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  • srfastsrfast Posts: 138
    E39/E46 in MY03 cars. You need to purchase the part and install it. Here is a link with more info: http://www.circlebmw.com/cgi-bin/acc/acc.cgi?db=acc&uid=&- Series=E39&Code=105&Partnumber=&view_records=Search

    Hope this helps...JL
  • Many thanks for the link to adapter kit. Perfect!
    -Billbrox
  • ewoqewoq Posts: 37
    FWIW, a generic comment, followed by many links to explanations (from simple to technical) for torque and horsepower.

    From Smart Motorist:
    Performance - Performance has become an important safety feature for modern drivers. A responsive gas pedal allows you another option (brake or accelerate) when an accident unfolds before you. Good performance allows you to pass slow-moving vehicles on country roads, and to merge into fast-moving feeder lanes on expressways. Fast thinking and a responsive throttle can help you to avoid an accident that a slower vehicle couldn't.

    When evaluating a vehicle, take a close look at the engine size (expressed in liters), the number of cylinders (4, 6, or 8), and the engine's power output (expressed in horsepower). By comparing the horsepower of two different vehicles with the same drive train and overall weight, you can determine which vehicle is faster, or has the better performance. A lighter car will be faster than a heavier one if the horsepower is the same. An engine's strength (expressed as torque) is determined by two factors, the number of cylinders and its horsepower. A six-cylinder engine with 140 horsepower will have more torque than a four-cylinder engine with the same horsepower rating.

    Double overhead cam (DOHC)-equipped engines offer many advantages over single overhead cam (SOHC) engines. Because DOHC engines have twice as many intake and exhaust valves as a SOHC motor, they run cooler and more smoothly, quietly, and efficiently. To ensure against costly DOHC engine repairs, make sure you change your engine's timing belt every 60,000 miles.

    Performance-minded shoppers may be looking for turbocharged or supercharged vehicles. These have performance-enhancing devices that re-utilize the engine's exhaust flow (turbocharger) or excess torque (supercharger) to increase the horsepower.

    http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/november98/torque.shtml

    http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/techcenter/articles/43844/articl- - e.html

    http://www.automotivehelper.com/topic109796.htm

    http://www.off-road.com/hummer/tech/power.html

    http://homepage.mac.com/dgiessel/engine/hpvstq.html

    http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/868/

    http://dynoperformance.com/article_details.php?ID=3

    http://www.dynacam.com/Product/Torque_vs__Horsepower/torque_vs__h- - orsepower.html

    http://www.revsearch.com/dynamometer/torque_vs_horsepower.html

    http://vettenet.org/torquehp.html

    http://www.allpar.com/eek/hp-vs-torque.html
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    I find the next-to-last link in ewoqs post to be fairly well-written and comprehensive. The difference can be confusing especially since "horsepower" is a misnomer. Thanks to ewoq for compiling the links.
  • Thanks ewog. That was very helpful and just what I was looking for.
  • manybmwsmanybmws Posts: 347
    Had it installed in my MY03 530. About $130 installed. Works great.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Edmunds Full Test of the 2004 530i is up - you can access via the Helpful Links box on the left side of the page. Check it out!
  • muddogmuddog Posts: 26
    Realizing how individualized buying decisions are, and having read many posts that discuss the Sport Package issue, I'm going to solicit some advice. I'm heading toward leaving my 2000 MB E430 behind, and getting a 545i, automatic. The main remaining issue is the Sport Package. I like the active steering, but believe that other things -- like the wheel size and low profile tires -- will not be suited to my needs.

    I like to drive a nice car, with performance features, but I spend 99% of my time on city streets or highways, don't fancy a "sports car" type feel, but don't want (yet) the refrigerator effect of Lexus 430. I am inclined to NOT do the Sports Package (after initially believing I wanted it), because it does not seem to fit my driving needs very well -- would "perform," but would be "rougher" over city streets, etc. (like my wife's FX35 -- it is fun, but very bouncy).

    Would appreciate any thoughts about whether I am overlooking or misanalyzing something. While it's not the $3300, I don't think I'd be getting my money's worth, when some of the non-Sport Package things seem to fit better for me.

