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Lexus LS 400/LS 430



  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    If you go to Elite Dealers(who isn't??!!!) and go to "Florida", the first column has 4 Lexus dealerships. You will see that all 4 are open on Sunday!
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Hey Garyh1:
    I already tried the GS430 and liked it a lot. No. Lexus did not miss the mark on the GS430.
    I am sure the salesman will ask me to demo one after he sees me drive up in a BMW. I would love to drive it again.
    Yes. I am seriously considering it.
    Even the BMW fanatic, Trevor Hofmann, at Canadian Automotive Network, admits the GS 430 is the equal of the 5 series. He gave the GS a rave review several days ago.
    We'll see what happens.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Hey thanks anyway, Mitchell, but you don't have to e-mail it.
    Appreciate it.
  • mox1mox1 Posts: 24
    Most reviews I've read say that the driver's seat is extremely comfortable and can be adjusted to suit most. I've had my 05 LS for 6 months and just can't seem to find a perfect spot. I keep having to change either my position or the seat adjustments every 25-30 miles. It feels like the configuration of the back rest changes after a while ever so subtley. Am I imagining or has it happened to anyone else? I moved to the LS from an RX and may be cannot get adapted from the captain's high seating to the low bucket seats?? I love the car otherwise, but keep wondering why I can't find a comfortable position in a car I spent close to $ 70K. ONLY for this reason, I have had thoughts about trading my 6 month old LS to get the new GS or GX (and take a big financial hit). Any comments would be very helpful.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Yes. I drove an LS 430 several days ago and found the seats just "okay." Nothing great. The most comfortable drivers seats I ever sat in were in a 2002 Passat and a 2004 Volvo wagon.
  • mox1 : ? ... open the drivers door ... look closely at the point where the seat back meets the seat bottom ... squat a little if you have to to see ... IF THE SEAT BACK AND SEAT BOTTOM ARE SEPERATED .. EVEN BY 1 , 2 OR 3 INCHES , THEN :
    most likely ... ( now this is my opinion ... not known by me to be fact ) ... there are two OE builders of seats for the ls 430 ... one builder builds the drivers seat with a seperation between seat back and seat bottom ... and the other builds the drivers seat neck and neck ( seat bottom and seat top touching each other ) ...
    if your ls430 has the seperated bottom and back ,
    try pushing the button on the side of the drivers seat to lengthen or shorten the seat bottom ... in an attempt to place the seat bottom and seat back in tandem ( touching each other ) ...
    further : release electrically ( another button on the left side of the drivers seat ) the lumber to zero ( let all the air out ) .
    if that does not help your comfort , go to your dealer , look at other ls430's ... find one with the tight seat back , seat bottom ... and if it's the same color and same leather style ... ask your dealer to swap the seats ... it's 4 bolts on the floor ... labor time = 1/2 hour . if your leather seat cover shows wear , the dealer will ask you to buy another seat cover , so the next guy get's a new car .
    again : i don't know this as fact ... but i sure as hxxx know what you are feeling ... been there , done that .
    mitchell rowe
  • garyh1garyh1 Posts: 386
    Mitchellrowe's comments are most interesting. In my experience, the forward-back adjustment of the top seat cushion is the most critical setting-- for the good or the bad. I have it set in a way that works great for me, but when I had a cousin (who is about 6'4") sit in the car, he couldn't fit in even with the whole seat all the way back. Then I adjusted the seat cushion itself back, and all of a sudden he was fine in the seat. Go figure....
  • jfzjfz Posts: 45
    My LS430 followed a 2000 E320 with standard seats. The MB seat is rock-hard with no lumbar support. And you what...I have driven in it as much as 950 miles in a single day and found the seats to be great.

    I also have had issues with extended drives in the LS. With the lower seat cushion extended for thigh support, the rear portion provides less lateral support. I have been the most comfortable by 1) raising the seat as far off the floor as headroom will allow, 2) reducing the lumbar support setting, 3) tipping the front of the seat slightly forward, and 4) moving the entire seat forward to unload the thigh when my left foot is on the footrest.

    If the lower seat cushion had more lateral bolstering over the entire length and was not as concave in the center, I don't think any of us would have any of these issues with the seat.
  • jbianco12jbianco12 Posts: 125
    This might be hard to believe for some on this thread, but the most comfortable seats I've ever had were in my 1994 Cad Fleetwood! It was like sitting on my great big living room sofa. It had 3 lumbar support adjustments. I still kind of miss that car...should have kept the old relic as a momento. They just don't make 'em that big anymore.
    With that said, I tinkered with the LS seats and found a comfortable position. I've taken the LS on long drives through the desert to Las Vegas without "seating fatigue". I think you'll get used to the LS seats...they're pretty good once you get used to them.
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    Hi all!

