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  • hihomikehihomike Posts: 111
    Would like some feedback on the Premium Sound Package in the 5 series BMW. Is it significantly better than the standard system - in other words, is it worth the 1500-1700 investment?
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    545i Step 3814lbs 0-60 5.8 18/26 mpg
    530i Step 3494lbs 0-60 6.6 19/29mpg
    525i Step 3450lbs 0-60 7.6 18/28 mpg

    Kind of disappointing the lightweight 525 isnt rated any higher mpg. Some mentioned the 545i has being horrible mileage. It's quite better than most suv/trucks on the road. And basically the same as the New 525i.

    DL
  • cassidymcassidym Posts: 108
    hihomike, I sure donlt think so. I bought a 2005 545 last October without it. I listened to both the basic and the upgrade in numerous demo cars and I couldn't hear much of a difference, certainly not $1800 worth. The salesmen really tried hard to sell this option so much so that quickly got the impression it was a big profit maker for the dealership.

    Finally, I decided I could buy a hell of a nice sound system for my house for a lot less than BMW was charging.

    Bottom line: listen to both and decide whether it's worth it
  • sdg380sdg380 Posts: 109
    Mike, guess I would hesitate to use the word "investment" with respect to something like the premium sound system, since I remain of the view that there are many options (on all cars) that you you'll spend money for, and for which you'll get back precious little at resale time. For my untrained ears, the standard 10-speaker system sounds great, and is good enough, for others the upgrade may seem like money well-spent. As long as you feel that you will personally derive benefit commensurate with the extra cost, great, because I just don't think you'll get too much of that money back again. After all, it will still be the same chassis/drive-train underneath.
  • turnbowmturnbowm Posts: 76
    hihomike,

    Whether or not the Premium Sound Package is worth the extra money depends on your listening requirements. If you don't mind loading/listening to one CD at a time and find the sound quality of the standard sound system to be acceptable, then the PSP is probably NOT worth it to you.

    For me, however, I want the convenience of a 6-disc changer and the audible benefits of a 7-octave equalizer with DSP sound effects (Concert Hall, etc.) in the PSP. Must admit that I'm spoiled by a high-end audio system at home and a Nakamichi sound system in the wife's Lexus.

    Martin
  • hihomikehihomike Posts: 111
    Thanks, turnbowm, for the insight. I do like the equalizers and quality sound. I have satellite radio, so I don't have much need for multi-disc changer, however I now it is standard.

    But if the sound system is significantly better than the standard system, I definitly am going to get it. I love great sound, sometimes even more important than other features in a new car.
  • hihomikehihomike Posts: 111
    Thanks, sdg380. I did listen to both systems finally, and noticed more of a difference when listening to CD's and Satellite radio than on standard FM.

    Since I listen to Satellite more than anything else, I think I'm going to take the plunge and get it in my new 06 530i. It's due in next week to the dealer and will update forum on my evaluation when I finally hear it in the 06.

    Thanks, again
  • manybmwsmanybmws Posts: 347
    and cost effective...install an AudioBahn powered subwoofer for less than $500 installed on top of the standard audio system. Go with a 10" sub (I have had both and the 8" and the 10") since it is needed to get through the sound insulation on the 5-series.

    I have had high-end aftermarket ADS systems installed on Porsches in the past so my taste is more on the champagne side of audio...

    And I do have BMW Sirius satellite radio in my '03 530.
  • manybmwsmanybmws Posts: 347
    '06 525 and 530 use the same 3 liter engine. So less torque dragging around (nearly) the same weight = less gas mileage?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I'm thinking that the most likely reason that the E60 530i has a higher EPA mileage rating (per the BMWUSA web site) is that they are still posting 2005 numbers where the E60 used the previous generation if I6 engine. What that means is that the 525i did in fact have the smaller 2.5 liter mill coupled with shorter gearing (at least for the manual gearbox). To confirm that, I just checked the numbers posted on the BMWUSA site against the numbers that the EPA has published on their fueleconomy.gov site for 2005, and they match exactly. By the way, the above posted numbers are slightly off, according to both BMW and the EPA, the 525iA numbers should be 19/28, not 18/28.

