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BMW 5-Series Sedans

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  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Regarding your question of "feel", I too went from a 3-Series to a 5-Series (albeit E46 to E39), and if anything, my 5-Series felt sportier AND more luxurious at the same time. Go figure.

    I think the 5 has had less power assist in the steering which adds to the feel of the road. Also on the E60, the variable assist drops down considerably at highway speeds. On highway turns and jug handles at speed you really have to tug on the wheel with E60. I like that even though I would prefer it without the variable assist.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "I think the 5 has had less power assist (than the 3) in the steering which adds to the feel of the road."

    That might well have been the case with the later E46s, however, my E46 was a 1999 (built in 1998 no less) and it had the old/original "heavy steering".

    FWIW, I much prefer a heavy wheel, and both cars were wonderful in that department. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • You are right, boys, the xi has an entirely different set of options than the i. That really sucks because I live in the deep south and it almost never snows here. Why would I want the extra weight on frame to get the sport package I want (without the suspension mods)? You can get the multicontour seats as a stand alone option but not the sport steering wheel and with all multicontours you have to get the dakota leather which doesnt come in black or beige. I always get a black interior. Why dont they let you order what you want. At least they started optioning the sport seats without the sport suspension. Not the steering wheel. I like a thick one.
  • I meant the extra weight on frame as in the 4 wheel drive.
  • gohorns1gohorns1 Posts: 53
    "you have to get the dakota leather which doesnt come in black or beige"

    Actually, the dakota leather does come in black (as well as cream beige). In fact, that is what I did. I ordered a 535i with multicontour seats with the black leather interior and opted not for the sport package.
  • I guess edmunds is wrong. Under multicontour seats in the 535i they say "only available with LC(Dakota leather)" When you look under dakota leather it says:NOT AVAILABLE with beige,black.The caps are not mine, they are capitolized under Dakota leather.
  • aussiem8aussiem8 Posts: 27
    I am currently leasing an Audi A4 that ends in a year. I am very interested in replacing it with a 535xi (which would be my first ever BMW), but would like to have the sports handling package that comes on the 535i. Does anyone know why BMW doesn't offer the sports suspension on its AWD variants?? This is obviously not an issue with Audi's since all sports variants come with quattro. Any insights would be appreciated.

    Cheers
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    This has been hashed about a bit in the past and I don't believe that we've ever come up with a definitive reason. That said, until shown otherwise, it is my belief that it is a ride height issue. BMWs Sport Suspensions lower the car somewhere around an inch below the ride height of an otherwise identical "xi" model (which rides a tad higher than even a RWD non-SP car).

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • bruceomegabruceomega Posts: 250
    Shipo,

    I've seen several people postulate that the tuning of the suspensions in the Xi models, both 3 and 5 series, is somewhere between the non-sport and sport suspensions of the equivalent RWD versions. Do you have any insight into this?

    Thanks
    Bruce
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Hmmm, I kind of would have ranked them in order of dry road capabilities as:

    1) RWD-SP
    2) AWD-Optional wheels and tires
    3) RWD-nonSP (all-season tires)
    4) AWD-Standard tires

    Can't say I have any scientific evidence to back that up, just kind of a seat of the pants guess.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • Is there any reason for a person to get an xi unless there is snow and ice? Audi seems to think so however I have not found a comparison anywhere that although Audi makes a better than average car, weight seemed to always be a major complaint.I personally like a car to be as light as possible. I hate the current trend as cars inch there way toward and past 4000 lbs. It seems to me that an average car that is light is more fun to drive than a deluxe approaching 2 tons.
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    "Is there any reason for a person to get an xi unless there is snow and ice?"

    I'd go beyond that; IMO, you're better off with RWD unless you need to climb icy/snowy hills, ESPECIALLY since you are concerned with weight!
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,382
    you're better off with RWD unless you need to climb icy/snowy hills

    I swapped an A4 Avant Quattro for a BMW 528i, one of the reasons I went to RWD is that I found out the hard way that
    I could not climb the steep, snow-covered hill to my home with AWD unless I put on dedicated snows.

    I decided if I was going to have to do a seasonal changeover anyway I might as well enjoy the benefits of lighter weight and much less understeer afforded by BMW's beautifully sorted RWD chassis.

    Don't get me wrong AWD cars are a blast to drive in winter
    and I might yet buy another but there's nothing like a nice RWD with no power corrupting the steering the rest of the year. :)
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I swapped an A4 Avant Quattro for a BMW 528i, one of the reasons I went to RWD is that I found out the hard way that I could not climb the steep, snow-covered hill to my home with AWD unless I put on dedicated snows.

    Yeah, I found out the same thing back in the 1980s. Turns out that given the nose heavy bias of the Audi, if your would have turned the car around and backed your way up the driveway, you probably would have gotten up without winter treads. Of course it's all water under the dam at this point. Enjoy your 528i. ;)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • kcxkcx Posts: 10
    Bruce,

    I wonder if you resolved the car wash issue you brought up earlier :)

    I am still waiting for my 528xi which was built on the 16th and got on the ship on the 18th :)
  • bruceomegabruceomega Posts: 250
    kcx,

    No, have not resolved that yet.

    I washed the car once myself, but don't always have the time or energy for that.

    I've taken it to some self-service car washes, where you drive the car in and sit there versus a system that pulls the car through. But the self-service washes don't do as good a job.

    I had gotten spoiled by the full service car wash that gets the wheels really clean, dries the car thoroughly, and perhaps most appreciated, they clean the inside of the car, especially the inside window surfaces. I'm jealous every time my wife takes her X3 to the full service wash!

    I've started looking for a good detailer in my area, and maybe I'll discover something through that chain.

    Thanks
    Bruce
  • bruceomegabruceomega Posts: 250
    I am wondering if an Xi has an advantage in traction on wet roads, especially for the TT engine?

    One plausible explanation for BMW citing a lower 0 - 60 time for the AWD version of the TT engine is better traction with all that power, and wet roads would exacerbate traction issues.

    I've also seen posts by one of the moderators that races a Suburu saying AWD gives him an advantage on wet roads.

    Thanks
    Bruce
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "I am wondering if an Xi has an advantage in traction on wet roads, especially for the TT engine?"

    That's a pretty fair bet that a 535xi will suck the doors off a 535i (SP or not) in the wet. That said, I don't usually find myself needing that kind of acceleration on wet roads, it can get you into trouble real quick. :P

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,382
    Turns out that given the nose heavy bias of the Audi, if your would have turned the car around and backed your way up the driveway

    Actually I tried backing up the road, it had four to six inches of heavy wet snow on it but it's a long steep grade
    and the A4 was shod with Summer performance tires (Goodyear Eagle F1s) so it was just not gonna happen.

    Don't get me wrong A4 Quattros are awesome in snow IF they
    are properly shod. BMWs if properly shod will do just fine due to their inherent balance, but you already knew that. ;)
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Ahhh, I thought you had All-Season rubber there (maybe I didn't fully read what you wrote). Yup, the Eagle F1s are pretty much worthless in even a quarter of an inch of snow (as are most performance tires). :P

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
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