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Lexus LS 400/LS 430

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  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    With one major difference, lijflx. My wife, believe it or not, DOESN'T DRIVE!
    Is this a perfect scenario or what?
  • topspin628topspin628 Posts: 373
    Very interesting. I am wondering if perhaps the first LS you drove with the hesitation was due to the car needing the software upgrade that I referred to in an earlier post. This is the fix for the hesitation and the less than smooth acceleration. It is for all 04's and some 05's and available on request for owners who object to the slight pause and surge characteristic. It seems that most people aren't aware of this remedy or are not dissatisfied with this trait. (Thankfully, I read about the service bulletin on this site.) Like you, I came out of a BMW so this was a bit annoying to me and I was quite surprised as to the difference it has made. The car really punches forward instantly now. The Power mode, on the other hand did not solve this issue for me, so I would bet that the first car you drove was in need of the software download and the second was not. Steering is a little light compared to BMW and not as crisp in that department nor in cornering but it is a true luxury ride. And for me a big part of that is comfort, fit and finish and last but not least, the peace of mind of Never having to worry if some electronic gremlin is going to pop up at any moment which will cause you some major inconvenience. I Never worry about anything mechanical going wrong in this car.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I believe the tradeoffs are fair coming from BMW.
    Very comfortable, smooth ride with a lot of power and very good seats.
    Yes, a little light on steering, but I quickly got used to it.
    It seems Lexus has fixed the hesitation problem because the LS I drove yesterday had great acceleration and the car was new-only 13 miles on it.
    If it wasn't for my current lease binding me 'til August, this car would have been mine.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    Hpowders - If you want the Euro you may need some lead time to order it. Keep that in mind as you go forward.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Okay. Good point, ljflx. I will keep that in mind.
  • garyh1garyh1 Posts: 386
    "Having experienced the slight hesitation in my 04 LS 430 and reading in many places that it was inherent, part of the LS experience etc. I then came across a posting that told of a tech bulletin TSB TC006-04 for this symptom. I decided to stop in to my dealer today and he gladly performed this "computer download" to adjust the shifting. I drove home and found the car noticably crisper in accelerating and that annoying microscopic but perceptible pause seemed like it was gone. The power of information. Keep up the good work everyone."

    I guess I can take credit for this one (see my posts in LS: Problems and Solutions #1416 on 2/15; Lexus LS #7168 on 3/9). Now even Bimmer-owners can enjoy the LS experience- right Howard?

    BTW, an excellent source of info on TSBs for all makes is http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov ; you can search by year, make, then model. There are few other TSBs for the '04-early '05 LS that owners might find of interest.
  • rgswrgsw Posts: 333
    If you think you want the 18" with sport package, better drive it extensively and be sure that's what you want. My salesman made the switch for a customer from 17" to 18" and then had to switch them back. The customer was not happy with the 18" at all. I acknowledge that he did not get the sport package. I also understand that some of the dealers ordered the LS430 with 18" wheels and not the sport package? The 18" tires are a different breed of cat.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Hey rgsw.
    Do you know why the customer was not happy with the 18" wheels?
    Please explain what you mean that the 18" are a different breed.
    Thanks.
    hpowders
  • garyh1garyh1 Posts: 386
    I think this is a reference to the discussion that has been going on on this forum about the impact of the 18" vs. 17" tires on noise and vibration, etc.

    Started around message #6903. Do a search on this forum on '18"' and you'll be able to easily see the issues.
  • sv7887sv7887 Posts: 351
    hpowders,
    Good to hear you liked the LS experience. One note about Silver. It is a very difficult car to keep "Shiny." My previous LS430 was the silver/black combo and when polished it didn't shine to well. (I used Autoglym polishes and 3M waxes)

    Silver is one of those colors that lacks depth unlike black or navy blue. The best way is to use Zaino polishes. It will literally glow once you're done with it and the finish is very durable. It does look unnatural to some extent but it does make it eye catching.

    I finally have gotten back to the US..5 Weeks in London was starting to get on my nerves. You'll never guess what my wife did..Once I got back in the house I quickly made way to the garage to have a look at my new car...I opened the driver door and she put THE CLUB on the steering wheel!!!!! She followed me downstairs with this evil grin on her face. "Nice to see you like MY new car!" Oh it's totally on now..I'll steal it back eventually. I swear she's going to get a Toyota Echo for doing this!!!

    SV
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Thanks for the info. sv7887.
    Whenever my wife decides she will take driving lessons, I change the subject to curtains or floor-tiles. Hasn't failed me yet. But if it ever does, well I guess that's what Toyota Echos are for.
    Hope she never finds out who hpowders is.
  • famwaldfamwald Posts: 114
    When test driving 18" versus 17" tires, be sure you are driving over the exact same patch of road.

