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  • cmybimmergocmybimmergo Posts: 265
    Are there any 02 530 5-spd drivers out there who DON'T get north of 24 mpg? (Besides me.)

    FWIW, and for comparison, I got 23 mpg for 12 years with my ES300. (It was so consistent that it became kind of a joke.) This is smack in the middle of the EPA range for that car, so I don't think it is unreasonable to expect similar performance with my 5er. Meaning that I ought to be seeing more like 25-26 mpg. And with gas costing $2.399 a gallon, the fewer fill-ups I need, the better.
  • 530ir1150r530ir1150r Posts: 263
    It was $2.469 Thursday.
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    Funny, My former 323i got 23.5 in about 40/60 combined cycle every time That was figuring by hand , did not have OBC.

    For Comparison I spent $43.01 to put 22 gallons in my Yukon at 384 miles and $1.96 for 87 oct. About 17.4 mpg. That was the same 40/60 driving.

    DL
  • Hi board! Newbie here (non-owner), thought I'd branch out on another board but I guess the mods didnt feel it was warranted, so here I am. I basically cut and pasted the below questions from the dead post. So here goes...

    While conducting research through out the discussion boards, I discovered that, (for first time BMW buyers that is) there wasn’t a specific board dedicated to inquire about specific options / feature package mixes.
     
    Eager to learn every detail of the 5 Series, (In terms of features both optional and standard) I can before giving up any cash. I decided to create / start this aspect of BMW....the Options and Features!
     
    To name a few for example, I will start with seats. Seats are very important. Especially since this is 75% of driving.
     
    Is it possible to have both luxury and sport seats? Better yet, is there such a thing called luxury sport seats? Can you combine the two?
     
    A couple of Rover drivers tell me that Leatherette last longer, or holds up well compared to actual leather. Any info? How are your leather or leatherette seats holding up? Or did you opt for Upholstery?
     
    On the Ventilated Front seats, also known as “butt fans”, Can you really notice a difference? Is it a fan, or is it an air-conditioned seat?
     
    I really like the padding on the optional 20-way comfort seats. Nothing more, I just really like them and felt I should mention that.
     
    Making the decision to purchase a 5 series was somewhat easy, but finally deciding what features and options down to the “t” is pretty tough.
    If you have purchased a particular option / feature, and are happy with it or not. I would like to hear your experience.
     
    I read on the boards that SMG was a bit of a “novelty item”. Thought about it, $1500 for SMG and once the “newness” wears off I’ll never use it? That’s why I love these boards. Someone will open your eyes in some way shape or form to make you ask yourself, Do I need it or do I want it?
     
    Thanks in advance!
    Tango Delta
     
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,552
    Amazing... I only stopped in Georgetown because I was about empty.. I was at the Delaplain Rd Shell.. I'm usually on the short end of that fluctuation.. Nice to save $0.15/gallon for a change..

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  • cmybimmergocmybimmergo Posts: 265
    Of course, if you'll come out twice a year and pick up the off-season set, and take them home and store them for me, I could be persuaded to make that change...
  • 530ir1150r530ir1150r Posts: 263
    I'm actually talking about the Shell on US 25 in Georgetown, but all 4 stations in town are usually the same. Not sure about relationship with Delaplain Road.

    In this area, Winchester is usually 10 cents higher and Frankfort is 2-3 cents less. I try to avoid reformulated or oxygenated gas, so I cannot compare to Lexington, Louisville or Northern Ky.

