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  • And on the Audi it is $750.

    It is NOT worth these kind of prices IMHO.

    Or, compared to voice command which is usually a fraction of the cost, there is somehow an upside down valuation here.

    Pushbutton start is cool.

    My dad's Hudson Hornet had it.

    It is overpriced -- but that is just one opinion.

    I bought it for the cool factor and I don't dislike it.

    At $35 - $40+ a tank for gas, well you do the math what $750 would get you in that dept.

    I'd get it again at half price.

    Or if it "came with."
  • Hi,

    I assume that the all wheel drive in the 530xi is better for snow etc. conditions than the rear wheel drive in the 550i....and this is important to us (Canada).

    However, given the new modern traction control devices etc. in the 550i, what is the "real" advantage of the awd 530xi over the 550i? In other words, is the 550i a "bad" choice for snow, or is it "almost as good" traction wise as the awd??

    The dealership said we would need snow tires anyway with the 18" wheels on the sport pkg with the 530xi....so if we need them anyway, could get for the 550i already, I suppose....

    Finally, what is the gas mileage penalty with a 550i over the 530xi?

    Any comments/info/experience would be appreciated!!!!

    Thanks.
  • We are now at a point in engineering and customer experiences and preferences where AWD is seen to be the "system" that provides the highest performance in the real world -- the streets, roads, highways and freeways (and autobanhs) that most of us drive on.

    The highest performance offerings or among the highest performance offerings are the AWD variants of the various "super" car companies.

    Dr. Piech predicted this would happen. He was ahead of his time for he predicted this over 25 years ago and produced a very successful idea he called quattro. It was so capable it became "outlawed" in racing as it could beat all comers.

    About 2 decades went by where the RWD crowd argued that AWD was unfair and inferior to RWD (hmmm, how could that be?)

    In 2004 a bunch of high zoot cars came to market offering either AWD as standard or optional in at least one of their cars brought to market.

    We now have:

    Audi
    Acura
    BMW
    Cadillac
    Infiniti
    Jaguar
    Lexus
    Mercedes
    Porsche
    Saab
    Volvo
    VW

    . . .and others of higher and lower "class" and the list continues to expand and extend.

    AWD is or is becoming one of the highest performance characteristic (feature) of cars. Audi, Cadillac, Mercedes, Porshce, Saab, Volvo and VW all offer V8's, V10's or V12's with AWD, while the other guys offer 4's and 6's in AWD.

    Every year as high, higher, highest performance is brought to make it appears as if it is being done in cooperation with all wheel drive.

    For all the reasons Dr. Piech suggested way back in 1980.

    I have no proof, only speculation, that the most powerful and higest performance BMW's will with in a few years always be offered in AWD and may actually be ONLY offered in AWD.

    Basically, Porsches AWD and Lambos AWD are their highest performance vehicles.

    AWD does offer "go in the snow" capabilities -- but its ability to improve driving in the dry is or should be well known by now."

    If the best and biggest of the bunch is needed and budget is not an issue -- go the W 12 Audi A8Ls without fear, thd the V8 or S8 have a great follwong.

    Yet, I am now able to do the same thing aout the SAAbaaaaa,
    Getting

    The new Audis with RWD biased AWB are sold to be sold into a best of Year sttod in hi wah,

