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  • jeqqjeqq Posts: 216
    As posted above, why not have both?

    BTW, I can usually tell if my oil is 1/2 a qt. short, based on engine noise and my temp gauge but I don't expect others to be that tuned in to their cars.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,595
    BTW, I can usually tell if my oil is 1/2 a qt. short, based on engine noise and my temp gauge but I don't expect others to be that tuned in to their cars

    I seriously doubt that there would be any detectable change in engine note or temp unless you were seriously low (i.e. a couple of quarts or more).

    FYI most modern cars have temp gauges that point straight up once you reach operating temp and do not go past the mid-point unless they're seriously out of range because BMW and other car makers have decided too many customers complain if their cars run slightly hot or cold as they do in very extreme ambient temps.

    IMO eliminating the temp gauge as BMW has done in the new E90/92 is worse than having no dipstick since a failed fan or radiator leak is more likely than being low on oil between changes.

    It goes without saying that I'd rather have both. I go back to the days when a sports car or sedan would tell you the oil temp and pressure as well as the generator/ alternator output. The more i9nfo the better!

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • I am debating between a 528xi and 535xi, and looking for anyone that might have faced a similar dilemma. I am coming out of a 4 cyl Honda accord with 185k, so either car will be a dramatic improvement. 528xi probably has all of the power I "need" but I want to be sure that I have no regrets. I have driven both and both are great cars. I am leaning toward the 528, but am wondering if I will be craving the extra hp in a few months.

    I typically drive my cars a long time, so this is a 5-7 year decision.
  • jeqqjeqq Posts: 216
    As I stated above, I definitely can see and hear the difference. It's okay if you don't, I find no fault in you. Try in your heart to believe me.

    BTW, I drive an A6 which has a temp gauge and oil dipstick but minus an automatic transmission dipstick.

    BTW, BTW: Some of you BMW guys are really hostile. On the Audi sites I usually don't see that many negative/attack posts. Would you believe I almost leased a 535 xi. Good thing I didn't lease that 535 xi ..... jeez :D ;)
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,199
    If you drove a 4-cyl Accord for 185k miles, I don't see you craving anything with a 528. :)

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • bdkinnhbdkinnh Posts: 292
    >On the Audi sites I usually don't see that many negative/attack posts

    I've spent time at AudiWorld. Compared to them, we're Gandhi. :P
  • You base your car buying on website dialog? Are you kidding? :confuse:
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,889
    .. that we couldn't be nicer, though.. :)

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  • mqc99mqc99 Posts: 6
    We fit almost the identical profile... My last car was also a 12-year old 4 cyl Accord (I still have it), I also tend to drive my cal for a long time. But, I just recently bought a 535i. I must say that I am very happy with my decision. I tested both the 528i and the 535i and ended up getting the 535i. I wanted to have the extra pick-up in the 535i. I am not a fast driver. But, I want to have that extra power available to me when I need it. The few thousand dollars difference in price will not matter that much - especially when you are going to keep the car for a few years. But, you will enjoy driving it more. I'd say go for the 535xi. ;)
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,938
    bug4. In all honesty, it'd be difficult to say that I'd prefer my 550i Sport to my '05 Mustang GT overall. There's just "something" about driving a Mustang; especially the current gen one. My GT was more visceral than my 550i, as it should be considering the type of car it is. I guess if I thought hard about it, I'd choose my 550i overall, but not for drive dynamics or status, but because it is more convenient; four doors and such.

    The 550i Sport is a great performance sedan. That in and of itself puts it at a natural disadvantage to the Mustang GT sports coupe. The Mustang's smaller and more nimble. Barreling down and around a twisty mountain road, I'd feel more confident in my GT than my 550i Sport. HOWEVER, I must admit that I had some minor suspension modifications to my GT. I swapped in some 18" wheels, Eibach Pro-kit springs, and BMR tubular subframe connectors. Just with those, the handling limits skyrocketed. (Embarrassed more than a few 3-series Sport drivers. ;) ) Now stock-for-stock, I'd probably feel better in the 550i Sport because it has the stability control to help me out if things went squirrely. (I've caused it to kick in a couple of times already. :surprise: ) But a stock GT would still probably get around the bends faster, given equal drivers.