    My 2005 LS430 just hit 5000 miles and now I am stuck with a big red EXCLAMATION mark on my dash reminding me that "Maintenance Req'd"

    I've checked the manual to see if i can disable this annoying reminder with no luck -- and I've searched this forum with no luck either.

    Can anyone PLEASE tell me how to disable this light/message. I don't plan on going in for service 'till 7500 miles.

    By the way -- this is BY FAR the best vehicle I have ever owned. Wow, double wow, and wow again.
    The rude red exclamation mark on my speedo has GOT to go though!!!!!!


  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I had my second test drive of an LS430 this morning. This was a pre-owned 2004, euro-tuned, 18" summer tires, modern luxury package with about 12,000 miles on it.
    This one felt and drove better than the other LS which was essentially a no-frills basic LS.
    This driver's seat was so comfortable that I could have easily fallen asleep from being so relaxed.
    I felt like I was riding on air. Never felt this way in any other car.
    A much better experience .
    One negative-I noticed that to accelerate and feel the power there is a slight delay when stepping on the accelerator.
    Anybody else have this problem?
    All in all, I can see why many people are very loyal to this car.
  • frankie33frankie33 Posts: 28
    Just went through the same thing. Go to page 95 of your owner's manual & follow the instructions for mileage reset.
  • garyh1garyh1 Posts: 386
    Glad you had a much better experience this time!

    There is a fairly recent Technical Service Bulletin on this delay on acceleration; I believe it involves a reprogramming of the computer. I have also found that the computer "learns" how you drive and adapts accordingly; it is possible that the previous owner consciously or unconsciously "trained" it that way.

    So the question becomes (for you and any other previous German performance car owner)-- are you willing to trade off performance at the margin for greater comfort (and of course reliability). Also, that comfort also gives a greater sense of isolation from the road; some people see that as a positive, others as a negative. The fact is that an above-base LS handles well, but you certainly don't get the engine noise, the sense of being low to the ground, and some other driving "dynamics" that smaller sports sedans offer.

    And of course the LS has some very nice toys-- did you get to play with them?
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,661
    Not surprised by the change in your opinion but am surprised by the seat. I've always found the LS seats supremely comfortable dating back to 1995. One thing that doesn't change from model to model is the seats. Coverings may change but not the seat itself. Maybe the other one just was bad or you never got it set right.

    Did you drive the GS again??
  • famwaldfamwald Posts: 114
    I had my second test drive of an LS430 this morning. This was a pre-owned 2004 . . . . . This one felt and drove better than the other LS which was essentially a no-frills basic LS.

    Keep in mind, hpowders, that the overall suspension or shock absorption system on the '04 and earlier is very different from the '05 LS. That was why I preferred the 'feel' of the used cars and didn't really care for the "couchmobile" ride of the '05 (although I ended up with an '05--none of the '04s had heated seats). website talks about this new system: constant leveling or something like that. Kills any sort of resemblance to a Euro-feel drive experience. ~sigh~
  • sv7887sv7887 Posts: 351
    Hi All,
    The only thing that changed mechanically was Monotubed Shock Absorbers. It shouldn't be a dramatic change. Lexus usually doesn't significantly (From a mechanical) change a car after its mid-cycle refresh.

    The drive by wire system being installed on all of these cars is a major pain. I'm told this system adapts to your driving style. In the ES forum, some say to drive it hard initially to get rid of any hesitation. I'm not sure why they went this electronic route to begin with. It seems pointless.

  • Hp

    I think they are all that way...I have heard some say it is better in the 05 but mine is an 01 so I don't know....did you use the power button this time.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    No. I didn't get to play with them. However, I did like the way the ac gratings can swivel although that could be distracting after the novelty wears off. Kind of neat how the rear window sunshade rises when shifting to reverse so the backup camera can do its thing.
    The driver's seat was very comfortable in the 2004 pre-owned LS but wasn't in the basic 2005 LS.
    Sure. I can see myself in one of these.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Unfortunately, ALL GS's at this dealership have "SOLD" on them.
    Contrary to what some folks have been posting here, quite a few people must not find the GS too ugly.
    I did walkarounds for 6 GS's and the "gotta have it" factor was pretty high for me!
    But I have to admit, except for the annoying hesitation when stepping on the gas, the LS was impressive.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    I didn't realize that, famwald. I asked the salesman about any changes from 2004 to 2005 and he said it was basically the same car.
    One things's for sure-I will drive several 2005 LS's before I make up my mind.
    The accelerator hesitation would definitely be a deal-breaker if it happens in 2 other demo's.
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