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Lexus LS 400/LS 430

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  • nofeernofeer Posts: 380
    Is the above picture with ecru wood and interior? If this is the ultra lux package, then i don't mind the wood color, the mini brochure shows a grey colored wood.
  • Nofeer, I took those photos of the prototype at the NY Car Show in April. The lighting was not good and you couldn't get too near the car. I ran the shots through Photoshop and it gave them a little goldish tone - more than I recall in the actual car. It was (unfortunately IMHO) closer to gray wood than gold or brown. The car exterior was silver. By the way, did you get that list of options from a dealer? What state? I checked my local dealers last Thurs and they didn't have that list yet (MD)
  • nofeernofeer Posts: 380
    I got that list posted in detail on the ls430 edmunds site,from my dealer in columbus,OH. if the wood indeed is greyish (i'll just have to see it in person) then i'll custom select my options. My sales rep faxed it to me on friday. Take alook at my posts on the ls430 site, i give my 2 cents as to MB 430 or 500.
  • K&N website does not list the applications with part #'s anymore (under construction ??), so, does anyone know the part # for the replacement filter for a 96 LS400 ? First someone told me to order E2606 and then I was told E2443, which is right?
  • I've inquired about attending an auction with an auto broker to purchase a used Lexus. My target is a '97 model with 35,000 to 40,000 miles. Has anyone had such a car buying experience, and possible savings for such a purchase? The broker is asking for a fee of around $1,000 for his part in any transaction. What sort of price range could I expect, on a wholesale basis, for a winning bid?
  • nofeernofeer Posts: 380
    I've talked to a broker similar and he only charge no more than $500 and supplied the sheets from the previous autions--sometimes the list of cars entering the auction-- to give me an idea of prices number of cars. What happens if you go to this auction (hope its a big one) and you don't find the car you want. Do you think you'll save $1000 if you don't use a local dealer deal or private sale?

    too high!!!
  • NOFEER: my thought was to go directly to an auction where Lexus dealers get their used cars, pick one out myself (the auto dealer I've contracted with would buy it for me), have it inspected on the spot (the auction house has, I've been told, one or two companies that can do this), get my own extended warranty at cost, and have a reliable (though non-Lexus) dealer to work with. My goal is effective use of time: I would get a good car, at a good price, without having to shop from dealer to dealer. Has anyone had the experience of buying at an auction?
  • Hello, everyone. This is my first time on the forum. I spent several hours reading everything here to see if anyone had talked about the problem I have with my LS400, but no one has. I’m writing this in the hope that my problem will resonate with some of you out there, and I’ll get some feedback, and your perspective.

    When the LS 400 first came out in 1989, I immediately decided it was the car for me. I spent the next 10 years waiting until I had the money to buy one. You can imagine my anticipation, then, on the day I finally drove out of Serramonte Lexus in my brand new silver 1999 LS 400. But then a funny thing began to happen. Something I would never have imagined. I realized the car had what seemed to me a serious flaw.

    It was obviously not a sample defect, but a basic design problem. I’ve been driving the car for 18 months and 30,000 miles, all along hoping I would get used to this quirk, but that hasn’t happened. An avid reader of Car & Driver and Road & Track, I read each issue hoping to find a reference to this problem, anywhere, with regard to any vehicle. There was never any mention of it in regard to LS 400s, but there were two references to it, about other vehicles.

    The problem? What the technical people refer to as “throttle tip-in.” I noticed almost from the beginning that it is impossible to drive my LS400 both quickly and smoothly. I had to choose one or the other. Quick means quick, not fast. When you push the accelerator pedal the car lunges. Only by pushing very gently can you avoid the lunge, and the few seconds, or even tenths of a second lost in that way deprives the vehicle of quickness.

    Example: You get a brief chance to jump into an adjacent lane while moving in slow, jammed freeway traffic. You hit the pedal hurriedly to take advantage of the brief opportunity before the car behind closes the gap. The LS400 lunges forward awkwardly into the lane, and then you have to hit the brake with a jolt to avoid hitting the car in front. Instead of a smooth zip zip operation, it’s a lunge-jolt maneuver. You look and feel clumsy.

