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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,109
    I'll bet you the damage to your car is over $4k. There are many plastic parts that can be damaged quite easily even in the instance of a low speed crash. A few years ago I hit rear-ended someone in the Saab I was driving in stop and go traffic. There was more than $5000 worth of damage to my car. The radiator cracked (plastic), the AC condenser had to be replaced... NOw I'm not saying the same goes for your 5er, but just be prepared. As long as nobody got hurt is the most important thing. The headlight assembly alone will probably cost between $1200 & $1500.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • banglenotbanglenot Posts: 31
    nyccarguy: Agreed. I based the damage on a 40 mph hit on a deer several years ago in my E39. Left front, flipped the deer over the top of the car. (Fortunately, that's an "act of God" for insurance purposes, so no harm no foul -- except for the deer...). Anyway, the damage was less, but similar. I'm assuming the cost will be pretty ugly, both for the car and when my insurance co gouges me for an at-fault accident. But, in 99% of rear-enders, you can't blame anyone but yourself.

    pen101: Absolutely true on the 20-30 mph crashes. Then every bit of safety is welcome. But a low speed impact like this? Oh, well...

    saugatak: yeah. I'm wondering what happened to 5 mph bumpers. Figured he had them, from back in '92. I had a nicely shaped piece of plastic with nothing under it. No one expects it should be a tank, but I was surprised how much more the E60 crumpled than the E39. Different accidents, of course, but it brought home how a bumper isn't much of anything but decoration in most cars today. And, as said, aluminum isn't very strong...

    Take care, all--
  • cassidymcassidym Posts: 108
    topspind628, my service writer at one of the local BMW dealers is refreshingly candid about BMWs and service issues. He echoes what you say about the 7-series. Anyway, regarding the 5-series, he tells me that they are showing up with some of the same problems the 7 had although not as extensive. Says most of the problems are related to the software in various systems. For example, many 5's come in because the passenger side airbag warning shows it as inoperative when there is a passenger who weighs less than 110 pounds in the seat. The fix for this is to download and install new software which he says takes a couple of days before you get your car back

    He tells me that, overall, the 5 is having lots less trouble than the 7 but, were he to be buying one, he'd wait till the 2005's come out and BMW has solved most the problems. Does say that iDrive is much less of a problem in the 5 than the 7, an opinion which seems to be shared by many of the contributors to this forum.

    I don't own a 5-series but have test driven them extensively (obsessively to hear my wife describe it)and am impressed enough that I plan to buy a 545i. But heeding my service writer's comments will wait till the 05's are here; at least as long as my 1986 325eS doesn't strand me on the freeway.
  • kyfdx@Edmundskyfdx@Edmunds Posts: 25,898
    First, my condolences... I know your pride is hurting just as much as your car, as I did the same thing two years ago.

    I doubt any of this has anything to do with the aluminum. It is how cars are designed for crash protection. I don't think you can design it to protect you at 20-30MPH, and not have it partially destruct at 9MPH.

    I too had a low speed crash..I'm not certain of the MPH, but I had only moved 15 feet from a dead stop, so I'm certain it was under 15MPH. I had airbag deployment and the total bill was over $11K on a 4 year old Honda CRV. Not much aluminum involved there. Given my car was only worth about $14.5K, it was totaled.

    It was fortunate you weren't hurt. It is disappointing, I know, but the pain will ease with time.


