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2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee

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  • dvp16dvp16 Posts: 15
    I think the key is the tires are not even trail capable let alone off road capable. The sidewalls on the lattitude's are not designed for off road. The on/off road tires I have had before also performed better in snow than highway tires.
  • dvp16dvp16 Posts: 15
    I had a lot of sucess with the Goodyear Silent Armor's 20's on my Ram 4X4. Not sure if they come in the Cherokee size in 20's but they do make an 18 that will fit the Cherokee. That is what I am replacing these lattitudes with if I keep the vehicle.
  • dvp16dvp16 Posts: 15
    Last communication with Chrysler was....go talk to the dealer about the tires. I decided I should communicate in writing for legal purposes. My dealer is not responding to my correspondence.
  • new_jeepienew_jeepie Posts: 59
    edited April 2011
    Hello,

    You are correct in your analysis regarding the sidewall. The problem starts with the tread depth being shallow at 10/32. The tire has no proper evacuation for water in the 5 rib tread design. The tire is venerable to getting clog with stones and other matter since the gap is small. With all that said, the sidewall does not have any chance to be effective. Which means for the driver who sticks to the street and highway, problems will develop for them in variable snow conditions and heavy driven rain in the loss of proper traction. This was reported by some in the Latitude's reviews at Tirerak. The Goodyear Fortera Tripletread (had it on my Xterra & Pathfinder) which is also a highway tire has a better design all around and you get the traction that is needed for snow, rain, and even with dirt and light gravel roads. BTW, I also had the Firestone Destination AT on the Xterra, that was nice tire in the snow as well as for off-road (Just wished it had more sipping).

    I still can not understand how the engineer's at Jeep think that the Latitude is an on/off road all terrain tire. Granted the Latitude does have siping elements in the tread design, however, you still need the other key parts of parts of the tire for it work properly. You can not simple rely on the power of the 4x4 transfer case to get you thru with mediocre or inferior tires. The majority of us who buy all terrain tires know we might have the same MPG or lose some. Even BFG (the parent company is Michelin) says the Latitude is a highway tire. How the chain of command made this decision and justification to use the Michelin Latitude is beyond me at this point.

    It is interesting that Corporate is making this matter a dealer problem and not taking on the responsibility. We know that the first viewing for the press and test vehicles had the Latitude's on them, check out the YouTube videos. Does this mean the dealer's were suppose to ask us which tire we want? The one on the Videos or the one that cost extra? The Jeep website never indicated such. Just said Michelin on/off road tire when looked at before I made my purchase. The only on/off road all terrain tire Michelin has to offer under their brand name is only the LTX AT2, a retail price of $200.00 plus. What bothers me the most is When I researched into the JGC, the tire had question marks on it, but, I did not know it was this bad. They could have given us a BFG tire, which technically is Michelin.

    Now is the time for Fait/Chrysler/Jeep to get the act right on the On/Off Road tire for the Adventure Package. It should be interesting when I goto the New York Auto show next week and see what the boys and girls from Michigan have to say.

    Sorry if this is a long post, however, some information here might help others. As I have said before, I still love my JGC. Best for now. :)
  • 3xjeep3xjeep Posts: 11
    edited April 2011
    What triggers the change oil message? Seems very strange that the service is 8k or 6 months per the book, this makes your message seem to be premature. I understand why you are changing oil at 3k as you have paid for it with the extended warranty, I don't have the extended warranty (still thinking about it) so unless I buy it I'm sticking to the book.
    I am also interested how the oil change notice resets.
  • mayhermayher Posts: 41
    Looking to purchase a new Grand Cherokee soon. Have driven both the V6 and the Hemi. The 6 is adequate for my needs but really fell in love with the power and smoothness of the Hemi. I realize that we are not buying these vehicles for mileage, but with gas at $4 + per gallon and rising, it becomes a concern. Does anyone have any real world mileage figures city/highway after owning a GC with the Hemi for a while that they would share? Advertised mileage for the Hemi is 13/19 city/highway. The 13 scares me with gas at current pricing and rising. Would probably help make my decision easier. Thanks
  • I felt the exact same way; the Hemi felt way better. I am getting close to 16 mpg on my commute to work but most of my drive is on the highway. The Hemi is only about 2 mpg lower than the V6 as it is more efficient than the V6.
  • jreworldjreworld Posts: 3
    I drive conservatively and I get about 13-15 city, 17-19 hwy on the Hemi. I once got 20.3 on a trip back from SF to LA. Hope that helps.
  • xc90508xc90508 Posts: 26
    I found the reset in the manual, which I don't have in front of me right now. But it was something to the effect of pressing the start button to the "Run" position, without starting the vehicle, and pressing the gas peddle three or four times to reset.

    I will keep an eye on this. Maybe an early change indication due to break-in oil. But I don't know. Not sure if it looks at many factors, miles, engine time, etc. Not sure if it check amount of contaminants in oil or anything like that.
  • new_jeepienew_jeepie Posts: 59
    edited April 2011
    I have now 2600+ miles on my V6 now which is mostly highway driving. I general drive from conservatively to moderate depending on where I am going and doing . So far, I have been using regular gas only.

