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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,661
    Tax, Title, Liscense, & Registration Fees

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH, 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L 4WD

  • The one fee I've already seen (& had me blowin my top) was the documentation fee. These guys want $180 for it. Tax, title, license, Reg - I can deal with...its the few you started out with that will make me crazy. Did I read on this site that someone extended the maintenance contract for $399? Do I dare ask how much is the extended Warranty?
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,661
    I was just kidding about the extended maintenance contract and extendede warranty...It was on an episode of Seinfeld the other night. Hilarious. $180 for a Doc fee is a bit excessive (about $160 too excessive).

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH, 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L 4WD

  • a little chop bustin uh? that's cool. Everytime I hear one of these dealer 'fees' it sounds like their bustin my chops! I can't see you profile right now...r u in Rockland Cty also?

    Colt
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,661
    In New City (Rockland County) and my parents still live there. I live in the city now, but go up to New City every 1-2 weeks. Are you getting your car from Wide World of Cars? Who was your client advisor (Read: Salesman)? Congrats on your new BMW 530! You'll be amazed at how much better a car it is than your 300M.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH, 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L 4WD

  • pvartpvart Posts: 2
    I'm currently looking at a 2002 530ia. However the newly designed 5-series is supposedly due out later this year. Does anyone have a feel for how much of a hit the 2002's will take in value once the new design is released?
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,661
    The next generation 5 series isn't due out until next year (2003) as a 2004 model (That's the rumor flying around this week anyway). A body change will certainly make the '02 depreciate more. If you're concerned about residual value, then why not lease? A lease guarantees the car will only depreciate so much (I believe currently a 5 series is worth 60% of its value after 3 years).

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH, 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L 4WD

  • pvartpvart Posts: 2
    I'm currently looking at a 2002 530ia. However the newly designed 5-series is supposedly due out later this year. Does anyone have a feel for how much of a hit the 2002's will take in value once the new design is released?
  • ah, New City, a fine town. I'm in Hillcrest since 1995. Went to Wide World with intentions of buying from them. They didn't have 1 530i I could test drive. Said they would call back. 8 days later, they had a 530i in we could test drive. Wife got bad vibes from salseman & dealer. We went to Prestige on Rt 17 in NJ. Nice operation. Dealt with Nick D? (can't remember the rest of his name). Thanks for the congrats. The 300M is nice, but the 5 is in another class.

    Colt
  • Can someone give me info. where I can get the ED invoice prices, also what is the typical wait time between ordering and delivery? Thanks.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    To say that I am less than enamored with the currently available pictures of the new 5-Series is a bit of an understatement, it seems that (former?) BMW designer Chris Bangle (the designer of the new 7-Series, which only a mother could love), has “Bangleised” the new 5er as well. In fact, I dislike what I have seen of the new 5-Series so much, that (among other reasons), I decided to turn in (at lease end, last of April) my perfectly serviceable 1999 328i with only 36,000 miles, so that I could make sure of getting one of the last of the current crop of 5-Series cars. Let me take it one step further; I would not be half surprised to see the resale value of the E39 5-Series car actually go UP when the new E60 is released.

    IMHO, BMW had better do some fast cosmetic work on the new 5er, or their market niche may be all but completely wiped out by their competitors. All this from a BIG fan of BMW. OUCH!

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    If you go to www.eurobuyers.com, and click on the "Revised 2002 5-Series Price List", you will find a three page PDF, where page one is all MSRP prices of the full lineup of 5-Series cars, page two is the invoice price list for the same and page three is a grid of package availability.

    As for the delivery latency between order and delivery, that actually depends on who you order from. In my case, I ordered a 530i last week Tuesday for delivery on 17-April-2002 in Munich. My dealership was able to swap one of their currently allocated cars (and as yet unsold) for my ED delivery in exchange for an ED allocated car from a month or two down the road.

    Put a simpler way, if you need it in less than 90-120 days, you will need to find a dealership that has vehicles going into production that have not yet been sold so the swap can be performed.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • Thanks Shipo,

    I'm ending my lease in May, looking a various vehicles. ED has sparked my interest in BMWs again. I am looking at the 540ia with s/p, cold weather, sunshade, prem. sound. MSRP 57,020--I'm looking at 36mo/15k, could you guess what the lease payment would be? How difficult would it be to work with your dealership (I'm in CA). Thanks!
  • Now they new deal is invoice 41920 + 1500 = 43420
    They lowered the acq fee to 525
    Still have a doc fee of 389
    Have changed the MF to .00205 after calling to lower to .00260.
    I believe I will put up the money for the 9 security deposits to buy it down to .00115.
    How much should this cost 9x550? Then the lease payment will be 561/mth.