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  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Banglenot… sorry to hear about your cruncher. But blame it on structural design, not aluminum. The car with the lower bumper will take the brunt of the damage. Today's cars don't match up well in front-end to back-end collisions—the front ends are low in comparison and are susceptible to the force of impact being distributed ABOVE the front bumper. And this structural design is a direct result of styling design—the wedge shape of most cars.
  • pen101pen101 Posts: 238
    I wonder if the rear of the E39 (E60) can sustain a stronger hit before major damage results. Example: My E39 was rear-ended in a 3 car collision a few months back. The rear most car was a Mitsubishi. The front end was quite munched (not driveable). That car hit a Volvo C70 (also not drivable). The rear bumper was pushed forward and down. The C70 was knocked into my car, which was at a stop. The front bumper of the C70 was also pushed down and back. My guess is that the hit was around 8 to 10 MPH. The only damage to my car was a piercing of the bumper by the Volvo's license plate frame screws. The replacement of my BMW bumper cost less than $750. I was not injured. No whiplash or anything. I think I felt my seat move slightly forward with my head to prevent a possible whiplash.
  • banglenotbanglenot Posts: 31
    designman -- thanks for the kind words. In fact, my front bumper did ride only slightly under the '92 Merc. But, due to the large amount of aluminum, the total cost of the 5-7 mph hit is around $7K, according to my bodyshop. To avoid a massive increase in my premiums here in New Jersey, where even one "at-fault" is a premiums disaster (they may triple in price), I may have to pay for it myself.

    pen 101: I think the designs of the front and back are very different, with the front intended to absorb and deflect a lot more impact force than the rear. In the case of the E60, a majority of the aluminum is in the front.

    Since this is my first experience with the result of a relatively slow crash in an aluminum car, I question whether I'd buy another where so much strength is sacrificed for the sake of weight.

    To all you E60 owners: I don't consider myself a tailgater, but I'm going to add a few car lengths from now on. This car hits something and it adds up real fast....

    Oh, well, live and learn...
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Just be glad you lived to learn. :) Even slow accidents can be deadly if the circumstances are right.

  • stl540stl540 Posts: 67
    There was a lengthy discussion on this board a few weeks back about the benefits or not or AWD. I attended the Mercedes C-Spot test drive this weekend where I was able to drive all models of the 2005 C-Class. The test drive was through a set of cones in a parking lot. Half the track was wet and half was dry.

    First drove the C320 sedan with SP. Handled the wet and dry sections of the track very well. The car stayed on path with minimal effort. The stability control kicked quite a few times to keep the car on path.

    I then went to the C320 sedan w/o SP. Tried to drive the same way as I drove the the SP. I had to really slow down at a couple points because the car could not handle the curves at the same speed as the SP. The braking was also a challenge to get it to stop as quick before hitting the cones. I attribute a lot of the handling difficulties to the A/S on the non-SP compared to the summer tires on the SP. The stability control kicked on a lot to keep the car on path.

    I drove the C240 4Matic AWD sedan. The car did not spin a tire in the wet track (even on the plastic matt at take off). The handling of the car was not near as impressive as the C320 SP. Again, I attribute a lot to the tires. I would also suspect the other suspension mods on the SP helped a lot.

    Overall, the RWD with SP was the easiest and fastest of cars to drive through the slalom. The test drive really showed off how a good stability control system helps a RWD car stay under control when pushed to the limit. I did not see any benefits of the the AWD in the test drive.

    The C-Spot also had a few C32 AMG on site (349HP, 0-60 in 4.8 sec) to go around a separate track that was much larger than the other track so the cars to breathe. There were professional drivers that took passengers for a very exciting drive. All passengers were required to wear helmets. The car was sideways aprrox 30% of the time. It got the blood pumping. I highly recommend it.
  • woodranch1woodranch1 Posts: 35
    I have an 2003 540i with the premium sound package which I find lacking. Has anyone upgraded the factory sound system and with what. Does having the nav system complicate things?