    AWD is the true future for high perofmrance vehicles. A lot of them seem NOT to know that but it seems the marjority do believe that AWD will be the passenger cars, soon.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Mark, who is an unflinching advocate for AWD, makes a great case for you to consider a car so equipped, and if you were considering an Audi he would be absolutely correct, however, in the Sport Package equipped BMW world things are a little different and as such the decision isn't quite so clear cut. Why? Well, unlike Audi, BMW does not offer a true Sport Package on their xi models, in fact, of the three possible suspension setups available on the 5-Series; the one that comes with the "xi" models is the least capable on dry roads. Simply put there is the "xi", the "i" and the "i SP" models. Admittedly the difference between the "xi" models and the standard "i" models amounts to a matter of ride height (about a half of an inch or so) and as such the difference between the two should be marginal at best, with the nod going to the "i" on dry pavement and a BIG nod going to the "xi" in less than ideal traction conditions. That having been said, when you throw the SP into the picture the rules change fairly dramatically. On the "xi SP" models, the Sport Package is simply cosmetic (seats and trim), while on the "i SP" models BMW upgrades not only the seats and trim but also the suspension and the wheels and tires. That equates to a huge nod to the RWD SP models on dry pavement, and of course a fairly significant nod to the AWD SP models in slippery conditions.

    Were it me trying to decide between the 530xi SP and the 550i SP, it would be no contest; I'd choose the 550i and buy a set of winter tires. In fact, I did just that on my former 530i SP, and drove it through three snowy winters here in New Hampshire (we totaled over 7.5 meters of snow during those three winters) without saying to myself "gee, I wish I had a 530xi" even once.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • jfirbjfirb Posts: 9
    I got this message 3 weeks ago with only about 43k miles. And my dealer added one quart as the iDrive recommended. Just yesterday I got "Engine oil at minimum level" again in just 3 weeks with less than 1k additional miles! It's like my car is drinking the oil. Called the dealer and made the appt on Monday. Have you guys seen this? What was the problem?
  • Great points and it of course begs the question "why?" with respect to the xi offerings not having a true sport option. Audi has the Sline which adds wheels, tires and suspension calibration settings that do contribute to what most of us would call a more sporting attitude.

    Yet when were the 5 series offered with the 255HP and x drive in the US. Has it been 6 months since these cars were widely available?

    And, add to the answers of this question the statements from my BMW dealer who says the X cars have had remarkable sales growth. My wife was ONLY interested in a 3 series with X drive. The brochure said steptronic was an OPTION, but there were no sticks that could be had and due to the transition time, no new 3x orders were allowed.

    Oh, what the heck, we'll test drive the X3 before we go back to the Audi store and buy one of their A4's which, too, only came with tiptronics (at that time) but comes with a 3.2 liter 255hp engine and sport package (as options.)

    What happened next was typical: the X3 became a serious contender to the Audi A4, the Mercedes C 4Matic and the 330xi (MY 2005.)

    Then I asked about sales in December 2005 -- 40% of the 5's sold are now X drive and that is inventory constrained.

    10% of 3's are so equipped -- but they claim nearly all 325's are sold as X drive versions.

    Imagine if BMW offers a true sport package (the X3 sport package upgrades the wheels to 18", lowers the profile of the tires (and widens them, too) and stiffens the springs, etc.) for the 3's and 5's and ultimately adds X drive to the 7 series. Then imagine if BMW extends the X drive to its cars with more than 6 cylinders. In the US, at least, you would think this would wound Audis sales even further (in contrast to BMW's.) BMW already outsells Audi by what 3 to 1 (in the 5's vs the A6, this is certainly the case, I suspect the 3's substantially outsell the A4's, too)?

    The buying public that eschews Audi or Japanese or other European brands for BMW must have -- based on their buying behavior here in a small city that has 2 BMW's stores, one the largest in our state -- been snatching up all available 3 and 5 series X drives.

    Unleash the inventory and I'd wager a broad increase in X drive sales -- not just here in SW Ohio where we do get a few (very few) flakes of snow from time to time.

    Every A6 sold in the last year here (of course) was AWD, every Acura RL, ditto. It appears (completely without statistical verification) to me that at least 1/3 of all Mercedes have the little chrome "4Matic" on their rear ends, too.

    BMW is motivated by what sells. DOH! A blinding glimpse of the obvious, I know.

    But based on reading and participating in these blogs for years now, I never would have guessed or predicted a rise in sales of 5 series Bimmers at 40% X drive. The (almost) animus of many posters (pre-widespread X drive BMW offerings) was that "AWD cars were really posers and almost not worth of being called sport sedans" (sic).