    Also, there is an old Shell station (20's or 30's) north of Georgetown that has been turned into a nursery. It is between Corinth and Sadieville.
  • prophetprophet Posts: 72
    Was looking to trade in my 03 530i for another 05 one. After driving the 05 BMW, 06 GS300, and 06 Infinity M35, I bought the M35. I didn't like the new BMW looks (eyebrows, bustle rear, + non-intuitive idrive) nor the GS300 softness. The M35 gives the best of all worlds. Also, it's quicker than my 530i. My BMW was a good car but the factory service intervals & dealer attitude aren't what they should be.
  • robopoprobopop Posts: 15
    Just to make you really feel badly, I just got back from a DC to NYC trip and averaged (from the time I got on the expressways in DC till the Holland Tunnel) 30.5 mpg and 68 mph. This is with a 01 530 steptronic and includes rest stops, rapid accelerations from toll booths, etc. Normally I average about 22 mpg with lots of short trips mixed with some expressway driving, and being fairly aggressive. I get better mileage with the BMW than with our 98 Camry - talk about a difference in driving too!
  • cmybimmergocmybimmergo Posts: 265
    Keep those cards and letters coming, folks! The more of you who swear to great mileage, the better for me when I take my :lemon: (?) to the dealer.
  • mabodmabod Posts: 11
    I was set on buying the 545 after driving it as well as the 530. Now the 530XI excites me as I live in Colorado. Have any of you used Dinan or others to beef up a 530? I want 545 feel with the 530XI awd. Probably can't have it but do any of these after market add ons really add much ?

    thanks
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Even Dinan admits that in this era of OBD-II, there just isn't much that can be done to a normally aspirated engine (short of breathing on it with a turbo/super charger of course). The fact is that the new 3.0 Liter I6 mill from BMW is MUCH freer breathing than was the pervious motor with its induction limiting throttle butterflies (the new engine uses dynamic valve lift and duration to throttle the engine). As such, I would think that the new motor would suffer from the effects of altitude to a somewhat lesser degree than the older engine. In your case it's really too bad that the Europe only Turbo Diesel 530d isn't available here in the States. Like you I've driven a number of turbo cars over the Rockies and the difference is nothing short of astounding. My bet is that a 530d would absolutely destroy a 545i over Loveland Pass. :shades:

    Oh, and by the way, have you considered a manual gearbox? I think that you'll find that a 530i with a 6-Speed manual transmission will perform nearly as well as a 545i with an automatic. I know that the BMW web site says that there is a 0.6 second difference between the two, however, I'm thinking that it might be a little less than that due to the fact that you can see the incline coming and already have the proper gear selected, even a good Automatic hasn't figured out how to do that yet.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • mabodmabod Posts: 11
    I'll wait for the 530XI to test drive. Hopefully they come stick as well as auto.

    No reason to rush as the new model might be very sweet. I di'i realize the 545 ate so much gas. It sure was a rocket though.

    thanks again
  • hihomikehihomike Posts: 111
    I have a 2005 525i, which after 6 months, I find to be too sluggish with only 184 hp. I just ordered a new 2006 530i (increased hp to 255) - was just wondering if anyone has had a chance to drive the 2006 530i and what they have experienced compared to the 2005 -
  • george94george94 Posts: 75
    I have 03 E39 530, 5sp SP and in my driving I have never had milage above 28. During my regular drives around the town it averages about 21 - 22 and on the highway it goes to 27 - 28. I do drive fast and probably faster on the freeway than most folks (around 80 - 90 mph). Frankly, even with the gas prices as they are this is not a concern to me. If you can afford these cars you should be able to pay for the gas as well. Ditto for the folks with SUVs with 40 gallon tanks
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Hehe, the only time the price of gas affected me with my 530i was when it was still in Europe. IIRC, on one occasion in France a fill up was over $100. Ouch. Then again since I had the car running between 90 and 100 before it was broken and between 120 and 130 after it was broken in, I guess the 24 mpg that I got was pretty good. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • Has anyone put an XM Commander in an E-39? Any guidance would be appreciated. The car is a 99.
  • srfastsrfast Posts: 138
    I just returned from a 645 mile round trip (NYC-Summit Point, WV) road trip. Most of the trip was highway driving and I averaged 30.1 MPG in my 2003 530i/5spd/SP. This is the best road trip car I've ever owned. I am looking forward to my drive to Montreal, Quebec in June for the Grand Prix.

    Regards...JL
  • cmybimmergocmybimmergo Posts: 265
    If you can afford these cars you should be able to pay for the gas as well.