  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    Sorry, but I've just got to vent...
    Today my wife was stopped in a line of traffic when her 528i was rear-ended by an imbecile in a ratty(is there any other kind?)Cavalier. The brain dead moron tried to swerve to the left and thus nailed the left rear corner of the car. Hard. Fortunately, my spouse was unhurt but the same cannot be said of the 5er :( The left rear quarter is buckled, the left rear door will barely shut, the bumper cover is ripped, I can't latch the trunk, and various trim pieces in the trunk are cracked and broken. Oh yeah, the muffler got clocked as well; the tailpipe is crushed nearly half shut. My shop's initial rough estimate is somewhere north of $7000-and that's before they tear into the car. To top it all off, my wife called me right after it happened and when I arrived on the scene the perp got mad at ME because I wouldn't talk to him or join hands and sing Kumbaya. The only thing that lifted my spirits was the condition of his Chevy; it looked like it had been run over by an M1 Abram: one Bling-Bling Chrome wheel cover was shattered, the hood was buckled, the front bumper had fallen off, the windshield was cracked, and it was leaking coolant, ATF, and motor oil. As we drove off, my nine year old son observed, "Dad, that guy was lucky." "How come?" I asked. "Because if he'd run into your Club Sport he'd be dead now."
    Perceptive kid.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,109
    you just can't make that material up:) Glad to know your wife is OK. Too bad about the 5er! Good luck!

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Ouch, I feel your pain. :-(

    "Because if he'd run into your Club Sport he'd be dead now."

    Yup, both of my kids (7 and 10) know that if somebody was to nail my 5er they'd be in a whole world of hurt. ;-) Hang in there, I trust you know of a quality shop that will iron out your 528i as good as is humanly possible.

    Best Regards,
  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    Thanks for the support. The shop I use is excellent-and prompt to boot. The only thing that kind of worries me is that the doofus was driving his girlfriend's car-she had proof of valid insurance but if he's not a named driver on the policy then the carrier might deny coverage. I'm expecting the worst-judging by his tatooed and toothless demeanor I wouldn't be one bit surprised to find out that he has an older brother named "Dad".
  • cmr530icmr530i Posts: 278
    So sorry to hear about your wife's accident. Glad to hear she is well. If possible, let your insurance company fight the battle with the "toothless wonder." You have powerful attorneys on your side (through your insurance company) who know how to go after the $$ in these situations.
    Good luck.
  • cmnottcmnott Posts: 200
    div2, take a pill, will ya? Sounds like you never have been at fault in an accident. I hope it never happens, but if it does, I am sure you will dress it up like banglenot did..."I just took my eyes off etc..." blah, blah. blah. I am sure the "toothless wonder" that hit your Beemer enjoyed the experience? Both experiences have on thing in common, not paying attention. The difference is the demographics. He is apparently white trash while the BMW owner is worthy of grey poupon? They are both at fault

    Some people...

    Anyways, while I am sorry for your brand new E60 getting crumpled, it has to be said that only in times of accident do people wish that they were driving a battering ram in order to avoid damage. It is unfortunate, however, the role of a car is to protect the occupants first and worry about insurance issues later. The fact that you hit a battering ram and obviously were not lucky enough to even use your bumper is crappy luck. Just make sure that they do not milk you for the bumper...inspect it carefully and make sure they only replace the skin, not the shocks in the bumpers and all the other hardware.

    I am considering an E60 and I hope you enjoy your car. The sad thing this day and age is insurance companies not having any leniency or understanding, even if you have had a clean record for ever. It is like a pay protection money and when you need prtoection, they givr you a hard time.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    "It is unfortunate, however, the role of a car is to protect the occupants first..."

    Don't know about that. Cars could be designed a lot better for safety. The problem is they would look a lot different. And if people were so concerned about safety, we'd see everyone wearing helmets. You rarely see kids riding bicycles anymore without helmets, at least in my location this is the way it is. Makes perfect sense when you think about it, especially since head injuries are the major cause of death in auto accidents. Would not be surprised to see helmets starting to appear in cars.
  • manybmwsmanybmws Posts: 347
    I have installed a couple powered subwoofers over the years. I currently have a 10" Audiobahn in the back of the 530. Nicely complements standard audio configuration.
  • warthogwarthog Posts: 216
    Did you read div2's post? What he said was that his wife was rear-ended while stopped. Why are you flaming him?
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "Sounds like you never have been at fault in an accident."

    Never. But statistically I believe time is running out. There is a new breed of hit and run. Those that cut you off, slam on the brakes and then claim it was your fault. It's only a matter of time before each one of us, is involved in a fender bender.
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