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Lexus LS 400/LS 430

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  • balderdashbalderdash Posts: 17
    I think I paid Tire Rack about $105 per tire for the 16 inch Turanza LS H tires, but I don't remember for certain. My OEs that wore out so quick were Yokohamas, not the Dunlops that you guys with later models have, which seem to be giving you better service.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    How did the LS-Hs effect handling compared to the OEM V-rated tires?

    My uncle has a 00 LS400 which I help him do alot of maint./repairs on because he is clueless about those issues and he needs you tires.
    He was about to pay the dealer $180 a tire for the OEM Dunlop SP Sport 4000's that can be bought on tire rack for about a $100. I recommended him to the LS-Hs.
  • sv7887sv7887 Posts: 351
    Hi All,
      I had Turanza's on my 92 LS. Normally I'm a Michelin man, but I was really impressed by them. Bridgestone makes a great snow tire in the Blizzak as well.

    So far my Dunlops have given me 21K miles and probably have half tread left in them. In my case, they are taken off for snow tires for 4 mos a year. I think Bridgestone offers a far better value for the money. The MXV4 Energy tires for my 92 LS were $138 a tire. They ride well, but I'm not impressed with the wear on them.

    I think the redesign is mid-06. This of course is speculation on my part. I haven't seen any hard data on what they are doing. Let's hope it's a nice looking car.

    SV
  • stevesteinstevestein Posts: 263
    18" wheels available on all configurations, all season tires avail. for 18' wheels. No color changes.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    The chime comes on at 5,000 miles as a service reminder and the triangular symbol sits there on the dash as if there is something wrong. They never had that before. On the GX they have a more subtle reminder. I'm still going 8-10K between services except the first free one. I'm also going to see if that reminder can be turned off. Lexus doesn't need to be Big Brother.
  • rgswrgsw Posts: 333
    See post #6035 this forum.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    Thanks. I missed that.
  • woppenhewoppenhe Posts: 61
    I paid $150 per tire for the LSZ special order from Costco a year ago. These were $25 less than any other place, but they were difficult to find, and it took Costco about a month to finally get them in. They were worth the wait.
  • Thanks Stevestein!
  • barry5barry5 Posts: 49
    The lexus check has arrived $1,239 for the rotors being changed as I insisted they are covered under warranty. Through lexus mediation they agreed to send a refund .

    I am able to protect the Dynamic Cruise Control Module [ I had to replace it as the glass was corroded and cracked on the module[a $2000 replacement]. I used self adhering vinyl on both the transmitter and receptor windows. This self adhering vinyl is used on LCD displays on computers and digital cameras. You peel off the vinyl and fix it on the glass and it sticks [no adhesives] it can be removed at any time. The product is sold in camera stores. I have used it now for 3 weeks and the module works perfectly and I feel protected from road debris and salted roads.The product cost $9.70.
    I have a 2001 LS 430 Ultra.
  • balderdashbalderdash Posts: 17
    In response to maxhonda99, I confess I'm not terribly sensitive to the way a car handles, and I didn't notice any difference in that respect between the OE Yokos and the new Turanzas. I would only have noticed if there were a gross difference, which there wasn't. Sorry I can't be of more help.

    My driving style is generally conservative, except that I accelerate very briskly away from stops and traffic lights, availing myself of the LS 430's amazing low-end acceleration (torque?), and almost invariably leave most other drivers in my dust. I don't understand why so few others routinely accelerate as I do. It doesn't really have to do so much with their cars' capabilities, because occasionally, (very seldom) when I come up against someone who does accelerate as I do, they stay with me even if they are driving an ordinary car. When that happens, since I am not actually drag racing them, I don't try to pour on the steam to see if I can ultimately out-accelerate them, which in most cases I probably could. My behavior lets them know I'm not competing. Most people seem to pick up speed from a traffic light slowly, but end up exceeding the speed limit by 10 mph or so. I'm the opposite. I start very fast but hold at the speed limit once I reach it. (I'm talking about the San Francisco area where I live. Maybe it's different elsewhere.)
    Am I crazy?
  • mfprmfpr Posts: 41
    I'm looking for some recommendations as to what I should expect for a discount off of MSRP when I start negotiating for an '05 LS. I realize that the figure will vary by region, but at least I will have some idea. I'm looking for the Premium Package, Smart Access and 18" wheels as options, with an estimated MSRP of about $58,500-$59,000, depending on Lexus' '05 pricing structure. Thanks for your help.

    Mike
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Congratulations on winning the refund. That's great to hear.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    2005 or 2004? They won't discount the 2005 in September much if any. Demand is too high that early in the model year and lease programs automatically keep the car close to sticker.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    I posted this on the high-end luxury board, but it applies here as well...

    The car connection just did a review of the LS 430 and seems to think it is the best luxury car out there:

    "You can make a case for either of the German competitors' dynamics or the English Jaguar's styling, but the truth is that right now there's no better luxury car on Earth than the Japanese-made Lexus LS 430."

    http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7351&sid=18- - - - 3&n=157
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    I think there's pretty much of a consensus on that. Car and Driver and Consumer Reports recently concluded the same thing. It's amazing that the Germans, in particular, have allowed this to happen.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    Let's not go overboard here. The best car is purely subjective. It is based on each person's preference. If it really was the best car, nobody would be buying anything else in it's class.
  • Sure people would buy other cars even if Lexus is the best in class.

    Evidence: They do buy other cars that are not as good as lexus and even pay more for them...

