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  • The roads in Austria are excellent.Most people
    have a good knowledge of English.They will except
    your Visa and Master card.From Munich you can drive to Salzburg.Then drive to Spitz,a rustic
    town along the Donau ( Wachau Region ), stay overnight.Take the boat ride to Krems and return.
    You may want to visit Vienna.If you do, take a hotel in the suburbs and take the train to the
    center.It's high season, you might see your neighbor.Everywhere you go, you will find friendly
    people.The food is out of this world, and you can't beat the scenery. Enjoy the trip.
  • ts530ts530 Posts: 6
    The adv.fee was added on to the bottom line. The amount was $350 which by the way they forgot to add at the time of the sale. The rest of the deal and the way I was treated were fine. I don't have a bmw dealer within 25 miles of my home and Shaull bmw is about 45mi. Also, Faulkner bmw in Lancaster was a consideration but nearly 3 weeks after making an inquiry on a 530, I got no reply. They have only a few cars in their inventory compared to the other 2 I went to.
  • You will absolutely enjoy Euro Delivery. BMW makes every effort to make the process as easy as possible.

    The best part is driving around in a powerful car on the Autobahn. Most european cars have smaller engines (including BMWs, for example they make a 520i and a 530 DIESEL) due to the cost of fuel. Your American-spec car will be a hot rod compared to most others, and everybody races everybody on the Autobahn.

    You will be amazed at how effortlessly you cruise at 100 m.p.h. (the limit before break-in).

    Regarding road signs, they are the "international" type which you should generally recognize. Two IMPORTANT differences in Germany: a) a round white sign with three light gray lines through it means "all restrictions (including speed) are lifted", and b) a diamond-shaped white sign with a yellow center and black outline means you are on a "priority road" when coming to an intersection. Think of it as the opposite of a yield sign. THAT was kind of hard to get used to. Just assume you never have the right of way and I guess you'll be fine!

    Some great places we particularly enjoyed include Fussen (where the "original" Cinderella's castle is located), and Bamberg, where ther's a hotel literally in the middle of a river: the St. Nepomuk.

    For that matter, turn your car back in Munich (generally has be to be on a weekday, though you can make special arrangements for an extra fee) and stay your last weekend there. Be sure to stay near the pedestrian area in the center of the city. Tons to see and you won't miss having a car at all.

    We've been to Germany 4 times, and my vocabulary is about 100 words (bier, etc.). They study English in school so everyone knows a little... What's particularly amusing is when you speak to them in German and they respond in perfect English (not like the French!). Have fun!
  • I currently own a 2001 Toyota Avalon. However, I am looking to purchase a 1998 BMW 328iA. Can you please tell me about the reliability of BMW 3-series, and also about their maintenance costs relative to a Toyota Avalon or Lexus. Thanks.
  • snagielsnagiel Posts: 750
    The 328 will drive circles around your Avalon, but don't expect it to be as reliable (not that the BMW's bad, but Toyota/Lexus is about as good as it gets). Consumer Reports rates it as more reliable than average (for the category), I believe.

    I suggest you ask further on the 3-series board, though.
  • Has anyone ever negotiated down the the Euro Delivery price? It seems that the margin of "Euro Retail" to "Euro Invoice" is about the same percentage as US Retail to US Invoice. With the extra work involved, though, the dealers may not want to discount at all.

    I am looking at a 530 5-speed with premium package, rear sunshade, Xenon, and rear airbags in either Silver/Black Leather or Topez Blue/Sand Leather. I would have considered the K. Beige, but I have not seen it.

    Anyone have the Lumbar support or Premium sound system and have any comments? I have had back problems and would like the high-end sound, but the budget line has to be drawn somewhere.

  • lgrosslgross Posts: 55
    You should be able to negotiate Euro Delivery price down the same way as domestic delivery. A reasonable deal is $1400 over Euro-delivery invoice and there are no MACO (advertising) charges on Euro Delivery. However, some marketing areas have a "rule" that there are no discounts on euro deliveries. Just go do a different marketing area.

    You will find the comfort seats well worth the price if you have a back problem. They offer more adjustments than just the lumbar support. Even those without back problems should find them worthwhile.
  • snagielsnagiel Posts: 750
    Yes, it is possible to negotiate down the price for ED, but probably only with dealers familiar with the process (many may honestly believe it's impossible and decline to do it because of all the paperwork involved for them just to do ED). Ask around here and for suggestions about dealers in your area.

    First, I highly recommend the sport package. It doesn't have adjustable lumbar support, but it's more than ample in my opinion. And those seats hug you well, and the suspension tuning is sublime. Go test it out at your dealer to see the differences (and feel free to test the comfort seats as well).

    As for premium sound, this is a highly debated topic. I got it and am very pleased with the system. However, others rightly point out you can probably do better for the $1200 (although you'll have to research components and find a good place to install them, and integration with the factory head-unit may not be as clean as it is with DSP). My recommendation: Bring your favorite CD to your dealer and spend some time with both the standard (which you may find more than acceptable) and the DSP systems.

