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  • snagiel
    Thanks for the reply
    I agree with you on the sheepskins and brake dust covers. I was just hoping someone had a different idea to make those sport seats a little softer.
  • snagielsnagiel Posts: 750
    Well, perhaps I wasn't being fair. That jab was directed more at winter tires than all-seasons, since winters' typically blocky tread pattern are usually amongst the loudest tires. I don't have any evidence that suggests high performance tires are generally quieter than all-seasons, but that's been my personal (albeit limited) observation.

    Aside from rolling noise, however, is susceptability to adhesion-related squealing; all-seasons with less traction will break loose and howl easier than their high performance brethren.
  • Hi Everyone,

    Sorry to interrupt with non-technical questions but just returned from Munich where I did ED for my 530i on Monday and had a great experience.

    I feel bad for the customers of those BMWs
    (and Volvos and Saabs) of the "Tricolor" ship that sunk in the English Channel, spoke to my BMW dealer and mine wasn't on the boat, but apparently there were quite a few BMW custom orders and ED's on that ship headed to many BMW dealerships in USA.

    I'm told that if you are one of the unfortunate ones awaiting delivery that BMW will contact you directly and very soon.

    I hope that's very few of you on this board.

    LA Caroline
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,822
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  • pap5pap5 Posts: 144
    After admittedly limited use, I find that the Dunlop Winter Sport M2s are actually quieter than my regular Michelin Pilot Primacies. At 17K miles, the latter have started to develop a low howl at speed that I don't recall being there before. In addition to strong snow/slush performance, the M2s so far are impressive on dry pavement too, although I haven't cornered them anywhere near the limit. At this point, I definitely advocate the idea of speciality tires (performance tires for 3 seasons + winter tires) that collectively do everything well, rather than one set of all-seasons that do everything adequately, at best.

    Snagiel, re replacing the Contis at 17K: Sounds like a compound that doesn't emphasize tread life (what's the rating?) . . . or perhaps driving style? If only the outside edges are showing accelerated wear, it can't be inflation pressure, which I assume you're meticulous about anyway.
  • snagielsnagiel Posts: 750
    Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I don't measure tire pressure as often as I should; probably every 6-8 weeks. I'm actually approaching 13k miles, not 17k, but indeed the outer edge is worn down close to the minimum level on the rears (fronts are somewhat more respectable).

    Nevertheless, it may be on the low side, but certainly not out of the normal range with the Conti's, from what I've heard. They're only rated at 160, which is certainly low even amongst performance tires (Bridgestone S-03's are 220, I think).

    I suspect my driving style is mostly to blame; I don't abuse the car, but I certainly drive it in the spirited manner which it's designed for and seems to beg for.
  • Sorry it took so long to respond, been busy with comnpany, etc.

    It was a bad ignition switch according to my dealer, Shelly BMW (Southern California). I thought it was really strange so I questioned it because I didn't understand what the ignition switch had to do with the SRS system. The technician took his time and wrote the explanation in detail in the work order. I was very impressed. I don't have the work order with me now however if you are interested I can get it when I go home and let you know. My extended warranty company (1Source) paid for most of the repair, about $250, I had to pay a little over $100. 1Source came through for me again, I have been pleased with them so far.

    Spyderred,
  • With four winter tires similar to Blizzak, will I have difficulty driving in snow. I'm looking at a new 530 with auto (no sport) or a A6 3.0. I live in New England. thanks
  • snagielsnagiel Posts: 750
    All things being equal, the A6 will be more sure-footed in those dreaded Nor'eastahs. But with proper winter tires the RWD 530 should fare reasonably well in all but the worst conditions. If you don't have a backup Land Rover and must be in the office every day at 8:30, Quattro becomes a very compelling advantage, but otherwise I think you'd be satisfied with 5.
  • mschukarmschukar Posts: 351
    I would venture to say that a 530 w/Blizzak's would be better than 75% of the vehicles out there. It should handle and stop better (be safer) than any car or SUV with all season tires regardless of how many wheels are driven.

    -murray
  • I live in New England (New Hampshire) and drive a 02 530iA (non sport). I mounted 4 Blizzak WS-50's to the standard rims and so far the car has been great in the snow/ice. I'm sure the dedicated winter tires help but I have found that my BMW handles better then some of my previous cars (00 Honda Accord EX-V6, 97 Ford Explorer, 96 Maxima SE). I believe the DSC and the near 50/50 balance contribute to the car's good winter handling.