    Maybe folks can point to Audis shift from 50 50 AWD bias to 40 60 RWD/AWD bias and say "see we told you so."

    I have been told and have started to come around to this belief that probably a lot of folks don't know if their AWD car is FWD/AWD, RWD/AWD or 50 50 AWD -- AND they don't know or care if their systems are based on this that or the other AWD technologies. Credit to Acura for at least attempting to make SH-AWD have some meaning to the customer.

    But really credit BMW for "wet tongue, frozen pole," the BMW angles and the current snowball campaign (for the 3 series.) BMW is selling the concept, selling safety, selling performance, selling selling selling.

    The contrast between the SH-AWD commercials and the BMW commercials is striking. The SH-AWD (marketing) seems to appeal to the left brain almost exclusively. The X-drive (marketing) seems to "get to the left brain" via the "right brain."

    Whatever is happening, we are moving at a faster pace than I would have imagined (but still not fast enough for my tastes) to AWD just being another tick on the option box -- in some respects like "power steering" used to be. Everyone got it but it was optional years after it almost certainly had become "expected."

    Now if someone will address if BMW USA just doesn't offer true sport packages on the X drive cars because they "can't" (that is, are true X drive sport variants available in other markets?) or because they "don't believe the customer wants it?

    It seems, based on our regional appetites AWD cars are being sold "like hotcakes."

    One more anecdote -- I don't think I have even seen an Infiniti M35 that DIDN'T have the "x" after the 35.

    Maybe the new Q7 from Audi isn't too late after all.

    A BMW M5 w/X-drive -- or an M3, ditto. Wouldn't that put the fear of something into Audi with respect to the S6, S8, S4, RS4, etc etc etc?

    Competition is really making the marketplace more interesting every day. :shades:
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "Why?" That does indeed seem to be the question of the hour regarding the growth of AWD systems in general and the substantial success if BMWs "xi" models in particular.

    My view of "Why?" is, ummm, a little cynical to say the least. Dovetailing with your comments about marketing, I believe that the AWD marketeers [sic] have been, if anything, maybe a little too successful. All too often I hear folks say things like, "I live in and NEED a car with AWD." Never mind the fact that they've been driving for twenty years with some flavor of a 2WD car shod with crummy All-Season tires in that same location; they've been convinced that unless they get AWD on their next car they'll crash and burn when the very next snowflake falls.

    In my case there is little doubt that if I lived high in the Rockies or Sierras or even the White Mountains here in New Hampshire, I'd seriously consider a car with AWD. That I live in an area with rolling hills and winding roads and lots of snow means (to me at least) that I don't need AWD, a 2WD car shod with a good set of winter tires will serve me just fine. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • Typically Americans keep the same set of tires on year 'round. Perhaps we're just lazy.

    Buy a sport package equipped RWD BMW 3 series (it will have summer only tires) and come winter IT WILL be slip slidin' away even here in River City the home of almost no snow and what little we have rarely sticks.

    But, where I differ in this discussion is first in an observation: SUV's (purchased in no small measure because they had AWD) and second in my contention that the cars that perform "better" are currently thought by a significant minority to be no longer 2WD cars, but AWD cars.

    You may be right, you don't "need" AWD -- but where I differ is I would want AWD if I lived in Dallas or SoCal or Florida where it rarely snows.

    The RS4, S4, S6 and S8 (and some other notable AWD German Sports Cars with well known pedigrees) are not marketed first and foremost for their Winter Prowess -- rather they are marketed for their Performance and invitation to bring on all comers.

    The RS6 (C5 version) was marketed as a statement of what was possible in terms of performance and oh by the way it also had AWD.

    BMW is, NOT YET, (here at least) marketing the Xdrive cars for their performance but for their low coefficient of friction conditions traction.

