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  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Errr, yikes, we can hear you. Please, there is no need to shout!


    You might want to try Pacific BMW as they also have online sales of parts.



    Best Regards,

  • Just curious to know why every one is suggesting buying snow tires with wheels.


    Do the snow tires perform better on other rims other than the OEM from BMW?
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    juniorbmw... Check out the "recommended" Winter Tire/Wheel packages at places like The Tire Rack for various BMWs.


    Taller, narrower tires work best on snow tires. So most people go from 17" to 16" of 16" to 15". If you do this, your OEM wheels won't fit the snow tires. Plus winter is hard on alloy wheels. Salt, washings, etc. Cheap steel wheels are a great way to go. Why destroy your nice OEM wheels during slushy winter season? Wheels don't tend to look nice during winter anyway.
  • I was planning to buy the 530i AWD version - understand it will be available as a 2006 model. How much more is it expected to cost, and when will it be available for Euro delivery?
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,210
    While many here question whether it's worth the bother to replace tire/wheels twice a year (I don't, by the way, having lived in Edmonton & other such places), almost no one thinks it's a good idea to remount four tires twice a year on the same set of wheels.


    The wheels on these cars are a bit delicate, relative to old-school steel wheels, so the winning cold-weather compromise is to have a set of winter tyres mounted on a separate set of wheels.
  • kyfdx@Edmundskyfdx@Edmunds Posts: 25,965
    1) Ease of swapping out (you can do it yourself, if winters are mounted on separate wheels).


    2) Less wear and tear on the bead of the tire.. mounting and dismounting tires (both your summers and winters) up to six times is not good for the tire..


    I bought a set of used BMW alloys for mine.. I like the idea of the car looking good all year round. And, no... I don't swap them myself.. But, I get the job done much quicker, since mounting, balancing isn't necessary.

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  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Reason #4 for buying a second set of wheels: $$$


    Add up the cost of mounting and balancing vs. just rebalancing your wheels once per year (one set one year, the other set the next), and you will find that a couple of years of labor costs for the re-mounting more than eats up the money saved by not buying the extra wheels in the first place.


    Using my 2002 530i as an example; a spare set of Borbet alloy wheels costs $396 from At the same time, according to TireRack, the shops in my area charge between $25 and $32 per wheel for mounting and balancing compared to the $10 that I pay just for balancing. So, if I was to have used my OEM wheels year round, my cash outlay would be at least $200 per year for the remounting/balancing vs. $40 for just the rebalancing. Hmmm, let's see, @ $160 per year of savings, it took me less than 2.5 years to justify those wheels. Of course this does not even take into account the extra time required for the remounting process (more money in lost productivity) and the more expensive/less effective wider tires that I would have to use on OEM wheels.


    To my way of thinking, I more than paid for those wheels the first year just based upon the screwing around time that I didn't have to spend waiting around for someone to remount the rubber. Yeah but what about the time I spend waiting for my wheels to get rebalanced? Hehe, I drop them off at my local shop for rebalancing before I do the wheel swap. Almost zero time lost as that shop is in my normal area of travel.


    All things considered, I can only think of a single argument for not buying the extra wheels; you only plan on driving the car in question for a single winter season.


    Best Regards,

  • khoonkhoon Posts: 84


    Could someone please comment on the availability timeframe for the 530Xi? I was planning to take euro delivery and am looking for any information that might be available on pricing and availabilty.


    Th in advance.
  • jim53jim53 Posts: 109
    What would be considered a good deal (over invoice or under MSRP) on a 2005 545? I just started shopping but am definetly leaning towards this car. Also, what is everyone's thoughts on the Steptronic vs the SMG transmission. I'd opt for the manual but my wife will only drive an automatic. Can teh SMG be driven in "automatic" mode?
  • I was told by two separate dealers that the XI should be available sometime late spring/early summer. The cost increase- above the RWD 530i- should be $1500-2000 more. For those who wish to lease, the residual #'s will likely be a point or two lower on the Xi models.
  • khoonkhoon Posts: 84
    Tx. I've been eagerly awaiting feedback on the availability and pricing for the 530Xi.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    If you are thinking about SMG, I would suggest making sure your wife drives it and likes it. SMG is all sport and anti luxury.
  • kyfdx@Edmundskyfdx@Edmunds Posts: 25,965
    And.... most people hate it...

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  • jim53jim53 Posts: 109
    What exactly do they hate about it?
  • kyfdx@Edmundskyfdx@Edmunds Posts: 25,965
    It is hard to be smooth, like with a normal manual... and, it makes a poor substitute for an automatic transmission.. rough shifts, even in automatic mode...


    That seems to be the general consensus.. I'm sure some people like it...




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  • sdg380sdg380 Posts: 109
    Jim53, I've driven an M3 with SMG (so not the latest version in the E60), but it was hard to see the attraction. Not nearly as smooth as an auto, especially during stop and go, yet couldn't be controlled for smooth shifts (or otherwise), like a regular manual, with judicious use of the clutch. So after a few minutes, the novelty sort of wears off, and you stick it in "auto" mode, and then you realize that you probably would have just been better off with an regular automatic, with that power-robbing, but oh-so-smooth torque converter (ie, fluid coupling).


    And this is completely apart from stories of service/reliability problems with SMG.


    Get a regular auto, maintain marital bliss, maintain resale value, get something else for yourself with a stick.


    Re "good deal", a 545 has at least several thousands of dollars of mark-up, but depending on supply, I don't think you can expect much more than a thousand or two off the list, they seem to be selling pretty well.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Sdg380, well said. I believe that was one of the most sober posts I have ever read around here. I say this with utmost admiration and respect for the other distinguished faculty members ;-)
  • cassidymcassidym Posts: 108
    jim53, drive an SMG yourself before making up your mind. I drove a 530 last year with SMG and thought it would have been a decent compromise if I had to share the car with an automatic driver. But, you need to try it and also listen closely to people who've driven one for a while. I gather from some of the posts that people who have driven them for an extended period aren't that happy.


    I bought 2005 545 six-speed (SP, CWP, NAV, HUD, SAT Radio)last September. Initiallly the salesman quoted me about $62K. I counteroffered $2K above invoice and he accepted. I also did the Eurpopean delivery which save about $5K
  • jim53jim53 Posts: 109
    Thanks. Is that 2K over US invoice or ED Invoice (I assume they are different)? I am looking at the SP, Nav, sat radio, and CWP. MSRP is around 63K. Invoice (per Edmunds) is 57,500. What price range should I be targetting? I want a good deal but don't necessarily want to drag this out over a few hundred dollars. I'd prefer to give 3-4 dealers a take it or leave it offer.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    “I'd prefer to give 3-4 dealers a take it or leave it offer.”


    Yep, that’s the way to do it. First, don’t waste their time, but make them sure that you are a serious buyer, then lowball. Even if it is too low, they’ll make a comeback offer knowing you WILL be buying, and if they all make an offer, you can get them to compete each other down. The problem is that 545s seem to be in high demand with low inventory so you probably won’t be getting a steal. It can happen though.
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