    Having said all of that, I would still not be surprised to find that the 2006 x30i (as in 330i and 530i) will yield higher EPA numbers than the equivalent x25i. Why? Because the x30i versions have a three stage intake manifold as opposed to a two stage version on the x25i models. Said three stage manifold should allow for better fuel atomization at all speeds, and as a result be able to deliver more miles to the gallon. Time will tell on this one. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • fm1fm1 Posts: 20
    The car has following options:
    Premium pkg.
    Auto.
    Xenon
    Sat. prep.
    MSRP is $50045
    Dealer is willing to give $3000 discount. With no money down the lease payment should be $707/36mon/12k residual is 62%. If I put Tax and title down then monthly payment is $610. This is a onwer's choice lease.

    I would really appreciate if someone can tell me if this is a good deal or not. Do you think I should by 05 or wait for 06? I am not in a hurry.
    Thanks in advance.

    fm1
  • manybmwsmanybmws Posts: 347
    Looks like the BMWUSA site has mileage figures for the 2005 and 2006 5 Series.

    The 06 3 Series has TBDs so I don't think that BMW would post the wrong mileage numbers for the 5 Series and more likely would show TBDs if they didn't have them.

    Warmest Regards,
    Manybmws :shades:
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I'm thinking that when they updated the web site with the 2006 5-Series engine specs, that they forgot to "TBD" the mileage numbers. The reason I think this is that the new motors are supposed to be something like 12% more fuel efficient when compared to the 2005 mill, and as such, most (if not all) of the numbers for the 2006 525i and 530i should have changed (for the better), and of course, none of them did. What the BMW USA web site has posted for the entire 5-Series line up is exactly what the EPA has posted for the 2005 model year.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • manybmwsmanybmws Posts: 347
    http://www.e60.net/information/2006_5_Series_Brochure.pdf

    525i M 19/28
    530i M 20/30

    525i A 19/28
    530i A 19/29

    Gotta love the Interent!

    Warmest Regards,
    Manybmws
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Hmmm, well, so much for the hype about the 12% improvement in fuel economy. I was really hoping that the new mills would carry EPA highway ratings up in the low to mid 30s. No joy! :cry:

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • turnbowmturnbowm Posts: 76
    Recently purchased a new 2005 530i and am enjoying the car very much. Do have a couple of questions, however, as follows:

    1. After the car is shut off, hear a low-level buzzing sound coming from the engine compartment. The buzzing stops after approximately one minute. Is this normal and, if so, what is going on?

    2. When stopped, hear a "grunching" sound when the brake pedal is slightly released to move forward. Dealer says that this will disappear after the pads get seated in. Is this true or is he just putting me off?

    3. Tried to set up "roadside Assistance" using the iDrive several times and keep getting "data transmission" failure. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong:?

    Thanks in advance for any and all replies.

    Martin
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Regarding item number 1: While it may not be the same, my 2002 530i would reset the various Heating and Cooling vents whenever the car was turned off. My understanding was that it was to preserve the temperature as much as was possible inside the car, for as long as was possible. The noise of the vents re-positioning sounded very much like "low-level buzzing".

    Regarding item number 2: Well, maybe. How many miles do you have on the car? Under normal circumstances, pads should be "Bedded" within the first 10 miles, and fully broken in within 200 miles.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    Um, other than the fact the E60 weigh's roughly 200lbs? more than an E90, where did the 12% fuel improvement go ?

    DL
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,368
    1) Owner's choice really isn't a lease, it is a balloon payment program..

    2) Any reason why you can't do a regular lease? Are you in Illinois or Texas?

    3) On a regular 3yr/36K lease, the payment should be about $561/mo. + tax with only first payment and security deposit upfront..

    4) The lease deals should be much better on the '05s, unless of course, the dealer is giving you a bad deal.

    regards,
    kyfdx

    MODERATOR
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  • fm1fm1 Posts: 20
    Yes, I live in TX. And this is a lease unfriendly state. The sales person was telling me that in both cases(regular lease or owners choice) I will be paying full state sales tax upfront. In case of owner's choice, if I decide to keep the car after 36 mon., I can keep the car without paying sales tax again. The rates he qouted me for regular lease were $605/mon. Not a big difference. In case of regular lease I pay security deposit but in owner's choice I don't pay security deposite.
    Could you please tell me what is the money factor BMW is offering. One more thing, is this wise to purchase the vehicle at the end of owner's choice? Thanks for you help.

    Regards,
    fm1
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,368
    .00125 is the money factor on a regular lease.. Chances are good that they were marking that up.. Also, I assumed the base acquisition fee of $625, but they were probably marking that up by $200 also..

    Your own personal situation should determine whether you want to buy the car or not at lease end.. If you are certain that you are going to turn it in, then I don't see any advantage in doing owner's choice, unless you get a trade-in credit on your sales tax for the next car..