    Yesterday I drove over several different sorts of road surfaces in the course of 12 miles, while running an errand. I hit one patch of blacktop that was particularly noisy: I could almost see the pebbles in it. Once that bit ended and I was on nice, smooth asphalt, our LS (with 17" tires) was 'quiet' again.
  • garyh1garyh1 Posts: 386
    HP--

    If you liked the silver, check out the Flint Mica. I liked it a lot-- combines some of the look of silver with the advantages of a darker color. Very smart looking, IMO.

    SV--

    I like your wife's sense of humor! At least she didn't go to the dealer and incur the expense of changing out the Smart Keys.... Hey, after leaving her home while you were in London for 5 weeks, you're lucky she didn't change the house locks on you!
  • rgswrgsw Posts: 333
    I'm not an expert in this area. I'm have read in this forum (as others are posting) that 18" tires have more ridgid sidewalls and the ride is not as smooth. They wear faster than 17". My post was more to alert you to what I had read earlier in this forum and what my salesman told me. He did not expand on what the customer did not like about the 18" wheels.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Flint Mica looks nice in the brochure. I will go to a dealership and check this out.
  • famwaldfamwald Posts: 114
    I looked at a slightly used LS in the Flint Mica in December and it *is* a beautiful color....rather a dark charcoal grey with an almost soft black look to it. I passed on the car due to 18" wheels . . . and bought the Mercury Metallic.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Right. In the brochure it looks like a dark gray. Handsome color.
    Mercury metallic is still my #1 but I do want to see the flint mica in person.
  • feverhartfeverhart Posts: 144
    Has anyone heard any scuttlebutt about the 2007 LS? If it were to come as a hybred with all wheel drive, well then, I'm chomping at the bit--can't wait. On the other hand, any thing else would not encourage me to switch. Thanks for any information, pro or con.
  • gwendolyngwendolyn Posts: 46
    I need to replace the ps pump. I found the 'maval lexus ps pump for $221.00. Has anoyone used this pump. Any recommendations...should I stay with the Lexus pump for $528.00?
  • garyh1garyh1 Posts: 386
    There is an Edmunds forum under "Future Vehicles" called "2007 Lexus LS". Some interesting info from a couple of Japanese participants, plus lots of speculation. Check it out.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    Feverhart:

    Does this 2007 LS spy pic (I don't know for certain here cos I can't read Japanese) get you chumping-at-the-bit ?

    oac, "2007 Lexus LS" #20, 4 Jan 2005 3:36 pm
  • yickwoyickwo Posts: 54
    OAC,

    IMHO, the spy photo depicts a copy job of the current generation of MB S-Class just as the current generation of the LS has some resemblance of the previous generation S-Class.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    I don't know how or where you see an S-class in that sketch. I see none whatsoever. That looks too much like the GS but from everything stated the cars will have greater resemblance to one another in all of their next runs. So we'll see but I'm pretty certain we will get something along the lines of sport/athletic and HP to match. Lexus is definitely going more racy but will not go all the way there with the LS.
  • oacoac Posts: 1,594
    Yeah, just like Ljflx said. I don't see any MB resemblance in that *sketch* whatsoever. Are you looking at the same sketch ??? Cos that sketch is not proof of the new LS style, but is generally in the direction of the LF-S concept, and has nothing to do with MBs... Even Merc1, a die-hard MB fan(atic) would admit no MB copy here.
  • yickwoyickwo Posts: 54
    OAC & ljflx,

    Are you talking about the news paper sketch or the spy photo in the link provided? I was referring to the spy photo showing a grey Lexus. The front end, especially the headlight treatment is S-Class like.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I'm almost sorry I took the last test drive. Every day since, someone from the dealership has called.
    They know that I have 4 more months on my BMW lease and that I am not ready to buy/lease at this time.
    Today the guy who took me for the TD called and offered to buy-out the remaining 4 months on my lease. About $2000. Talk about aggressive!
    He said he will e-mail me his lease quote for 3 years, 36,000 miles.
    I assume his generosity will be incorporated into the capitalized cost which he intends to "capital murder" me with.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    End of the quarter sales events usually warrant phone calls but end of the quarter ones sometimes get dynamic. Some of the best deals possible happen in the last 10-15 days of any quarter. So this may be a lot more interesting a set-up for you 3 months from now.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    So what you are saying is I should "go at 'em" aggressively from mid June to the end of June?
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    The link OAC provided is what I am referencing. That is completely a sketch of the LFS enhanced somewhat. Nothing S-class related in that sketch, nor is there any MB look in the new GS or IS or the potential HPX if it is built. Slight pull towards BMW in the notchback in that sketch but that's it and it's small potatoes with the major change in Lexus styling dynamics.

    The other picture is an existing car - read post 38. That is absolutely NOT the next LS.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,687
    Yeah particularly on the LS. The GS looks to be hot for a while to come. June is bigger than March for cutting deals because they are already looking at model year end inventory set-ups and its halfway thru the calenday year.
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