    Basically, with the Northeast blend of gas for the City I would get about 11-16 depending on which street or road I am on. If do not catch the traffic lights and stop at every other block, the gas mile is on the low side. Highway I am doing anywhere from 18.5 - 21 averaging speeds about 70. The best on was 23.5 during 60 mph.

    We should be getting our Summer gas blend shortly and will look at the numbers again. Out of curiosity, which gas do use with the Hemi.

    Best for now. :)
  • fbj1445fbj1445 Posts: 7
    I spoke to my dealers service mgr the next day and he had told me that it was normal because he said they put this protective coating in all the internal parts like the exhaust and engine called DYMOLINE, not sure if that is the correct spelling, from the factory which usually burns off within the first 500-1000 miles. He said it can either burn off slowly or like in my case all at once. I have not had any problems since, thank God, but after hearing your situation, I am still a little bit concerned! I love my Jeep and would be pretty pissed off if that happened to me! That reving high at highway speeds sounds like the tranny is stuck in gear! I'd bring it back and have the tranny inspected thats probably why you get that clunking on downshift! Anyway, good luck to you!
  • fbj1445fbj1445 Posts: 7
    I use 89 which is recommended, but they say 87 is ok for the hemi! I've gotten 22.3mpg at 65mph with cruise on! Not bad for a V8!
  • Hello,

    That is great, I am glad you like the JGC. Looks like the Hemi is just about the same as the V6 in terms of gas mileage.

    The two reasons which I did not go for the Hemi was I found a Laredo X package with the Adventure Package & Quadra Lift for an excellent price. The other reason I did not have the extra money to get the Overland with the Hemi and the Adventure Package.

    Overall, I am very please. Best of now. :)
  • usafausafa Posts: 7
    I just ordered a JGC Overland with the V-8. I had a question regarding the UConnect and wireless "hotspot" feature. Does anybody know if this requires a monthly Sirius contract (after the free period ends) or if it is free of charge (a feature of the new model).

    My dealer wasn't sure.
  • kgvwkgvw Posts: 29
    If I remember correctly, it is a type of modem sold and installed by Chrysler/Jeep and then a monthly svc charge after that. I don't think it has anything to do with Sirius.

    Enjoy your new GC Overland, got mine in December, ordered in Sept. I just put my cross bars on the existing rails. Look good, too bad they're no longer standard. :confuse:
  • kgvwkgvw Posts: 29
    Had the GYR's on my 05 GC. They were outstanding. Never came.close to getting stuck in over 16" of unplowed snow. Good tread life also. I just got new Michilin LTX's. Great tire and rated higher on Tire Rack's site. Quieter than the GYR's and a bit more compliant on a chatterboard road. Look good too. Going to Utah in August, guess I'll see how they really do. :D
  • Hello,

    Did your JGC come with the Latitude's? Which Michelin LTX, the M/S 2 or the A/T 2 did you install on your vehicle? Sears recommended either one and TireRack has them rated high on both categories.

    I am now starting to focus on the BFG Rugged Terrain T/A (Due on May 1st) after rereading the reviews. In Peterson's 4Wheeler magazine, the review indicated that they had no problems with snow. The only problem was in heavy mud, which an all terrain tire will encounter problems with. It seams that BFG is making a great effort to respond to us, the consumer, in redesigning the product line and not sit on their reputation.

    As I have posted before, the use of a dedicated winter tire is still a possibility with Nokian as the leading choice.

    Happy trails this summer. Best for now. :)
  • kgvwkgvw Posts: 29
    I got the AT-2's. They're not a true all terrain tire, but an On-Off road tire. I wanted a good mix because I don't run off road that often but when I do I'd like to have confidence in my equipment. Real nice on road. Much quieter than AT's and looks pretty aggressive for.some on trail runs. Certainly a long way from the original Latitude Touring, to.bad Chrysler doesn't see it that way. :D
  • Does anyone have anything new on this? I bought my JGC in November 2010, and have had serious problems with acceleration. The dealer is not helpful at all and is discouraging me from even having it looked at.
  • dvp16dvp16 Posts: 15
    This winter I actually slid into an intersection because of the lattitues not shedding snow. I am actually one of the people that posted a review on tire rack about it and others have also complained about this tire trait. I am sure the dealers will say you accepted the vehicle with those tires on it so what if the spec sheet says on/off road. I am very disappointed in chrysler. A friend is suggesting that I just get it over with and take the dealer to small claims court.
  • dvp16dvp16 Posts: 15
    My average since oct/2010 is 15 city/highway with about 80% of that being city driving. I use a midgrade octane.
  • kgvwkgvw Posts: 29
    Just so you know, even if you win in small claims that doesn't mean you can collect. In any case I really believe it's not a dealer problem it's a Chrysler problem, they built it, the dealer.didn't. You've.got.to try to.work it out with a good Chrysler case manager. Push them hard, I found a sympathetic one and she's pushing to get new tires to satisfy me. :)
  • Hello,

    Other forum members have reported that if you turn off the hill assist in the set up menu, you should have reduce hesitation. The drive by wire system in the JGC looks at a lot of things. So if one I item is marked off, then the computer will think faster. I have tried this method and found it to work.