    This, I suspect, will change -- BMW will begin (they have already) marketing more and more the Xdrive as a safety feature and will evolve into marketing the Xdrive offerings as the highest performance BMWs.

    You may argue convincingly that "it ain't so" because Xdrive adds weight which is, as we all know (yea right) the enemy of performance (mileage, handling, etc etc etc.)

    This "fact" may be accurate, but I submit it will not be perceived to be "true."

    At this moment, BMW seems to be missing another sales opportunity by not offering improved anti-swaybars, spring rates and height, wheels, tires etc in the Xdrive sport packages.

    For ONCE, Audi with their somewhat appearance weighted SLine package (which, after all, does include the suspension, wheel and tire sporting bits) has leaned in a more sporting direction than BMW (in this narrow regard, only.) Yet, the 5 can be had with plus sized wheels and tires AND the sweet 255HP engine mated to a 6spd manual -- and one would assume some aftermarket tuners offer stiffer and lower springs and perhaps anti-sway bars and more sporting dampers. So the factory that gets the nod and polite golf applause for offering a sport package goes to Audi.

    But the overall inherent balance of the BMW, larger factory wheels and tires AND the manual transmission may, to a lesser extent, favor the BMW's offering save for the fact that "the 5 series are rarely sold with stick shifts."

    If you want a sporty AWD Premium car for about $57K and a V8 you can go with an SLine A6 4.2 or for the same money get a 530xi with the "in name only" sport package.

    That BMW still outsells Audi must be an indicator that either the customers don't know or care for a true sports package or that Audis is a really well kept secret (if one assumes that the customer really would go for a sport suspension were it offered -- by BMW for instance.)

    Whattya gonna do?

    Even knowing what I know and participating in this discussion with "y'all," I would TODAY opt for the 530xi with the fake sport package from BMW configured on the car with a stick shift and 18" UHP tires and wheels.

    On the other hand, if forced to take the auto, the overall fit and finish plus the aforementioned SLine offered by the Audi would tip the scale in Ingolstadt's favor (for me.)

    I'll bet BMW will add a true sport package option soon, very soon.

    Even the Cadillac STS offers it on their AWD version.

    Oh the ignominy. :surprise:
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    A few miscellaneous thoughts...

    - Of all of the RWD BMWs that I see around here (southern New Hampshire / northern Boston suburbs), the vast majority are non Sport Package All-Season shod standard suspension cars.
    - Looking at the SP equipped 3-Series and 5-Series cars that I see around here during the winter months, I have yet to see even one that didn't have winter tires either mounted on dedicated rims or OEM sized winter tires mounted on the factory rims.
    - Of all the Audi Quattros that I've inspected in parking lots and such, very very few have performance rubber mounted in the summer and winter rubber mounted in the winter, in fact, I don't think I've ever seen a winter tire equipped Quattro.
    - If I was buying an Audi A4 or A6, I'd opt for a manual transmission (if available), the Quattro system, the Sport Suspension, Performance rubber and then buy a set of winter tires.
    - If I was buying another 3-Series or another 5-Series, I'd opt for a manual transmission equipped RWD "i" model with the Sport Package and buy a set of winter tires.

    What can I divine from the above?

    - Confirmation of your statement saying, "Typically Americans keep the same set of tires on year 'round. Perhaps we're just lazy."
    - Most folks don't care about the Sport suspensions for either Audi or BMW. Could that be because of the basic goodness of the base suspensions?
    - Given my belief that a balanced RWD car (ala BMW) with winter tires is both more capable and safer than an AWD car with All-Season tires in the snow and other slippery stuff, combined with my preference for RWD means that I'll probably continue buying RWD cars, all else being equal (which it rarely is).
    - That last statement brings me to this one: Given that "all else being equal" isn't true, and given any number of other prejudices, opinions and beliefs that I have, the car that is currently at the top of my short list as a replacement for my 5-Speed 530i SP is the FWD Audi A3 2.0T 6-Speed Manual. Why? That's a very long answer and probably too off topic for this discussion. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Basically, Porsches AWD and Lambos AWD are their highest performance vehicles.

