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  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    I'm going to experiment a week with the steptronic manual. I drive a stick at higher rpm than the automatic as most do (love the revs and it's healthier for the engine) but I'm curious to see how the mileage varies from auto. The problem with the step is the instinct to throw gears and grope for the clutch... takes some getting used to. What I'm really groping for is how to get the woman to appreciate the manual... tried for years... any tips greatly appreciated. She doesn't like sitting low in beauties like the 911, but the M5 could do the trick. I guess I'm a brat... finally get a BMW and now I want more. Anyone know a good family sports-car therapist?
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    fjk... You should look at Roundel's Tech Spec pages. The chart is metric. For the 530i's engine, peak torque is 300Nm (225 lb-ft) @ 3500 rpms. This holds flat till about 4900 rpms. 90 percent of this peak torque would be 270Nm. Chart shows at least 270Nm from about 1500 rpms to about 6000 rpms. Looks like at least 290Nm from about 2750 rpms to about 5250 rpms.

    That seems like a pretty flat torque curve to me and a torque curve comparable to the projected GM 3.6L V6.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I went from a 2000 540i 6-speed to a 2002 M5 and, while gas mileage wasn't much of a consideration in the trade, it didn't drop much.

    Overall, in a little over 32k miles, I have averaged 20.7 mpg with the M5. I do a fair amount of highway driving and average about 24-25 mpg with the M5 at a constant 70-80 mph (compared to 26 mpg with the 540i). Short hop, in-town driving goes as low as 14-15 mpg with the M5 (16-17 with the 540i). My assistant has a 530i 5-speed and she has averaged 25 mpg over about 12,000 miles. She boasted getting 32 mpg on one pure highway tankful.

    Can't help you with the wife - I married lucky. My wife was dissapointed our SUV doesn't have a stick and we even considered trading it for the BMW X5 3.0 5-speed. Unfortunately, that's a little too small and not much of a real SUV for our needs. I feel for you regarding the manual. I can't even accept an SMG as a reasonable compromise, let alone a steptronic. I may be keeping my M5 for a long, long time.

    P.S. For what it's worth, I paid a $2,200 gas guzzler tax on the M5 and it averages at least 5-6 mpg higher overall than our Range Rover. As a matter of fact, it get's 3+/- mpg better mileage than my nephew's new Honda Pilot, which is supposedly one of the more fuel efficient SUV's. Throw a $3,000 gas guzzler tax on SUV's and the manufacturers will respond. Soccer moms will be just as happy with a 25 mpg turbo-diesel as a 13 mpg V-8 hog.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Those M5 mileage numbers are quite impressive. Now I've got the task of turning my next fantasy into reality. I've considered the 911 Tip but it doesn't turn her on. Hmm... gotta figure something out here before the ugly 5s come out. I never even looked into M5 availabilty when buying the 530. What I have going here is that 1) She is now one of the BMW faithful 2) A second bimmer means she has the 530 to herself. BTW, I can't help but wonder how the Cayenne figured into your thinking?
  • fjk57702fjk57702 Posts: 539
    Is Roundel's available on the web? Anyway, 90% would put the torque at 200 ft-lbs from 1500 to 6000, about 25 ft-lbs below the CTS's 3.6. But that is a flat torque curve, which should give the BMW 3 liter good low end torque.
  • sdg380sdg380 Posts: 109
    Just a couple of thoughts, if I might...

    My wife drives a stick nicely, but she just wasn't interested anymore when she recently bought a Lexus with a slushbox. I do think enjoying a stick may be something of a "guy thing", and presuming you want to keep the little woman happy, you might want to consider relenting (as I say, when my wife's happy, I'm estatic! I think you know that can pay dividends!)

    I've driven an M3 with the SMG (I think you called it steptronic manual), and after a few minutes, the novelty sort of wears off, and it's really just easier to stick it in "auto". Was sort of the same for me as a Steptronic auto trans., and really a very far cry from stirring the box and feeding out power with the clutch. Maybe it's the hot set-up for F-1, but I'd be inclined to just get an auto if I wasn't going to get a real stick.