    Respond asap, they want to do it before end of business.
    Thanks for everybodys help.
  • zubazuba Posts: 58
    I am test driving a 2000 Silver 528 w/Stick and Sport Package tomorrow! 17,000 miles certified and they are asking $37,500!!! Any thoughts on the manual. Have not driven one in 10 years regularly, but realize how they add to the feel and thrill of the drive. I am concerned with cell phone use and shifting, etc.....I may be leaning towards the same specs if it was Steptronic!! Should I assume the stick in a BMW is rock solid and will last to 100K and beyond!!
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Assuming that this is a new car AND that you have confirmed that the "Invoice" price they are showing you are correct, it sounds like a "Fair" deal for all parties.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    The price sounds high, I just ran a TMV on a 2000 528i, 5-Speed, Leather Seats, SP, Metallic Paint and a Moonroof, the price came out to about $32,000, so, unless there is more equipment on the car, that is a bad price.

    As far as living with the 5-Speed on a daily basis, trust me, you will get so used to it that you hardly realize that you are shifting. Make sure that you get a phone with a "Hands Free" option and a "PTA" (Press To Answer) button on the cord somewhere. I use one all of the time, and it is briliant.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Hmmmm, $57,020, I only come up with $56,520. Did you mean to include Xenon Headlights as well? If so, then the $57,020 numbers works.

    I did also happen to notice that if you include the SP on a 540iA, Uncle Sam dings you for $1,300 for a "Gas Guzzler Tax".

    I will do the calculation based upon the car with Xenon and SP, and we will soon see what the number is.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Oops! Xenon Headlights are standard on the 540iA, so, I am at a loss as to where the extra $500 comes from.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • multiplechoice, i'm in southern ca and just orderd an ED 530i for $1,200 over invoice from Long Beach BMW. He said he'd extend the offer to anyone i referred to him. remember there is no MACO or training on ED.

    contact:
    Tony Lage
    Long Beach BMW
    800-794-4269

    Be sure to tell him ehstone@patelli.com sent you.

    Best of luck to you,
    Patelli
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Never mind, I found it. On the 530i (where my chart came from), the SP is $2,300, the SP on the 540iA is $2,800.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • zubazuba Posts: 58
    What is MACO and why do you need training on a ED BMW?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    OK, here is what I have come up with...

    Negotiated price: $53,405.00 ($1,400 dealer profit)
    CA State Sales Tax @ 7%: $1,343.53
    Luxury Tax: $462.15
    Gas Guzzler Tax: $1,300.00
    Total Lease Price: $56,510.66

    Residual: $34,212.00

    Assuming typical lease initiation costs, my calculation comes to between $850 and $870 (depending on the money factor that your dealership offers you).

    Hope this helps.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • You not add tax to the lease price... it is added to the payment. training is a fee some southern california dealers try to add to the car it is about $180.00. This is training for the dealer not the buyer.
  • I have a lease calculator in Excel.

    It amazes the dealers that I can calculate a lease accurately. It has saved me thousands over the last few cars I bought by catching those little "mistakes" the dealers like to make on leases when they add in a few bucks they know the average lease consumer will not be able to spot.

    Please contact me off-line at ehstone@patelli.com for more info on it.

    -Patelli
  • bs530bs530 Posts: 5
    The book says you can't order the lumbar package with the sport package. The dealer didn't know. Anybody try to get this option? Shippo, nice job of getting your car a month earlier. I put in my ED order about 10 days before you, but I needed to wait for the BMW Car Club rebate to hit the 1 year anniversary. Ordered a 530 Black Sap./Grey SP,PP,CW,Step,PDC,Xenon and depending on the lumbar question, Maybe the comfort seats. By the way I used Euro Buyers, Steve Diamond, so far 1,500 over ED price. No need to even haggle abit.
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  • The sales manager called and said that there is a $300 MACO and something about a $600 charge for preparing the vechicle. Is this a true cost or just another $600 in their pocket?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Black Sapphire & Gray, same exterior as mine, I really debated about the interior, I like Gray as well, however, I just had to go with the Black. If BMW would have offered a dark sumptuous Burgundy, I might well have been tempted that way as well.

    Congratulations on your new ride.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    There is not much that you can do about MACO, and the $600, Hmmmm, I guess it depends on what "Preparing the vehicle" means. Is this the destination charge of $645, or something else?

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
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