    Thanks, anyone.

    Muddog
  • ny540i6ny540i6 Posts: 518
    I would suggest... NOT getting SP. The base is at a pretty high level of performance, and you seem to be pretty clear as to your desires/needs.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I suggest that you take a test drive over some bad roads in both SP and non/SP trim. Find a road that is unacceptably harsh in the FX35, and then drove both BMWs over the same road. One of the cool things about BMWs (including their SP equipped cars), is the amount of suspension travel/compliance for less than perfect roads. I have the SP on my 530i, and other than the very occasional severe frost heave, my car soaks up road imperfections with relative aplomb.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • sdg380sdg380 Posts: 109
    Mud, I got shouted down on this topic recently, but I stand by my recommendation that you can live without the SP, and still have a plenty firm and well-controlled ride.

    For the record, I've got an '02 530, had a '91 525 before that, and my wife had an '92 325, all without SP, and all handled great (and rode firmly).

    Now here in the Midwest, our roads are winter-ravaged, so the firmer SP ride, from stiffer suspension and low profile tires, just detracts from ride comfort, in my opinion (and invites dented rims). But the standard BMW suspension is not exactly a luxo-barge, and I think is a very good compromise between sport and luxury.

    If you plan to do any driving in inclemate conditions, there is little argument that the SP tires are completely unsuitable, thus mandating complete extra set of tires/wheels, and bi-annual swaps as long as you own the car. Just too inconvenient for me, but others didn't seem to mind.

    Aside from extra cost (which I don't think does much to enhance resale), and mixed reviews on Active Steering (which you'll get whether you like it or not with the SP), I don't think you could get a heated steering wheel with the SP (at least in '02), and that heated wheel is money well-spent around here. And while Active Roll Stabilization may be a worthwhile feature, I don't think it's essential, and it's not a stand-alone option (but at least it can be defeated, unlike Active Steering.) Also, I'm ignoring reliability/maintenance issues, but after all the Active Steering is brand new techology.

    My post number #8418 talked about this, many disagreed, but some agreed--and I couldn't help but wonder if some who espoused the SP were in warmer/drier climes, so the wheel swap and harsher ride were not such issues.

    I dare say you may hear from Riez, but I don't think he's had to deal with bi-annual wheel swaps or chewed-up roads--but we'll see (no gas intended Riez!)
  • muddogmuddog Posts: 26
    First, thanks to Shipo, ny540i6 and sdg380 for your replies. Appreciate that.

    Probably a dumb question -- can you get the Sport Package without the larger wheels/low profile tires, and get the active steering but reduce the "sporty roughness"? [I realize that the "real" drivers out there think that's a dumb idea anyway, but I like smoother.]

    I'm in San Antonio, so the winter wheel/tire swap is not an issue; but, like most cities, the roads are ALWAYS behind where they should be, maintenance-wise, so the extra cushion that comes from the smaller, higher profile just seems to fit me better (and I swear the rims on my MB are out of round because of potholes, etc.). But I will try both on 530's (can't really test drive the few 545s that come through, although I did drive one that a guy didn't pick up -- awesome), to see the difference.

    Anyone else who has thoughts, I welcome all perspectives. And appreciate folks' taking the time.

    Muddog
  • joatmonjoatmon Posts: 315
    I'll weigh in on this topic.

    First, if you read all eight billion and some odd posts, you'll find several lamentations on the missing sport pack. You'll also see that most of these cases are folks whose budget didn't allow them to "check all the boxes". Later, they said something like, "I would give up the 3.0 w/o SP for a 2.5 w/ SP" and such. I don't recall any posters that had the wherewithall to do it up front, chose not to, and then regretted it.

    Second, the BMW 5 is a great drive without the sport pack. If you drive a 5 with sport pack and say, "Wow, I HAVE to have this", then by all means order it. But, if that's not your reaction, then you can and should live without it.

    Third, get the car YOU want. No need playin' the mines better/bigger/faster/redder/meaner/badder than yours game. Get what you want, then forget about it.

