altima (not released at that time), and Avalon. Over a period of two weeks I hit at least two dealers of each of those Models. Frankly, I found them all nice, but was underwhelmed by them all.

    I found some of the styling of the Max, to put it kindly, Quirky. There was far more road noise than I expected ( I drove all three versions), and the ride was too firm for my taste, even on the GXE and GLE. Still I made a bid for a GXE at $23000 but the sales manager wanted to argue over an additional $300. I refused.

    The Toyota dealers were far too proud of the new Camry, with the best price I could get just $200 under MSRP (manufacturers suggested ripoff price). I also refused that.

    I was offered the cloth seat Avalon for $24000, but again was underwhelmed, especially by the shoebox styling.

    I had read so much about the cheap interior of the new Altima, that I wrote them off. I was looking for some semblance of luxury, not cheapo.

    I had not even thought of the Millenia due to Mazda's total lack of promoting it in ads. Once again I checked the new car ads in the Tampa Tribune, and came across the Millenia advertised at somewhere around $20000, but that turned out to be a come on, and that particular car had "already been sold". LOL. I inquired about the price of other Millenias on that lot, and the rude salesman refused to talk anything but MSRP. I walked off ready to give up and just run the wheels off my '95 Olds 88. But I couldn't get those beautiful Millenias out of my mind, and on the way home stopped at another Mazda lot. Bingo!

    About 6 gorgeous Millenias sitting there, an extremely courteous and helpful salesman, and then a sales manager who took me seriously when I told him I wanted rock bottom out the door price. Test drove a "P" and fell in love with it. Back in the office they offered a bottom line price $8000 off the silly MSRP plus the $995 wax job. $21680 (less than $23000 otd). Not being totally stupid, I knew that was it.

    With over 5000 trouble free and enjoyable miles on the odometer now, it has been the best decision I have made in my 60 years of car ownership. That's about 20 cars to date.
  • speedracer3speedracer3 Posts: 650
    " How do they compare in the following areas: build quality(fit and finish), gas mileage, interior noise, drivers' seat comfort, long-term dependability, auto transmission, overall handling, steering effort or control, and overall ride comfort."

    Fredvh,

    Build Quality: The Millenia has the edge here, there is more attention to detail in the Mazda. The quality of materials is better in the Millenia. But don't let that fool you, the Maxima is a well built car.

    Gas Mileage: I get better gas mileage with the Maxima. For some reason the 2.5L V6 in the MM is a gas guzzler compared to the VQ engine in the Maxima. Although if you are getting a 2002 Maxima with the bigger 3.5L V6 so things might be different in your case.

    Interior Noise: The Millenia has a more quiet luxury ride. The Maxima growls like a sport car when pushed hard, but it is an very quiet at high speeds.

    Seat Comfort: Maxima all the way. The Millenia seems crammed to me and the seats feel too small. There is a lot more room to strech out and get confy in a Maxima.

    Reliability (long term): Either one should be very reliable.

    Auto Tranny: My pet peeve about the Millenia. I really do not like the 4 speed auto. It is NOT a smooth shifting tranny and it is not unusual for it to start hunting for gears. Needless to say the Maxima tranny is much smoother.

    Steering: The Millenia has that overboosted luxury steering. The Maxima does have give you more razor sharp steering responses.

    Ride: This is really a matter of taste. If you like a luxury ride the MM is more for your taste. If you like sport (like me) the Maxima SE has a more taut sporty ride.

    Again, two great cars with different personalities. The Maxima is my daily driver. Wife drives the MM. I do like the Maxima's room and sportiness, and love the Millenia's great looks and luxury feel.

    Hope this helps

    Speed
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    "Seat Comfort: Maxima all the way."

    This is funny to me, because when my wife first sat down in a Max she looked startled. I ask what was wrong, and she asked why the seat was so hard. I think perhaps a very large person might perceive a small difference in size, but I actually measured the seat in a Max and compared it to the Millenia. Guess what. The Maxima's driver's seat was three quarters of one inch wider than the Millenia's. I personally can't feel the size difference, and the seats in my Millenia are extremely comfortable, even on a 3000 mile vacation. I have a sometime painful lower back, and the power lumbar support is very helpful. But even with it on maximum setting I would like a slight bit more push in my lumbar area.

    It is interesting though to compare your view and mine on the same seats, and see the difference in perception. Goes to show the only way to know is to try it for yourself.
  • speedracer3speedracer3 Posts: 650
    Fwatson,

    I am not a big fan of leather, so my Maxima seats are cloth. The cloth seats are a lot softer and more supportive than the ones in the Millenia. I have never measured the Maxima seats, but I did have the perception that they were wider than the MM seats.
  • I'm new to this board,

    Someone asked why did I chose the Max over the MM, I don't want to flame anyone but the Maxima just excelled in every area over the MM and the resale value on the MM is a shame.
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Quote: "the Maxima just excelled in every area over the MM".

    ++++++++++++++++++

    Hmm, a very interesting UNBIASED opinion. I also have one. X=Advantage.

    Catagory -------------- Maxima ------- Millenia
    Horsepower -------------- X
    Styling ---------------------------------- XXXXXXXX
    Quality of materials ----------------------- X
    Quality of assembly ----------------------- X
    Quality of paint ----------------------------- X
    Paint Application -------------------------- X
    Ride Quality -------------------------------- X
    Noise Intrusion ---------------------------- X
    Rear Suspension -------------------------- X
    Repair History ----------- X ---------------- X
    Standard Features ------------------------- X
    Handling ------------------ X ---------------- X
    Real World Price --------------------------- X
    Depreciation ------------ 1/2x

    +++++++++++++++++++++++
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 853
    I see your X chart up above but am a little confused when in the "repair history" and the "handling" categories both models receive an X. Is this because they are equal in these categories?
    What kind of gas mileage are you getting now on your Millenia? I have read a couple of reviews that say the Millenia does not get "good" gas mileage. I forget what engine you have. Do you use premium? You and I have talked before about the Millenia, ES300, Maxima, I35, Honda, and the Accord which I am considering. I want quality built, comfortable, affordable service costs, and long-term dependability.
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    First about the chart. These are my observations from having read extensively online about both vehicles, and having driven all models of both cars. If both have an X, neither has an advantage.


    I own a 2001 MM "P". That has the 2.5L, naturally aspirated V-6.


    With 5280 miles on the car, all while using 87 octane (regular unleaded)gasoline, I have averaged 20mpg city--27 to 28mpg highway, and an overall average of 22.2mpg. If they wish to call that poor milage for a 3400 pound four door sedan, they have that right. I do not agree.


    My references to Repair History are based on both Consumer Reports Magazine, and Carpoint Reliability Ratings which you can access here:


    http://carpoint.msn.com/home/reliability_ratings.asp


    Select any car you want to check and compare them yourself. Be sure to check the reason for any Red and White X, or Yellow and Black exclamation point, by clicking on that mark. Green and White checkmarks are the best.


    The subjective topics, such as comfort, you need to judge for yourself by driving all the cars you are interested in.

  • speedracer3speedracer3 Posts: 650
    I would add a number of things to your list that favor the Maxima.

    More Interior Room
    More Trunk Space
    Better Stereo
    Better Ergonomics
    6 speed available
    Nav. system available
    Sport Suspension
    Faster
    Beter Engine
    Better Tranny
    Better Fuel Economy
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