    Buying a three year old car costs a whole lot less than buying new (which definitely was out of my price range). Having said that, I can afford to fill my tank; I prefer to spend my money elsewhere--or better yet, save it. What bothers me is that I don't seem to be getting the same mileage as everyone else. This offends my green side as well as my bank account.

    You might or might not remember that this discussion started with my complaints about uneven tire wear coupled with what I felt was lousy gas mileage. Everyone I consulted locally insisted that my expectations are unrealistic, but everyone on this board claims otherwise.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "Everyone I consulted locally insisted that my expectations are unrealistic, but everyone on this board claims otherwise."

    Ask yourself this, "How many of the folks that I consult locally drive an E39 530i 5-Speed as their daily driver?" If the answer is "some", then some of them have a point. If the answer is "all" then they all have a point. My bet is that the real answer is "none", in which case they are all full of hot air. We all know that your car isn't puttin' out like it should, and for my part at least, I'm urging you to continue to search for the cause.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • 530ir1150r530ir1150r Posts: 263
    Update:

    50745 miles, 52.5 MPH, 26.4 MPG.

    Again, this from day 1, but if they disconnect the battery on the boat over, it is from a little over 1900 miles.

    Also, if someone thinks I am lying, I will pay their airfare here if they will pay me $1.00/mile both ways to wherever if I am not lying.
  • cmybimmergocmybimmergo Posts: 265
    We could fill a hot air ballon with all the hot air flying around. (Some drive bimmers, just not E39 530i 5 spds, and the rest make a living working on them. You would think they might have some idea what they are talking about...but as we all have found out here, you would be wrong.)

    I have not given up on this; perseverance (stubborness?) is my middle name. Today it goes to the franchise dealer.

    Something did occur to me recently, though, so I'm going to ask. I have been driving 5 spds for something like 25 years (yikes...I don't feel that old!). But they all have been Toyota or Lexus. Is there something different about the shift points on the bimmer that would translate to reduced mileage because I'm in the wrong gear for the speed I'm driving? I tend to shift to 5th at 45-50 mph (2500-3200 rpm), and sometimes when I'm cruising at 40 (two lane roads with slow traffic and lots of speed traps) I stay in 5th.
  • sdg380sdg380 Posts: 109
    Just a few comments if I might on various topics.

    CMYBIMMERGO, I don't question the mileage numbers others post, since an E39 530 is capable of good highway mileage (not too heavy, and decent drag coefficient), and everyone drives differently, but the average numbers recently posted by Edmunds (our host) on their long term E39 (21.1 mpg) are more consistent with my own experience, which is somewhat spirited, mostly around town driving. I do not think your car is underperforming. March '05 report: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/LongTerm/articleId=102443

    TANGODELTA, I'd only remind you that options can really bulk up the price of a car, with precious few of those extra $$ seen at resale. So I'd suggest choosing the options you feel like YOU will enjoy, for the money, during your years of ownership. I think the stock seats are great, but if you like the comfort seats, just figure that will be money out of pocket during your ownership. Likewise upgraded sound system. Leather seats are probably an exception, not only do they wear well (102k miles on my E34 and they held up great), but their absence could somewhat inhibit resale for cars of this cost level. I'm on record here saying that SMG is a novelty (with some reliability issues to boot) that I think you can live without, if you want to shift yourself, buy a stick (but prepare to get hammered at resale since not many people can drive stick), if you have to share with a non-stick driver, opt for a conventional auto, everyone can enjoy it and this will be a non-issue at resale.(lots of discussion of SMG on www.E60.net.) Seats with fans? Probably a nice feature if you live in a warm climate, and might see a little back at resale in that same market, but we've all been getting by pretty well with just a/c all these years

    MABOD, Shipo is correct that only a turbo/super-charged engine can help compensate for the lower density of air at high altitude. Valvetronic (control of engine output by varying valve lift, rather than by restricting air intake with butterfly throttles) enhances power/mileage by eliminating the inefficiencies associated with restriction of air flow, but will not affect air density, and thus be subject to power loss at high altitude.
  • big_jimbig_jim Posts: 27
    But I ordered my 2006 530i today. Overall the process went very well, and I left with my production number in hand.

    is it here yet???????
  • big_jimbig_jim Posts: 27
    Out of curiousity, did you opt for snow tires and new rims or just the snow tires? I am just looking for some recommendations. I think I am sold on new rims for the snow tires, but am a little confused on what size to buy. I ordered my 530i with sport package today, and want to take care of getting the snow tires before it is too late. Also, did you get a different size rim like so many others here recommend?