    Good luck.
  • I got a price of 1800 over invoice (plus got 5.9% financing) on an ED BMW 530i (5-spd, sport/ premium) last spring. Paid $38.9 whereas US MSRP was $44.5. ED is NOT that much work for the dealer and, very importantly, the car does NOT come out of their allocation (as long as it's not an M-Series, Z8, etc.) So, in that sense it's an extra car they get to sell.

    You can get a great deal that way.
  • Thanks for the responses.

    At 6'3", I do not like the comfort seats since the extra shoulder support is too low for me, actually making low back support worse. My back has been mostly under control lately, but I would like enough support for 2 weeks touring Europe and some driving vacations in coming years. The standard seats are fairly comfortable, and I have not found many lumbar controls in other makes that help much.

    I would like the Sport package, but pricing and dealing with winter tires make me hesitate. I will give the standard sound system a "test drive".

    I am in central NJ, and the Freehold dealer has done ED and has one in the works for this May. Today when I brought up ED, my sales person stated "With Euro Delivery, the price is the price." I haven't pushed him yet, and I'll see what I can do on Monday. There are about 3 other dealers I could try, one near my work, the others are less convenient.

    I am looking for delivery June 24 and was just able to hold 4 frequent flyer seats to Munich June 22/23 and return from Paris July 9. There should be plenty of time to set this up.

    Thanks again, Bob
  • Can anyone recommend a dealer in Southern California that will negotiate on a European Delivery 530?

    The dealer near me is trying to tell me that ED is non negotiable.

    Thank you,
    E. Stone
  • lgrosslgross Posts: 55
    Try Wide World of Cars in NY just over the border. See Barney Friedman. There are also 2 or 3 dealers in NJ North of I80 that deal on ED.

    Comfort seat lumbar support moves up and down as well as in and out. I don't know about the regular seats.
  • Patelli:

    I would try Southbay or Steve Thomas, and stay away from Beverly Hills and Santa Monica, if price, knowledge and service are important. I can't speak to either's experience with Euro delivery. And for everyone heading to Muenchen, try traveling south to Northern Italy - such as Garda. The food and weather are far better than anything in Bavaria or Austria - I know my Deutsch friends would readily agree.
  • Yeah, I got the same story AT FIRST on ED pricing. In fact, the first dealer I went to said they were "forbidden by BMW" to discount the price.

    In later discussions, guess what? They countered with a discounted price after I had obtained one elsewhere. I ended up buying from the dealer who was straight with me from the outset (even though he was located farther away).

    Remember, there are many salespeople out there who can look you in the face and tell you a bald-faced lie. There's no excuse for that, except that at some "old school" dealerships these behaviors are encouraged if not mandated.
  • Always though of a BMW as a unique vehicle, but once I saw the pics of the new 5 I realised that it won't be any more. IMHO the new 5 looks so much like lexus GS.

    just look at the rear door at

    down at the bottom of the page

  • bschaefer - please email me, I might be a able to get you a better deal than $808 off list (which is laughable). Thx.
  • Just went to local BMW dealer here in South Florida and trying to decide between 325/330/525/530. Trying to stay under 40K for the car, but willing to spend a little extra for the right specs. Can anyone offer what I can expect to pay for these vehicles? The dealer seems to be pushing the 525s. Is this engine underpowered?
  • snagielsnagiel Posts: 750
    First, only you can determine what's underpowered. If you're looking for a quick sports sedan, the other three models you mentioned would fit the bill better, but if you're looking for a luxury car with more features than the 3-series and handles extremely well (especially with the sport package), the 525 may fit the bill.

    But stay true to your budget. If you're looking to keep it under 40k, do yourself a favor and don't even look at the 5-series. My 530i--well loaded with almost everything except nav--stickered for a hair under 49k, and I bought it for $46.5. But with taxes, fees, and a couple of accessories, it came to $50k.

    If I were you, I'd first drive the 325i. You may find it offers everything you need and want. If you still need more power, look at the 330i, which fails to impress almost no one. I elected the 530i because I found the 330 cramped by comparison and its interior was not as well designed or constructed of as fine materials.

    But it's a hoot to drive, and if my cap were 40k the choice would have been easy--the 330.
  • I went to the dealer looking for the 3 series, but my wife fell in love with this titaniam silver 525 base without auto trans. I think the only options were premium and Zenons and stickered about 40Kish I think. Wife can drive stick because we drove a Volvo 240 stick for over ten years. I was not impressed with 325 stock audio and cannot remember what the stock audio in the 5 series is like? I have a feeling dealer would like to move this car for a good price? Would an offer of Invoice be unheard of in the BMW world? Thanks for the help!
  • snagielsnagiel Posts: 750
    Inovoice for a BMW is generally rare, but apparently there's still 2001 525's around dealers are just itching to get rid of, and I wouldn't be surprised if they'd sell them at or near invoice. (By the way, the "invoice" prices you find out on this site and others aren't the final price the dealer pays. He may get back refunds based on volume sales, customer satisfaction ratings, and other factors.)
    So, basically, give it a shot.
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