    And while beauty is in the eye (and I really like my '02 530i/stick), I'd reserve judgment on the new '04 5-series, I think they'll look just great, and you certainly wouldn't have to feel embarrassed with a >6-spd.< auto, which your wife might like, too.

    ps--re a Cayenne, think 5700 lb. p-i-g. But supposedly this truck is contributing mightily to Porsche's bottom line, so I guess you can't buy good taste (or engineering discernment).
  • johnnyboy4johnnyboy4 Posts: 10
    The step. is pretty fun to use. Where I usually prefer it being is in S. Speeds it up a little and feels just right with this engine. Any suggestions for tires after these wear(Conti.). I was thinking maybe Michelin Pilot A/S or something. I love the sport package except for a slight bit of road noise. I heard maybe those Pilots should get rid of a little more noise.
  • joatmonjoatmon Posts: 315
    FWIW, my 530i SP came with Dunlops and I'm very happy with them. My son has driven new BMWs with the Conti, Dunlap, and Michelins. He likes the Dunlops the best.
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    The Yokohama AVS Decibels that came with my 540i6 wore badly. Became very noisy after about 5,000 miles. Replaced 'em with ContiSportContact2s. After 4,000 miles I'm still pleased. Great performance dry or wet, low noise, and good ride quality.

    johnnyboy4... What specific Conti's did you have: Touring A/S, Extreme A/S, SportContact, or SportContact2?
  • msealsmseals Posts: 257
    Anyone have any experience with these tires. I am thinking of buying them to replace my Dunlop SP Sport A2's which have worn to the wear bars on the rears but are about half worn on the fronts. I get a lot of road noise right now. The Dunlops were really good in the snow though, stopped on a dime and accelerated in heavy snow pretty well. I don't think we get enough snow to dictate getting snow tires. I don't have the sport pkg so I am not getting summer times either, but I do drive sporty some times. When I get a 530, I plan on trying to find one with sp pkg but still be a 5 sp.

  • diver110diver110 Posts: 67
    If I am on a straight away, I find I am fastest in the S mode. I don't waste time shifting. Also, my steptronic tends to "automatically" shift me out of 2nd a little quickly anyway (well before redline). But if I'm in the curves, I like steptronic. I don't have to use the breaks as much and feel I have more control.
  • msealsmseals Posts: 257
    Man, people sure are picky here on spelling. At least it is a synonym.
  • kyfdx%40Edmundskyfdx%40Edmunds Posts: 25,879

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  • msealsmseals Posts: 257
    I believe synonyms sound the same but are spelled different, i.e. red, read (The 5er is red/Yes, I read the manual). Homonyms are spelled the same but sound different ie. read, read (Can he read/I read a book today). My dad is a english professor and my mother is a speach pathologist. I sure hope I am remembering this stuff right or they won't be very happy. I haven't been in school in almost 10 yrs.
  • kyfdx%40Edmundskyfdx%40Edmunds Posts: 25,879
    be disappointed...

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  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Let's drop the whole thing before we get into much deeper trouble!!

    FWIW, I think typing "break" when meaning "brake" - and vice versa - is THE most common syntactical (hah!) error I see hosting these discussions.

    It's no biggie, we all know what was meant, right?

  • kyfdx%40Edmundskyfdx%40Edmunds Posts: 25,879

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  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    Yes, but is it...

    make or marque?
    hood or bonnet?
    trunk or boot?
    LHD or RHD?

    Who was it who said Americans and Britishers were common people separated by language?

    Wouldn't it be fun if English was more like German and we ran nouns together to form another noun?

    If I could just use affect and effect I'd be happy.

    From dictionary:

    Homonym--"One of two or more words that have the same sound and often the same spelling but differ in meaning."

    Synonym: "A word having the same or nearly the same meaning as another word or other words in a language."

    Antonym: "A word having a meaning opposite to that of another word."
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    but maybe we should agree that if anyone has to define homonyms and synonyms for an English test or something, they might want to rely on a more definitive source than what is here in this car discussion......


    Edit: Okay riez - you posted the definitions while I was typing. I guess I knew someone would do it.

    Let's move on now - really.
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