    Enjoy the ride,

    Happy Jack
  • sdg380sdg380 Posts: 109
    ...clearly, in the South you avoid the whole wheel swap issue, but in answer to your question, the SP is just that, a package, and I think the only thing you could change would be the wheels/tires (hard to say at what cost.) Active Steering is always "on", but I think Active Roll Stabilization can be turned "off', but don't know if that reduces "sporty roughness", as you say--may just deactivate the variable nature of the susupension to a "default" firm effect.

    Now personally, I'd go where I think you might be headed, a 545 w/o SP, just a few select options to keep the MSRP as far south of $60k as possible--but that's the "value" shopper in me!
  • jbf5jbf5 Posts: 32
    Does anyone know whether the auxiliary audio input adapter requires dealer install, or can you install it yourself? (See Srfst's post #8474 above).

    Thanks.

    J
  • ksomanksoman Posts: 590
    ooooo, considering how most edmunds reviews of BMW cars are like BMW was created by god, this one really is a slap in the face. I still like the 5 overall if i overlook parts of the tail.

    ksso
  • srfastsrfast Posts: 138
    The kit comes with very detailed install documentation and should take 90 minutes max. If you are not comfortable doing it yourself, purchase the adapter and have a local auto audio shop do it. Their labor rate is much lower than any BMW service dept.

    Hope this helps....JL
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I think that the Edmunds review of the E60 530i is quite fair given all of the controversy the new car has generated. The one thing that struck me was the slow acceleration numbers that they posted, 7.2 seconds to 60? What's up with that? I thought the new car was supposed to be slightly lighter than the old one, and as such, should be faster.

    The posting of the new article reminded me that I had taken issue with some of the factoids from the previous article titled, "BMW 5 Series - The Best Car in the World?" According to my E-Mail to the powers that be at Edmunds dated 22-Jan-2004, the original version of the article said, "Then in 1968 BMW introduced the large "E21" (its designation inside BMW) sedan powered by a new range of inline six-cylinder engines and sold as the 2500 when equipped with a 2.5-liter version of the six and the 2800 with a 2.8-liter displacement."

    In my E-Mail I wrote, "It is my understanding that the E21 BMW model designation was assigned to the 3-Series range of cars between 1975 and 1983. As for the old 2500 and 2800/Bavaria (referenced in the article), I thought that they were designated E3."

    On 26-Jan-2004 I received the following reply:
    "Dale,
    You've got a sharp eye. Indeed the "E21" designation was for the 3 Series, not the 5 Series. We will make the correction.

    Thanks.

    John DiPietro
    Road Test Editor
    Edmunds.com"


    Sure enough, upon checking the article I see that they have substantially re-written the paragraph regarding the 5-Series ancestors. Unfortunately I don't think it reads as well as the original layout (minus the incorrect factoids of course). I guess that's why they get the big bucks. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • cericceric Posts: 1,093
    quote:
    "Because DOHC engines have twice as many intake and exhaust valves as a SOHC motor, they run cooler and more smoothly, quietly, and efficiently."

    That may be a typo from you, I suppose. DOHC has very little to do with number of valves comparing to SOHC. DOHC has twin cams to control valves, one for intake valves, the other for exhaust valves. SOHC use a single cam to control all valves. Due to separate control of valves, DOHC engines are able to obtain better performance by tuning valve timing more optimally than SOHC counterparts. For example, many I-4 engines have 16V no matter that are SOHC or DOHC. However, it is likely to have less valves on SOHC engines than on DOHC, which makes sense from cost point of view.

    I hope no one got confused from reading #8476. Just FYI.
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    muddog. Test drive one with and without the Sport Package. That is the only way you'll know.

    Believe joatmon is absolutely right. Can't remember anyone bemoaning having the Sport Pkg but have read a lot of posts from buyers who regret not having it. And posts from 2nd or 3rd BMW buyers who didn't have the Sport Pkg on their first car but do have it on their subsequent car(s).

    At least for the E38, E39, and E46 the Sport Pkg is a must! Only time will tell about the E60 and E65, but if history repeats, the buyer who loves to drive will get the Sport Pkg.

    I live in the snowy/icy midwest and loved my 540i6! No problems with ride or wheels.
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