    Would the Quattro system found in the Audi be an asset for winter driving? Yes. But do I find that I need the Quattro. No.

    Chris
  • pap5pap5 Posts: 144
    Our main family vehicles are an AWD Volvo wagon on all-season tires, and an '01 530iA on new dedicated Dunlop winter tires. I drove both during or immediately after our first decent snow of the season, ~6 in. a couple of weeks ago. From a "go" standpoint, I found them to be roughly equivalent. I didn't press either car close enough to the limits imposed by conditions to be able to assess differences in cornering and stopping, but have to believe that winter tires would provide an edge in those situations. If we lived deep within the Snow Belt, with frequent, deep snows and winter temperatures rarely above freezing, I'd put winter tires on the AWD and feel very confident in almost any situation.

    All bets are off when it comes to heavy icing conditions. Last week, we had freezing rain; on my sloping and curved driveway, this was freezing rain on top of ice left over from the previous snow (okay, with my middle-aged back, I've gotten lazy about shoveling). As soon as I backed the 530 out of the garage, the going got hairy. Progress down the driveway was incremental, a series of short responses to steering input followed by all four corners surrendering traction and the car sliding straight down the slope toward the mailbox. The street, also curved and sloping downhill, was no better, at least on my side of the cul-de-sac, untreated from the previous week's storm. Moving forward was no better than moving backward, and this time the target in my path was not a mailbox, but my old Z car parked at the curb. I finally edged over to treated roadway, and the rest of the trip to work was uneventful. I suspect that the winter tires helped, but nothing short of studs would have provided a comfortable margin of control in those conditions.
  • moments. I live in Southern California now, but I used to live in Chicago for 10 years and had only rear wheel drive sports cars then. I will never forget the time I was in my '88 Toyota Supra turbo, came to this overpass going about 25mph. The streets were fairly clean from the previous snow storm but not completely. I guess there was a small layer of snow which became ice overnight that was not very visible. I had to barely touch my brakes and change lanes briskly to avoid the guy in front of me that decided that he wanted to suddenly be in my lane for no reason at all. Now the fun begins, rear ends breaks loose, goes left, right, left, right, then I am doing a donut right on the bridge. After a few fearful seconds, I end up facing in the direction I am traveling in, my car stops about 4 inches from the guardrail that prevents cars from going over the bridge unto the freeway below.
    Scary moments. I kind of miss that. Nah, not really. On my way to work this morning at 5:30am, the temp was a balmy 48 degrees. Boy it was cold. Yea, Yea, I know, I am spoiled now, but hey I paid my dues. 10 years in Chicago is plenty.
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    div2... Did you happen to see recent article in AutoWeek, probably from about a month ago, discussing how McLaren dropped plans to make serious performance versions of LS? Way back at beginning of year, thinking around time of NY AutoShow, McLaren said they'd offer upgrades that would seriously boost power and there would also be a manual transmission version. If you got it all, thinking cost was supposed to be around $54,000 or thereabout. AutoWeek article mentioned McLaren scrapping these plans due to all the LSs sitting on dealers' lots and the need for huge incentives in an attempt to move them. Left McLaren to ponder offering just aero mods and other visual enhancements.
  • 2002 year-to-date as of the end of November:


    BMW 5 series sedan: 33,828

    Lincoln LS: 35,585


    Of course, if you add in the 1,779 5-series wagons sold here in 2002, BMW edges Lincoln by a whopping 22 units. Guess sales numbers are a matter of perspective...


    Gold trim, BTW, isn't exclusive to domestics or Asian imports.


    http://www.eclipse-auto.com/bmw_gold.htm

  • The LS is available as a rental car through Hertz (quite a few of them here in CA). Usually this influences the sales numbers :-).
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    BMW would use 0.0 percent financing for 60 months and $3,000-5,000 in rebates and incentives to move 5 Series. Bet sales would explode! But then the crushing impact on resale value is brutal when you go to sell the car a few years later. Cadillac and Lincoln just never learn.
  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    Yep, those huge rebates and financing incentives are simply destroying the resale values of domestic cars. Lincoln and others are also offering early lease termination deals to coax current owners into buying/leasing another one.
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