    Example: You’re driving in heavy but steadily moving traffic on the freeway when you notice that there’s a jerk in an adjacent lane who is thinking about jumping in front of you, even though you have left less than a minimum safe distance between you and the car in front. If he succeeds in doing this, you will be forced to apply the brake. (I consider being forced to apply my brake to accomodate a lane changer as being “cut off,” because I devoutly believe that one should only make a lane change when he/she can do so without affecting the forward progress of the car you are pulling in front of). So you hit the accelerator to close the gap even further in an attempt to deter the jerk. The LS 400 lunges forward and then you have to brake because you got too close, to quickly to the car in front. If the attempt to gain speed quickly results in a throttle downshift, then there is a hesitation, a roar, and a lunge, which is even worse.

    Let me note in fairness to the LS 400 that in the vacinity of 50-60 mph and faster there is usually enough torque in 5th or 4th gear so that the car will gain speed smoothly and quickly without having to experience the lunging, which usually occurs at lower speeds.

    Now I know that this lunging doesn’t have to be. I previously owned an ES300 which was both smooth and quick. The maneuvers I described above could be accomplished with that car with ease. The ES300 lacked high-end poop, but that’s another story.

    I would appreciate any comments. Thanks.
  • My parents 2K LS400 has, I guess, the same throttle tip-in as you state. But I've never had a problem, nor have they, with having to hit the brakes after zooming into traffic. I find the tip in just fine. Part of it just may be because the 1998-on LS400s have alot of torque down low.

    ALso, have you tried normal or snow modes to see how the throttle tip-in is?
  • Yep I have the tip in, its almost nonexistant in PWR mode. I can't stand to drive it if it isnt in PWR.

    I took it back to the dealer when it was new, they explained it to me.

    Stephen, 98 LS
  • I wonder if Lexus will make the throttle tip-in user-adjustable (or at least dealer-adjustable) now that they are moving towards drive-by-wire on all their vehicles. I think this is an area where drivers experience a wide range of preference. Those who like to drive smoothly will likely prefer a slower tip-in, but that response would be much too slow for sportier drivers who require instantaneous response.
  • I forgot to mention that many other features on the LS are adjustable via the C-BEST system--seems like only a matter of time for throttle response.
  • Just wondered if anyone else misses a folding back seat. I know the none of the Lexus sedans have ever had that feature, yet many Toyota sedans do. Is utility too plebian for Lexus owners? :) Or is it that most LS owners also either have a truck, SUV, or minivan in their stable, or have everything delivered so as never to be in need of carrying long objects? Oh well, I guess it's a small price to pay for luxury. :)
  • I read a good road test of the LS430 on the car connection site.
    www.thecarconnection.com/consumer/Revie.../000911_WalkerLS430.asp?idSection=06&idCategory=05
    hope this works. Great review.
  • It didn't - Go to www.thecarconnection.com
    and find the review.
  • Does anyone know where I can acquire replacement hood struts for my 91 LS400? My dealer does indeed have them, but for 3.5x what I paid for replacement hood struts for my Taurus SHO at O'Reilly's...
  • Try Pep-Boys. Or a local parts store.
  • I greatly appreciate all your comments in response to my query about the throttle tip-in problem I have with my 99 LS 400. I guess it’s a very subjective thing. What I consider to be intolerable lurvhing just doesn’t affect others the same way. The comments by “enigmaone” to the effect that he (she?) is completely undisturbed by it leads me to this conclusion. I am assuming that we are both talking about the same car, that is, that his 2000 LS 400 is no different from my ‘99. At some point, either ‘98 or ‘99, Lexus added 30 bhp. Before that, there may not have been enough bhp or torque in the 260 bhp models to have made the tip-in problem that noticeable. “Lexusfan” suggests that for “sportier” drivers, a more damped throttle tip-in would make the response too slow. It’s actually paradoxical, because that’s just what I’m complaining about. I can’t have “quick” and “smooth” at the same time. Must smooth throttle tip-in necessarily result in slower response? As I said in my original forum entry, my ES 300 (for one) had both quick response and smooth tip-in. I’ve tried PWR mode, as “smithrow” suggested, but that didn’t rally make a difference for me. I tried SNOW, but that felt like the car was stuck in 2nd gear.
  • Its swithrow.....;)

    And the change was made in 98, mine is a 98.
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