    Not quite. You are referring to the 911 Turbo which is one quick sled. But Porsche’s highest-performance cars, the GT2 and Carrera GT are RWD.

    In Porsches, AWD is there for stability, adding weight to the front to offset the severe rear-weight bias that is inherent in 911s. Providing torque to the front wheels also mitigates the characteristic oversteer of 911s and their tendency to come loose in corners. Although many enjoy the cornering stability of AWD in Porsches, the prevailing preference is still RWD.

    I have driven an S4 and love it, and I like AWD in an everyday get-from-point-A-to-B vehicle. But when driving with sass it compromises the ferral responsiveness that comes with RWD especially in Porsches. I guess it’s like cowboys wanting to ride bulls. There’s a certain skill required and sense of accomplishment when you’ve mastered it.

    BMWs already have enough understeer. I can’t see the more spirited driver wanting AWD in a BMW. However, AWD will be successful for obvious reasons. I welcome it as an option in a beast-of-burden sedan, but not in a sports car. I think anyone who wants to squeeze every ounce of sport out of his sedan will not be longing for AWD, and I don’t think the AWD Porsches and Lambos will convince them otherwise.

    Lastly, although I agree with Shipo’s assessment of winter-shod RWD cars, he has his work cut out trying to convince the hoi polloi. AWD cars have a lot going for them. In the snow belt they are the no-muss-no-fuss purchase. Conversely, I don’t think the SoCal/Fla crowds are going to be stepping on each other to get at AWD sedans any time soon.

    ;-)
  • While technically, at this moment in time, there are a few ultra high performance cars that are not AWD, I suspect I should say "generally speaking" or the "spirit" of what I was saying pertaining to AWD high performance vehicles is up for little argument.

    Perhaps the absolute pinnacle is RWD at the quantities and price points such cars as a GT2 suggest.

    Although the prices of some of the lesser Porsches that are both HP and AWD are still quite high, I understand that your point is that my statement was not literally or technically correct but I remain steadfast that more and more cars that are selected as "daily" drivers even at these price points are both very high performance and AWD.

    AWD is making huge sales inroads (both in dollars and in sheer numbers, units sold, that is) and remains one of the fastest growing segments -- now that it is no longer "just trucks" that offer these systems.

    BMW of America and its customers are the beneficiaries of this trend.

    Moreover, "performance" is improved with AWD in the mind of most consumers (who rarely if ever actually take their cars to tracks or enter them in any kind of competitions, etc.)

    The popularity will only improve the breed of Sport oriented Premium / Luxury cars. We've already seen this effect in the entire segment edmunds calls LPS cars -- of course it is already making its way both downstream AND upstream.

    The addition of two more driven wheels, I suspect and predict, will become ubiquitous and it will be seen to be a convenience, luxury, performance and safety "content" item. AWD is the the "power steering" of this decade.

    Only a few will not offer this feature seems to be the way this is heading.

    The addition of AWD to BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, Acura, Lexus, Infiniti, Cadillac and Chrysler (not to mention Jaguar and Mazda) is just the beginning.

    Although I wouldn't go so far in the very near future to predict the majority of BMW's 5 will be xdrive, I do think "it could happen."

    Of course, as usual, most of this is just my opinion, I could very well be wrong, just not uncertain. :shades:
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    In addition to the white stuff, I like AWD in rain, particularly in hydroplaning situations and accelerating on wet winding roads. If they market it accordingly they might pick up some warm-weather sales but I don't think they will be significant. On dry roads the only advantage I see is in exiting high-speed corners. I think there could be some benefits in straight-line acceleration, but the dynamics there are very convoluted. Actually, the dynamics are convoluted everywhere when considering there are differences in AWD systems.