    I love my 550i Sport, to be sure! I truly miss my '05 GT. The sounds. The feel. The giddyup. The limited slip differential! :P The fact that my 550i Sport has some V8 rumble, muffled though it is, and a manual transmission eases the sting a little bit, but I still have a little twinge everytime I see/hear a new Mustang GT go by.
  • bug4bug4 Posts: 370
    tayl0rd -- Thanks . . very interesting! I admire a guy that will buy a 5 series with a manual transmission . . my definition of heaven!! Again, I haven't driven the 550i sport - but my time with a 540i sport seemed to reveal the perfect blend between straight-line luxury and performance in the twisties :D
  • jamesgjamesg Posts: 19
    i recently purchased a 550i sport auto and look like my gas mileage is converging on ~17.5 MPG mixed driving. i am driving the 550 slower (break-in and weather) than the 03 540i6 that it replaces, but 540 turned in ~22 MPG over its whole life. has anyone noticed low mileage on a 550?

    overall the car is great, esp like the bluetooth now that i got the phone to synch.

    thanks.
  • Look like you should have bought the 535 :P

    Sorry, I couldn't resist. Your gas mileage will improve a bit in time as the engine breaks in.
  • anon3anon3 Posts: 147
    It's not an "oil pressure monitor" that only tells you when the oil is low.

    It's an electronic gauge that tells you the exact oil level and it is more accurate than a dipstick. BMW even made the gauge look like a dipstick for those of you who have a hard time adapting to this decade's technology.
  • anon3anon3 Posts: 147
    What makes no sense is someone saying that swapping the manual dipstick for an electronic one somehow makes the vehicle impossible to service outside the dealer network.
  • anon3anon3 Posts: 147
    Never changed/checked oil a day in my life? Whatever.

    Yes, I've used iDrive considering that I've owned 5 BMWs with iDrive (and 9 without). And yes I have noticed that it takes "a while" for iDrive to produce an oil level reading when the engine is cold. That's because the reading is taken when the engine reaches operating temperature. By design. And you can check the oil electronically using the on board computer of recent BMWs without iDrive, which unfortunately also requires you to actually read the owner's manual.

    People who yearn for the last century when they could play backyard mechanic might as well just get used the idea of technology being embedded in every component of modern vehicles. That technology is bringing 500 - 600 hp (and more) of racing technology into our garages with 0 - 60 times in the low 4 second range while still getting close to 20 mpg on the highway while being comfortably driven on a daily commute. And if you think it's bad now, wait until you get under the hood of a hydrogen vehicle or any of half a dozen new technologies currently in development.

    The bottom line: don't spend 70 grand or more on a new BMW (or a Mercedes, or a Porsche, or a even a $30k Prius) if you're a technophobe and you yearn for the do-it-yourself mechanical simplicity of a Ford Pinto. And if you want to prove that you're a real man (or woman) because you can use a dipstick, get yourself an eight year old Chevy and have at it.
  • ny540i6ny540i6 Posts: 518
    Geeze, Anon.... what's with the hostility? So some of us find dipsticks useful.... so sue us. No one is questioning technology.... when appropriate, we simply don't agree that this particular "step forward" is so great. You are ignoring the point of my post - at least with the tire pressure monitor one does have the option of using a gauge.... if the "electronic gauge" fails, you have no recourse but to pull over, shut down, and call a tow truck - I assume you would agree that an indication of extreme low oil level would mean shut down until you could verify that there was not a problem.
  • jeqqjeqq Posts: 216
    BTW, if I copyright the saying, I'll get my lawyer after you if you keep on using it ;-)

    Ny540i6, you don't understand Anon's hostility? Why not ask him what gives with the three consecutive posts - one after the other?

    BTW, I really hate the auto gear selector. Another piece of ...ah... technological marvel.
  • ny540i6ny540i6 Posts: 518
    ...but I don't know how. ;)
  • jeqqjeqq Posts: 216
    BTW, I also hate the signal/blinker mechanism. Another technological marvel on the 5 series.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,357
    Geeze, Anon.... what's with the hostility? So some of us find dipsticks useful.... so sue us. No one is questioning technology.... when appropriate, we simply don't agree that this particular "step forward" is so great.

    Exactly.

    You are ignoring the point of my post - at least with the tire pressure monitor one does have the option of using a gauge.... if the "electronic gauge" fails, you have no recourse but to pull over, shut down, and call a tow truck - I assume you would agree that an indication of extreme low oil level would mean shut down until you could verify that there was not a problem.

    Then there's the documented problem of the oil level sensor indicating that the sump is a quart low when in fact it is full...
    As someone who has actually owned BMWs since 1983, I have found that Munich's current penchant to be a "first adopter" may in fact impress the techno-geeks("Wow, I can check my oil at 70 mph!!!") but in the long run it brings unnecessary complications to the driving experience- something that was once anathema to BMW's philosophy of driving. The headlong rush to introduce iDrive is a perfect example. The initial implementation in the 2001 E65 7er was neither intuitive or convenient to use. BMW did improve and refine the interface to the point that the version fitted to the E90/E92 was an order of magnitude easier to operate, but in the meantime a lot of drivers were infuriated and many became disillusioned with the marque. It seems that only the M cars maintain a focus on the enjoyment of driving rather than on gee-whiz gadgets.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,357
    BTW, I also hate the signal/blinker mechanism. Another technological marvel on the 5 series.

