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  • fjk57702fjk57702 Posts: 539
    Edward's is not the only EAFB in the US.
  • diver110diver110 Posts: 67
    On my 540iT (which I love) the computer's calculation of miles per gallon always is 1 mpg+ more than my own calculations using mileage travelled and the gallons showing on the pump. I assume the latter is more reliable. Anyone else notice this?
  • 67healy67healy Posts: 4
    Thanks for your input I think we are leaning towards the 2003 525. Although a used 528 seems like a good option, since they look the 2003 525. What do you think? Pap5 thanks for the compliment the big Healys are truly beautiful.
  • fjk57702fjk57702 Posts: 539
    The computer does not know about the fuel that goes through the charcoal canister (fuel that evaporates out of the fuel tank pressure relief valve). This (in hot weather) seems to be on the order of around 1 gallon per tankfull (at least for me).
  • 330iii330iii Posts: 71
    Has anyone noticed the horsepower rating at 225hp remains the same for an 04 530i but is at 4900rpm instead of 5900rpm for the 03 530i,is that a typo? Also,is it just me or does the 04 5 series look like a larger 3 series from the front and side, but like a mustang or mini 7 series from the rear!
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    According to the voluminous Tech Specs printed in the current (July'03) issue of Roundel magazine (BMW CCA), which includes the graphed power curves, for the new E60 530i...

    Peak torque: occurs at 3500 rpms and the torque curve is essentially flat from 3,500 rpms all the way to 4,900 rpms.

    Peak horsepower: occurs at 5900 rpms

    These figures are identical to the '03 E39 530i. According to BMW NA's '03 5 Series brochure:

    Peak torque: 214 lb-ft at 3500 rpms
    Peak HP: 225 hp at 5900 rpms
  • 330iii330iii Posts: 71
    So the engine is a carryover from 03? I guess it's a marketing ploy,in Motor Trend (new M5 on cover) and the 04 5 series brochure they pitch 225hp at 4900rpm.
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    330iii... BMW has/is doing a lot of expensive new product development. Initial "big" engine improvement is to the 545i V8, shared with the 545i. New 745i, with its improved 4.4L only came out last year. Cost a ton to develop. The new 6 Series, which is based on the 5 Series, is going to have a 635i V8 and a 645i V8. It is costing a pretty penny. And the new 1 Series is on the near horizon. More development costs there.

    There was only so much money for 5 Series development. The current 2.5L and 3.0L I6s are both fantastic engines. And don't forget that the 525i and 530i get both new automatic and manual transmissions. Improvements to I6s will come. Who knows, maybe there will be a 535i V8? And maybe a diesel or two in next few years?
  • cbgb1975cbgb1975 Posts: 51
    Maybe six speed in '04 v 5 speed in '03 would account for rpm change???
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    My 530 with auto gets about 28 mpg cruising around 70 mph on NY suburban highways. On local roads this plummets to 18 mpg. With highway and local driving split 50/50, mileage is about 19.5-20.5 mpg. The disparity seems a little extreme, but perhaps this is the tradeoff for low-end torque. The driving habits of myself and the little woman are a little less than civilized. This means we both like to get up to speed quickly. And then, of course, there are those moments when I have to experience it's potential. In terms of BMW performance as compared to everything else I've driven, I'm perfectly happy with these numbers. However, I'd like to know how this compares.

    BTW with regard to message #7007, I've noticed the same.
  • sirtigersirtiger Posts: 38
    I have the same car (03 530ia) & live in nyc. I get the same mileage as you... just a fyi.

    I thought that was extreme as well....u r not the only one here... that 18-21 mpg stinks... its almost as bad as my old nissan pathfinder.
  • pap5pap5 Posts: 144
    67healy -- If purchase price isn't the primary consideration, I agree that a new 525 is a better bet than a 2000 (or older) 528. The 528 will cost less up front, but the 525 will come with the new car warranty and maintenance plan. One caveat: The 525 has lower hp/torque figures than the 528, and is reported by those who have driven both (I haven't) to be slower to speed. Be sure to drive both, equipped with the transmission you intend to buy, for comparison.

    designman -- Your avg. MPG for mixed driving is in line with what I get in my 530ia. I'm sure the main cause is losses through the slushbox on acceleration, which aren't a factor when it is locked up in top gear on the highway. I believe some of the 530i 5-sp. owners have reported better numbers in mixed driving.
  • fjk57702fjk57702 Posts: 539
    One important thing affecting local gas milage is that you start out with a cold engine and it burns more fuel till it warms up. Summer weather is hot enough that this is much less of a factor than it is in winter, but it still is a factor. In addition, stop and go driving is going to be worse than steady cruising.
  • fjk57702fjk57702 Posts: 539
    With peak horsepower of 225 at 5900 RPM's, the torque is 200 ft-lbs at 5900. Not quite "flat", but a loss of only 7% from the peak at 3500 RPM's.
  • mxpro738mxpro738 Posts: 59
    Hello folks!

    I am in the middle of a lease negotiation on a 330i. I am being told that as of July 7th, BMW increased it's lease acquisition fee from $500 to $1,000. Ouch! Is this valid? For what it's worth, I am in New York State.

    If anyone here knows the answer, I would greatly appreciate your help.

    Best regards!
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    fjk57702... I wrote, "Peak torque: occurs at 3500 rpms and the torque curve is essentially flat from 3,500 rpms all the way to 4,900 rpms."

    I didn't say anything about the torque curve before 3500 rpms or after 4900 rpms. But according to the printed output graph, torque is essentially flat from 3500-4900 rpms. So you get peak torque for a good portion of the total power curve.
  • fjk57702fjk57702 Posts: 539
    And below 3500 it drops off? Do you still have 90% at 1500 RPM's?
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    fjk... It rises from idle to its peak at 3500 RPMs and then is flat from 3500 rpms to 4900 rpms, after which it starts falling.

    You should look at the chart in the latest issue of Roundel. Plethora of great tech specs on the new E60!
  • fjk57702fjk57702 Posts: 539
    GM's new 3.6 liter DOHC VVT V6 has 90% of the peak torque between 1600 RPMs and 5800 RPMs. That is 225+ft-lbs over that speed range with the peak (250 ft-lbs) at 3200 RPMs. Peak horsepower is at 6200 RPMs.
  • 330iii330iii Posts: 71
    Is that the Caddy CTS's new V6? The CTS v will be a monster.
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