    The other method that I found was using the auto stick to manually [non-permissible content removed] gears. The JGC does take off. Also, if dry traction conditions are present and your model has the selec-terrain system, set to sport.

    I have now 2800 miles on the V6 and now I am happy with the engine.

    Best for now. :)
  • Hello,

    Thank you for your input and candid remarks in this wonderful forum. Are you also the one who switched to the Michelin LTX M/S 2 tire?

    Small claims court is a tricky process, especially if the problem arise from a national or interstate source, such as Chrysler. From my last talks with Chrysler and a recent post, I think now they are catching even more flak for their error in judgement.

    Yes, the sad part about this is Chrysler does not want to take any responsible for this. This tire simply does not perform and it was never intended to perform as a
    on/off road all-terrain tire. You have experience a dangerous situation, I have reported on problems in heavy rain, what about the next driver who thinks they have the right tire for the elements and gets into a serious problem.

    The New York Auto Show is here, I am hopefully going to speak to somebody from the national scene and see what can be done to rectify this problem.

    Otherwise, I hope you are enjoying the JGC. Best for now and happy holidays. :)
  • new_jeepienew_jeepie Posts: 59
    edited April 2011
    Hi,

    You are right, the key is to find and get a sympathetic one. If everybody keeps this up, they just might bend. As I have said in past posts, the best course of action is keep on Chrysler, including those who have switch tires already. Try to get reimbursed.

    Their is information in this forum about what is wrong with the tire and how it is a problem. Use this information in your talks with Chrysler.

    Best for Now. :)
  • usafausafa Posts: 7
    I'm picking up my Overland this afternoon (w/ adventure group II). I talked to the dealer yesterday and they informed me the tires on my vehicle are the P265/60R18 OWL On/Off-road tires. I believe these are the appropriate tires from what I can gather from reading on-line and following these posts. Can anyone please confirm this?

    Also, does anyone have perspective on how good (or bad) these tires are?
  • new_jeepienew_jeepie Posts: 59
    edited April 2011
    Hello,

    Congratulations on your purchase. As the expression goes, you should use in good health and have fond memories with it.

    To summarize, if you are getting the Michelin Latitude tire in the P265/60R18 OWL On/Off-road tires as Jeep is currently giving, it depends on your view and application. Many of us, including myself, within this forum are not happy with the tire as our posts have indicated.

    The Good: A nice quiet tire in dry conditions.

    Serious Off-Roading: Many say no despite the videos on YouTube showing the Latitude's going over dry conditions at Moab Ut.

    Wet Conditions:
    The last few posts by others say no.

    Snow Conditions: A few posts before yours, a fellow forum member almost lost their JGC. I missed all the great action with the snow this year. :cry:

    Lite Off-Roading:
    I have serious doubts now that my treads get stuck with too many small stones. In certain dry conditions, maybe. Depends what you are doing.

    Bottom Line: If you read all my posts (see # 286 for a full summary) you see that I do not like the tire. However, with this size rim as I have posted many other tire manufactures including Michelin offer excellent tires. The tire issue should not stop you or any one from purchasing this fine vehicle.

    Happy Holidays and Best for Now. :)
  • bill328bill328 Posts: 5
    I wish you luck! Mine were advertised on sticker and order form as on/off road tires, but arrived as Michelin Latitude Tour tires, an all season tire. I am considering legal action as Jeep and the dealer refuse to respond to the misrepresentation.
  • usafausafa Posts: 7
    Thanks for the info. I picked up my JGC yesterday and was impressed with how it looked. The tires were the P265/60R18 on-off road tire ( as advertised). I agree these are not serious off-road tires. I live in Minnesota and question if I'd be able to get out of my driveway in some of the serious snows we've had this year.

    I had BFG All-Terrain TAs on my old '98 JGC (and old '97 Z71 pick-up) and they were able to go through snow, mud, etc. no problem.

    I will have to see how these do this summer with some mild off-road driving to determine if it is worth investing in more serious tires.
  • new_jeepienew_jeepie Posts: 59
    edited April 2011
    You are quite welcome.

    I like to follow tire product announcements on www.off-road.com and Petersen's www.4wheeloffroad.com. The search engines's on these websites are very good.

    I also learned, if you are not required in your area to have a tire with the snowflake symbol, their are other tires on the market that have better performance and price right. Researching these tires is must to find the right one.

    You also might consider a dedicated winter tire if it is possible to store them during the off season.

    Between August and October, new product announcements for the upcoming winter should be coming out.

    Best for now. :)
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