    Reasons:

    1) They are uninformed buyers.
    2) They buy prestege.
    3) They buy engine size.
    4) Looks..Inside or out.
    5) They have always bought BMW or Mercedes or Jag or whatever.

    I am sure there are many other reasons...
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    Purchase of a luxury car is often if not usually based on subjective criteria. I'm as guiity of it as anyone. But, I contend, if you are buying one on purely objective criteria, the LS430 will win out.
  • mapleleafmapleleaf Posts: 8
    Most buyers buy brand. Ever heard a Mercedes owner tell you he's taking his car to the shop? No way. It's always, "I have to go to Mercedes today". It's no different from Armani or Tiffany to him. His self-image is tied to the identity of the car. Ask yourselves this. Would you be driving this car if it were the Toyota LS 430. My guess is most of you would say yes. But maybe only now that you've owned the car. How many of you were initially buying the brand? Ironically, Japan marketed Lexus on its acute understanding of this brand-obsessed culture but they can't have expected that their quality and style would surpass the image they tried to evoke. This is why their advertising has always felt pedestrian. Remember the initial Infiniti commercials. They intuited that redundancy to such a fault that they didn't even show the car. Hilarious and brilliant. And they still can't sell Q-45's, which are almost in the 430 league.
  • mapleleaf:

    The Lexus/Toyota LS430 is actually sold under a different name in Japan and wears the Toyota badge but is the same car or in some cases a more advance version of the car)

    In my judgement the Mercedes S class is almost in the same league as the LS 430...Maybe you have been drawn to Mercedes by that string around your finger..The LS reputation for quality and dependability, interior design, and amenities are what drew me to it.

    I like the wind tunnel ad. and the pass key ad. At least they stress quality in their advertising rather then "strings around your finger"
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    Tiered branding exists in every business on earth. Sometimes it exists for different distinctions. In the case of Toyota it made imminent sense to create a luxury nameplate apart from the Toyota name. Now it is about to get worldwide rollout. They have done the same with the Scion - going in the other direction. So they can say they have 3 distinct car lines now - high-end luxury, mainstream and sport/youth. Smart business. The alternative is trying to bridge all of that under one nameplate. Look at the problems BMW and MB are having with their small cars coming to America. They are scared to death that it will defeat their luxury names - and they should be scared - because it will. This is probably more the case for MB because of its numerous quality problems right now. I'm sorry but cars that sell for $40-$140k do not belong in the same dealership as cars that sell for $18K-22K. You can't effectively market that broad of a range of product under a luxury nameplate. Not here anyway.

    The Q misses the mark badly and falls short of a true high-end sedan. That and the fact that Infiniti has been so inconsistent with it's definition is why it doesn't sell. But it still outsells an A8 here.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    Thanks for the info.
  • rgswrgsw Posts: 333
    Thanx for the BlueTooth info. Looks like it may be about $250 with a two year contract? Let's see if that's what Verizon wants for it. Motorola should be a good product.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    Please notice the line about Verizon customers having to wait patiently. My patience was down to a 30 day supply.

    http://reviews.cnet.com/Motorola_V710/4505-6454_7-30980661-2.html- ?tag=top
  • I've had my '04 LS430 for about a month now. I love the car. It is so much nicer than the E-Class it's replacing.

    With that said, I am very disappointed with the ML sound system. My problem is not with the sound quality. It's fine. My problem is with the speaker balancing. It doesn't matter which DSP setting I choose, the sound seems to come from the front of the car, rather than surrounding me. I think this is a result of mounting the rear speakers in the doors rather than the rear shelf.

    Playing with the DSP settings (the picture with the 4 seats) helps some, but the sound still comes mostly from the front.

    I've tried changing the speaker balance, but if you adjust it towards the back so that the sound surrounds you, then the sound quality gets noticeably worse (the high end starts to go away). Again I think this is because the rear speakers are mounted low in the doors, and are blocked by the front seats.

    The Bose system in my E-Class did not have this problem (it had speakers in the rear shelf). Has anyone else noticed this?
  • browserbrowser Posts: 1
    Is there a hack, fix, or modification that will allow me to use my bluetooth mobile phone (dial a number in the car's directory or dial a number I enter) while moving?

    Is there a hack, fix or modification that will allow me to enter new destination data or change an existing destination in the navigation system while moving?
  • rgswrgsw Posts: 333
    (1) 8-inch subwoofer installed in the rear deck. I did find the note I just posted here in the Specs on ML system. Granted the higher end speakers are located in the front and rear doors. I have been switching between Driver position DSP setting and the all seats setting to see if I can tell much difference. I haven't decided yet. I did not notice a large improvement when going from the regular LS430 radio/cd to the ML system in the 2004. I don't have any experience to compare it with such as the MB. In closing, I'm satisfied with the ML system and enjoy it a lot.
  • dtestadtesta Posts: 12
    I was told high end car stereo shops know how to make these modifications. I haven't found any that know what I'm talking about.

    I'm now looking into doing this myself for my '04 LS. I got the wiring diagrams. I plan to interrupt the speed signal wires going to the nav system and LCD display with Bluetooth system. My goal is to tie the AFS switch to a relay connected to these speed signals. So just switch off AFS to enter a destination or access the phonebook. The AFS light in the cluster is a reminder to reenable the speed signals.

    This is all theory at this point. I don't know how to get the LCD display out of the dash (without potentially breaking or scratching some piece of trim). The connectors I need to access are up high behind the dash. I hope the LCD hole gives me access.

    I'll post here if I get this all figured out but I'm pretty busy with work and life right now so be patient.
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