    Just as a matter of discussion, comparable 911s with and without AWD are very close in straight-line acceleration, an approximate .1 sec edge going to the RWD version. Weight advantage is considered the difference.

    One thing that seems elusive is assimilating the difference in systems. I think it is very difficult to compare them. You really have to drive them in all conditions which is virtually impossible, and consider the tires to boot.
  • FYI - Check out the latest issue of Bimmer, for articles on the AWD 530xi, etc....
  • rich545rich545 Posts: 386
    Well, I can tell you that having had both the "xi" (330xi) and now the "i" (545i with SP) that the 545i with snows is just about as good as the 330xi was with all-season tires. That's in real-world experience. Now, I don't know if I'm a better driver in the snow than most based on growing up in the northeast, and going to college in Vermont, but I was shocked at how good the 545i with snows handled the white stuff. I can barely get it so slip at all. I haven't had any problems in thr rain with either performance tires or snows on the 545. I used to be a Saab driver because I though FWD was much better in the snow, but then went to AWD. Wanting better performance and a bigger car I took a chance switching to RWD (I wanted to stay with BMW). I was actually really nervous that come winter I would regret the decision. Happily, I didn't at all. I wouldn't say I'm committed to RWD, but I will say that with snows and with an experienced snow driver it would be hard to say the 330xi offered even a noticeable difference in the snow.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    You covered the acceleration issue in your post, however, there is the braking issue as well. The 330xi with the All-Season rubber is most likely incapable of stopping as well as your 545i with winter rubber when in the slippery stuff.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • rich545rich545 Posts: 386
    True, I did forget to mention that. I definitely agree though. Wow, in glancing over my previous post I'm surprised you could read it with all of the typing errors! Anyway, another thing I forgot to mention was that BMW has always been reluctant to enter the AWD market, and is going into it now somewhat kicking and screaming. I'm sure cost and mechanical complexity have a lot to do with it, but also they simply seem committed to the performance characteristics of RWD cars. This is probably why they offer more limited options like AWD without a true sports package. I think they feel that AWD with SP is a somewhat paradoxical thing to want!
  • manybmwsmanybmws Posts: 347
    Get the 550 and put some serious snows on it.

    I drove today in a Boston area snow storm that was not big (roughly 6+") but it started as slush. So underfoot it was very slippery. Subarus and SUVs were skidding around corners at every intersection. This year I just bought Dunlop Winter Sport M3s for my '03 530 non-SP. I have to say that they were VERY good given the circumstances. I never felt once like I was losing control. In fact at one point after coming across a cars stalled and slipping trying to go up a hill, I did a U-turn just before them without a problem.

    If you have a job that requires a lot of travel with your car then maybe the 530xi makes sense. Otherwise get the 550. If you want a little better ice/slush performance get the Blizzaks.
  • Someone must know, but it seems to me that Winter Tires are "mandatory" in Germany and cars have stickers on their rear bumpers indicating the "winter" speed they are rated for.

    Further the driver has a smaller version of the sticker inside the car, I presume to remind the driver, "I'm OK at 100kph."

    Now I will really test my memory: I was in northern Austria driving an Audi A4 quattro with 4 winter tires with studs -- the sticker said 80kph -- which is about 50 mph. The area was very well plowed but still had plenty of snow covering the highways and secondary roads.

    80kph seemed fine.

    Other cars had lower and higher kph stickers.

    Maybe this is Austrian, not German -- or maybe it is an agreement between Austria, Germany, Italy and Switzerland.

    Try getting most Americans to switch to winter tires -- can you say protest?

    I am not a proponent of government telling us what to do -- but this may be like airbags, seatbelts and other such things that actually do help the common good and probably would lower both insruance and medical costs.

    I use all season tires on a quattro -- but Cincinnati has so little snow and what snow we have rarely sticks around long.

    Don't go by me, then.