    That is another excellent example of Munich's current inclination to fix what isn't broken. I remember that when the E65 came out BMW wound up printing "Valet Cards" which provided step-by-step directions on how to start the car and put it in gear. Although that was a plus when I had my B7 press loaner; I knew that there was no way I'd be carjacked- by the time the punk got the boat under way the police would be on the scene... :P

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,579
    BTW, I also hate the signal/blinker mechanism. Another technological marvel on the 5 series.

    Wow, I REALLY like both the auto gear selector and the auto blink mechanism. They become seamless after using briefly and when I drive my other cars, I miss 'em. I find the signal/blinker mechanism especially very ergonomic compared to clunky signal mechanisms on other cars.
  • anon3anon3 Posts: 147
    What gives with the "three consecutive posts - one after the other?" Obviously... responding to three different posts from the past few weeks in one sitting. But I have a long way to go before I reach the lofty numbers of jegg's 219 posts.

    The electronic gear shifter takes a little time (just a little) to get used to. In the new X5 it actually provides a somewhat useful benefit... the switch to an electronic shift mechanism clears space on the center console for extra storage and two very large (by German standards) cup holders.

    The mid-model revision of the 5 series gets the electronic shifter and the corporate 6 speed steptronic transmission, but no improvement in storage space. So it does seem like a no-value-added technology "improvement" in the 5.
  • anon3anon3 Posts: 147
    I don't understand the statement that only the M cars maintain a focus on the enjoyment of driving rather than gee-whiz gadgets. That was probably true until the current E60 M5 and E63 M6, but no longer. My M6 is loaded with performance controlling/interfering gadgets. Just look at the programmable M-Drive button and the six different systems that it toggles. This is my third M vehicle (1997 M3, 2000 M5, 2006 M6) and it is by far the most complicated. But I've spent more time in it at the track than any other BMW and it's also the only BMW that I have kept for more than a year. That's because I prefer more granularity of control rather than less and I know that underneath it all, that technology is what makes it possible to achieve this kind of performance.

    The point of my comments is exactly this: the trend for years in every vehicle (not just BMW) has been towards more and more technology and that's not going to change. So we might as well get used to it and learn to adapt. We should be glad that BMW doesn’t take the cynical view that its customers are barely intelligent enough to tie their shoes and couldn’t possibly learn to use a different gear shifter or turn signal (that's Lexus' target market). These new features entail trade-offs and have some disadvantages, but the net effect is a better vehicle. We're just complaining about inconveniences at the margins and ignoring the major improvements that this technology makes possible. And all this complaining about "learning new gadgets" reminds me of my grandparents' first attempt to figure out the remote control for their satellite TV receiver.
  • jamesgjamesg Posts: 19
    i agree that the I drive technology is empowering, but i can definitely understand that there is a segment, probably pretty large, of the population who will not be willing to put in the effort to learn the potential of the system. moving from my e39 to my new e60, i probably spent 10 hours with the manual to learn all of the detailed options. prior to that, i had been a bit frustrated with rentals not knowing how to tune the raido without a messing around. given the learning upfront investment, it is now simple (except my bluetooth phone which still has occasional issues). i wish i had the m controls to play with more performance related options. my wife on the other hand has never opened the manual of any of her cars and may be in for a challenge when she buys her x5.
  • jamesgjamesg Posts: 19
    point taken on the 535. i love the sport package on the 550 though, would not have moved to an e60 without it.

    my mileage reference point is my old 540i though and i would have expected the new v8 to be no less efficient than the old one. perhaps the auto transmission is killing the mileage..time will tell.
  • I have 3500 miles on my 550 with sport package and in urban highway and city combined, I average a bit over 20mpg. I notice that there is a big difference between city driving and highway. I can get as much as 28 mpg cruising for a lengthy time at about 65. When I get in some stop and go, it goes down fast.
    Overall for this size car with this much performance, I think anything in the 20s is pretty good. I too opted for the 550 sport over the 535 because it feels like a different car. I don't think it's the engine as much as the M suspension and perhaps the fact that it has non run flats. Driving the 2 back to back was a different experience. Both great cars and I don't know that the price difference is really worth it, except it is to me.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,505
    "Both great cars and I don't know that the price difference is really worth it, except it is to me."

    ... to you.

    True that.

    Enjoy the 550!
    - Ray
    Thinking 28 MPG at 65 is pretty good - but would mean 25 or less at the highway speeds I typically hit...
  • jeqqjeqq Posts: 216
    got so fired up. Yes, technological advancements are necessary but they also need to be ergonomically/user friendly. When I pick up something new and the technology makes it easier for me to use, I'm in love with the product.

    How many times have you looked at a new product and said " Man what were they thinking, why didn't they do this instead of that?"
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