    If they are marking up the lease money factor, then I'm sure they are also marking up the rate on the owner's choice.. That might be costing you as much as $25-$40 per month more, just in finance charges..

    You are correct.. TX is unfriendly to leasers..

    regards,
    kyfdx

    MODERATOR
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  • cmybimmergocmybimmergo Posts: 265
    First tank of gas post-flash: 370.0 miles; 15.735 gallons (@$2.619 ouch!); 23.514 mpg.

    That's an improvement right there.

    The tech said something about maybe putting in a can of fuel injector cleaner; not sure whether he did it, but the hesitation I had been seeing in first and second gears when stepping on the gas seems to have disappeared.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "...but the hesitation I had been seeing in first and second gears when stepping on the gas..."

    Maybe I missed it, but I don't remember you posting anything about that symptom prior to now. It was that hesitation that caused me to seek out the new software. When I had my car in Germany, it ran flawlessly, however, once it got over here to the States, it ran like crap. It turned out that my dealership had "upgraded" the code in the car once it got States side, and that was what screwed it up. It was the final round of software that cleared it up for me as well. I'm still dubious about your needing to pay nearly a 'C' note to get the latest code, however, you should make that up on fuel costs alone, assuming of course this works out like we are all hoping it does. ;-)

    Keep us posted.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • cmybimmergocmybimmergo Posts: 265
    I don't remember you posting anything about that symptom prior to now.

    That's because I didn't say anything about it. It wasn't there when I bought the car, and by the time I noticed it, I was so busy wondering about skidding on dry pavement that I was driving more like my gramma. At first I thought it was something I was doing, but then I remembered having read something about it here so I decided to mention it to the tech.

    The other thing I didn't mention was the four occasions (all within a ten day span which didn't start until two months after I bought the car) on which the transmission kicked out of second gear when I was shifting. They replaced the buffer stop, but it has happened twice since then. Next week I'll have to address that again.
  • jim53jim53 Posts: 109
    Just picked up my new 545i. Can someone remind me what the break in period is and what I should and should not do?
  • turnbowmturnbowm Posts: 76
    Just picked up a new 2005 530i (non-SP) eight days ago and noticed that it is equipped with Goodyear Eagle RS-A tires. Any opinions or comparisons with other factory tires (Continential, etc.)?

    Martin
  • hihomikehihomike Posts: 111
    In answer to you 3rd comment, the dealer is supposed to set up BMW assist for you. They either set it up on the internet or fax the information to BMW assist. You should not have to set it up yourself.

    If you're getting a "data transmisson failure notice", then the connection is not established
  • hihomikehihomike Posts: 111
    Turnbowm - I have a new 06 530i with Continentals. My 05 525i had Continentals as well. I understand most cars come in from Germany with these.

    I am a sales manager at an Infiniti dealership - and most G sedans come with Goodyear RS-A's. We haven't had any complaints from our customers, thus far, with these tires. G's also come equipped, at times, with Bridgstones.

    It is my own personal opinion that "most", not all, tires are fairly equivalent as they must meet manufacturer's specifications. The only problem I have encountered with tires on new cars is that some of them are out of round if they have been sitting on the lot for some time without moving. This happened with my 05 525i, where the dealer had to replace all four tires.

    I was told that on the trip over from Germany, they sit on a ship with varying temperatures - and are usually "overinflated" until they hit the port, where the pressure is brought down.

    I'd be interested to know if you have encountered any problems with the Goodyears. I think Goodyear tires are great tires, at least from my experiences. On the other hand, I've heard some horror stories about Continentals.

    I guess it's six of one, half dozen of another, if you know what I mean.

    Good luck with your new 530i and just enjoy.
  • turnbowmturnbowm Posts: 76
    Mike,

    Was able to link up with BMW Assist AFTER I pulled the car out of the garage! The Sales Advisor had already set up the account and it was only necessary for me to verify the info with BMW Assist personnel. I'm now "good to go", if and when the need arises.

    As for the tires, my wife's '98 Lexus ES300 came with Goodyear Eagles from the factory and I couldn't wait to get rid of them.... had to get them re-balanced every 7000-8000 miles! Not sure what model of Eagles they were. What I DO know is that the ride and handling improved significantly when I replaced them with Michelin MXV4s.

    Thanks for the well wishes.

    Martin
  • ponytrekkerponytrekker Posts: 284
    A sales manager for Infiniti driving a BMW. I love it.
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