    And I resubmit the question: does BMW offer a sport package on any xdrive offerings other than the X3? Anywhere?
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,595
    BMW does offer a true Sport Package on the X5s (Seats, Wheels, Steering Wheel, Suspension...) with the exception that the said upgraded wheels come shod with all season tires (instead of summer performance tires).

    You both make excellent points. I happen to agree with shipo 100% about RWDs superior attributes.

    Mark - a lot of what you say makes sense. Manufacturers have to offer AWD and it is a great money maker for them. I know someone who was on a waiting list for a new S Class Mercedes. The dealer called him up the day it was realeased and asked if he wanted it. He specified he wanted AWD (so did every other person on thew list), so they've got a few new S550s that aren't sold sitting on their lot.

    I think cost is a major factor as well. BMW charges you a $2200 premium for the X-drive on a 530xi. They charge and additional $2300 for the Sport Package on a 530i. That's almost 5 grand in options before you start adding other goodies. There might not be a market for it. People feel they MUST HAVE AWD for the few days a year it snows around here. They look at me like I have 4 heads when I tell them I put Snow tires on my car.

    AWD is good for BMWs bottom line though. The more profit they make off AWD 3s, 5s, & SUVs gives them more money to cater towards the enthusiast market with M cars, the 550i 6 speed, performance packages, and maybe bringing the 1 series to our shores :shades:

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  • I found this at another 5 series chat site - check it out for 2007 MY 5 series production and changes....(I guess the dealer here was telling the truth after all!!)....

    http://forums.e60.net/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=18507
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    I have to wonder if that will be available as a retrofit on current 5's, 6's, and 7's.

    That'd be a great safety feature for driving in fog at night as well.

    -Paul
  • I have a sport X3 and I love it (my wife's car, actually.)

    I was wondering about the sedan Bimmers, the 3 and 5 in X-drive guise -- anywhere in the world does BMW sell these with what we know and love (on the RWD versions) as a sport package?
  • Mikeroch,

    I hesitantly got the HUD on my 2006 530xi because I thought it would be a little-used gizmo feature, but I am VERY glad I got it. I use it all the time, especially with the Navigation system. Even when I am not using Navi it is very useful to have speed, alerts, and cruise control info displayed right in front of you. It works extremely well -- bright enough in all lighting -- and is definitely a very good safety feature. I find that I almost never look down at the dashboard anymore.

    Needless to say, I highly recommend getting it.
  • Other than engine size are there any significant differences? My GF, with my encouragement, is widening her search from the Lexus GS. Of course I want her to get the 530 (or 550!), but she may want to save 4 grand for the 525....grr....women! or at least my woman!
  • sdg380sdg380 Posts: 109
    I haven't compared the standard equipment v. options on the 525/530, but in the past BMW has typically made some features "standard" on the more expensive model that were options on the less expensive one. You might want to check what features you had in mind for a 525 to see if they are standard on the 530, perhaps "narrowing" that $4k gap.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,747
    Xenons, for instance... standard on the 530i..

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  • The 18" optional run flat sport pkg tires are said by BMW to be "not recommended for winter driving".

    We are looking at a 530xi and would like the sport pkg, but don't really want to have to swap tires each spring and fall.....Since the car is AWD, would it be possible to drive in winter (snow, etc...) on the sport pkg tires??

    Any comments, experiences, advice....is appreciated (as usual).

    Thanks.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,747
    I don't think you get summer tires on the Xi models, even with the Sport Package.. They still come with all-seasons..

    It is only the RWD models that come with summer tires..

    Unless something has changed recently...

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    kyfdx
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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,747
    Does the 530Xi Sport Package even include 18" wheels? I thought that was only on the RWD model.. I think the 530Xi Sport Package is just seats and steering wheel?

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  • In Canada, the sport package for the 530xi does include 18" wheels and performance tires. (Our options, packages, etc. are different than in the US - I have looked at your BMW web site previously and noted this).

    Thanks.
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