    Thanks!
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I just checked TireRack and they have a very nice winter wheel and tire package for your 530i SP for $1,208 (plus shipping and taxes). Said package can be had for a little less money with less capable tires and less attractive wheels, but $1,208 ain't too shabby. The package consists of four 17 x 8 Borbet Type E Silver Wheels with a machined lip, priced at $149 each, and four 225/50 R17 Michelin Pilot Alpin PA2 tires, priced at $153 each.

    Generally speaking, the smaller the wheel size and the narrower the tire width the better it is for snow conditions (and the above is as small as it gets for your car). I have run 225 width tires on my 530i for the last three winters and even though two of the winters featured well over 100 inches of snow, my car simply plowed through it. Well, that's not quite true, one day last month the wind and snow conspired in such a way that the entire length of my 160 foot driveway was covered in a 3 foot deep drift while the rest of my front yard was down to the icy crust over yet another foot of snow. :-/

    I hope this helps.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • big_jimbig_jim Posts: 27
    That helps immensely. Frankly I was expecting that these rims and tires would set me back much more. It's always easier when someone tells me what to do :)

    I live in MN, and we have had two straight unseasonably snow free winters here in the Twin Cities. Now that I will not be driving an AWD SUV for the first time in 10 years, it's bound to be an ugly winter. And there's probably no need to wait...even though I don't need them for seven months, the 3 year warranty will still cover me for three winters if I order them now.

    Thanks again!!!
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Glad to be of service. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • pen101pen101 Posts: 238
    I noticed another major car magazine had a comparison test of cars in the 5-series class, this time cars costing $55K. The 530i came in 6th out of 8. Number one was the M45.

    What is happening to our beloved 5-series? It was always number 1.

    Other than the reasons the article stated (including relative weak engine performance, style and i-drive), I think it is a combination of these factors:

    1. Price - the E60 is not as price competitive as that of the E39, pushing the 530 into competition with cars with V8 engines
    2. Competition - no question the competition has made considerable improvement over the last few years

    P.S. since my first $50 fill-up last week, gas prices have gone up another 10 - 15 cents. Some stations around here are now at or over $3 a gallon for 91 octane. Next month I will be in Germany. After a few potential $100+ fill-ups, I know I will be happy with $50 fill-ups again when I return.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    A couple of things to keep in mind:

    1) The folks at the car magazine LOVE to slam iDrive, however, the folks here who already have it don't seem to mind it too much. In fact, unless I'm missing something, most actually seem to like it. Disconnect with the reviewers #1.

    2) They most likely (I haven't seen the review) compared a 2006 M45 with a 2005 530i, and that just ain't fair as the 2006 530i has the new 255 HP mill. Even still, the V8 in the M has something like an 80 HP cushion to offset BMWs (most likely) conservative 255 HP rating. I find myself wondering how a 2006 530i 6-Speed manual (or SMG) would do against the M45. The performance would probably be somewhat closer at the very least. Disconnect with the reviewers #2.

    3) My bet is that the new 2006 530i will easily be able to return WAY better gas mileage than the M45 (half again as much? Nah, too much to ask. ;-) ). However, in this era of increasing fuel costs, that is probably a factor that was somewhat overlooked in the review.

    Still and all, the new M was good enough to cause our fellow TownHaller MarkCincinnati (a perennial Audi driver) to order his first non-Audi in something like decades, so it must be pretty darn good. Ain't competition a wonderful thing? ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo

    P.S.
    Have fun in Germany. What kind of ride have you secured?
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