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2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee

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  • new_jeepienew_jeepie Posts: 59
    edited April 2011
    This past Christmas snow storm, here in the Northeast, I saw so many 4x4 getting stuck in 6 - 12 inches of soft snow during the early parts of the storm. If they had a fair On/Off Road All Terrain tire, not a mud tire, they would be driving safely though the snow instead of spinning the wheels.

    Today, the tire manufactures have made significant advancement for the On/Off Road All Terrain tires. In particular, the ability of the tire to self clean-out the tread to achieve maximum tire traction. Whether it is for street/highway driver going though the snow or rain or the off-roader going into mud, gravel roads and rocks, the On/Off Road All Terrain has great many positive features over the traditional all season tire. The Michelin Latitude's are classified as an all season highway tire with a 10/32 inch tread depth.

    To answer your question, for us who paid for the extra option to meet our requirements, we expected to get what we believed to be the right tire. We did not vision to go out spend any where from $800.00 to $1,200.00 additionally. Other 4x4 SUV manufactures that offer the advanced off-road options, give you an On/Off Road All Terrain tire. You might ask, how come I did not go for a different SUV brand where I would get those tires? The answer is simple, the 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee is far better than the others in the class range. BTW, even those who get or have a 4X2 (pickups, vans etc.) sometimes will get a All Terrain tire for better traction.

    Best for now :)
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    I briefly enjoyed a Jeep Grand Cherokee 2011 Overland with the Off-Road Adventure Package and smaller wheels until it was lost in an accident. My observations: the stock Michilin Latitude non-HP tires are good but not great. See the evaluation on tirerack.com for the skinny on these tires. But if you replace them with Nokian WR G2 tires, the whole game changes. The tires become thoroughly competent in any weather including blinding rain and driving snow. Buy them. You will be amazed.

    As for the JGC, it is a wonderful vehicle but has a fatal flaw - the 5-speed tranny. The car definitely needs an 8-speed tranny to improve both acceleration and fuel consumption. I can see how Chrysler wanted to get it on the road ASAP but it is not yet ready and needs better gas mileage, something that will be accomplished hopefully in the next two years.

    Until then, it does not shake at any speed, is refined, quiet and comfortable, but needs drive train work.

    Until then, I will stick with the Cruze and follow with rapt anticipation your communications with the board, etc.
  • joeb24joeb24 Posts: 111
    I have JGC Overland with the 20 inch wheels. I am thinking about getting All Terrain or Snow tires. Tire Rack recommends the Bridgestone Blizzak DM-V1 for a snow tire. Has anyone found (or can recommend) an All Terrain tire in the 20 inch size (265/50-20) that I can leave on the car all year and will be good in snow? I have had no experience with the original equipment Good Year tires in snow.
  • new_jeepienew_jeepie Posts: 59
    edited April 2011
    Hi,

    The Goodyear Fortera OE tire that comes with your GC is like any other Highway tire in snow. It is hit or miss in snow situations, even the goodyear dealers say that.

    As for going with a dedicated snow tire, which folks do, the Bridgestone Biizzak DM-V1 is highly rated. Goodyear is supposed to be coming out with new sizes for their highly rated dedicated snow tree, the Ultra Grip series. Also, many consider the Nokian tires from Finland as top snow tire has your size as well and it is easier to find now.

    www.nokiantires.com/tyre?id=11942&group=2.01.02&name=Nokian+Hakkapeliitta+R+SUV

    With regards to the All Terrain, it is hard to find a decent tire in that size which is one of the reasons I went with the Adven. Pkg. I do know that many tire manufactures next month will be releasing new models and additional sizes. I would look into Cooper, Goodyear, BFG, Hankook and also Kumbu that I know of that will be able to assist you. Since I have 18" wheels, I never looked into it.

    If I come across something, I will post the link. Best for now. :)

    P.S. With dedicated snow tires you have watch your speed with some models so check the rating or ask the dealer.
  • joeb24joeb24 Posts: 111
    Thanks very much, new jeepie. I used to use the Nokian WR G for my Subaru, and one could use it year-round (no tire switch in winter/summer). Do you know if the Nokian Hakkapelitta can be used similarlry, or is it a dedicated winter trie?

    The Bridgestone DM-V1 has an "R" rating and TireRack said it should be safe to use on the JGC.

    Guess we should repeat this conversation 6 months from now!
  • Nokain now calls the WR G the WRG2 SUV which can be used year round. However, I do not remember if they have your size yet or the WR SUV.

    The Hakkapelitta is R speed tire as well. As for all year, they say you can, however, not recommended because during the summer months the hotter temperatures will make the tire compounds softer. Various reviews that I have read, those who live in the colder climates leave them on all year long if they do not travel south during the warm seasons.

    The rule of thumb with an R rated tire is not go over 106 MPH for a constant period of no more than 30 minutes.

    Best for now. :)
  • xc90508xc90508 Posts: 26
    The owner's manual states 8,000 mile intervals for service.
    I did get an extended warranty that also includes service at 3,000 mile
    intervals. I will keep the shorter intervals until the extended warranty expires. I don't know that I would go to 8,000 miles, but we'll see when we get there.

    About 500 miles after getting the oil changed, the message center showed a message that an oil change was due.

    If the message center shows oil change required at 3,500 miles, I don't know that I would shut the message off and wait another 4,500 miles for an oil change.

    Any thoughts? Anyone else run in to that?

    BTW, it looks like you can't shut that message off until it shows up.
    It doesn't seem like it can be reset at the oil change. Just reset when it shows up.
  • Hi joeb24,

    Also, look at Nitto tires from Japan, the Dune Grappler comes in your size and they are a on/off road all terrain tire.

    Best for now. :)
  • new_jeepienew_jeepie Posts: 59
    edited April 2011
    First and foremost, sorry about your loss with the JGC. This is truly a wonderful vehicle.

    You are right about the Michelin Latitude's, they are simply a good basic tire for the highway in clear weather conditions. As stated by many in this forum, the tread depth and tread design is an increasing issue especially in the various weather conditions. As I reported in a past post, I did find the tire in a blinding rain does not have the same stability that it should have.

    I did talk to Nokian a while back, at that time they would not sure if they are coming out with the All Terrain or when for both of the JGC sizes. They did recommend the dedicated winter tire, which is not bad option. I almost pulled the trigger 4 years ago for the Nokian WR SUV, but the price then was too much. I got great deal on Goodyear triple treads. The reviews for the Nokian product line get high marks from many owners.

    As for the gas mileage, I have learned over years the winter gas blend is not fuel efficient and you always burn more, like jet fuel. The last two years has been worse. It would be great if we had 8-speed tranny. In the beginning I hated the tranny with the V6, now by using the auto stick for manual shifting purpose when I need too, I have been comfortable and happy with the drive train. If Jeep does come out with a better transmission, it would be great if the old one was upgradable as well.

    I hope you keep us in mind and do consider getting a JGC down the road again.

    Best for now. :)
  • joeb24joeb24 Posts: 111
    Just got the bottom of the driver's seat replaced. I bought JGC in March and there were imperfections/stains in the leather on the seat bottom of the driver's seat. At first, I just accepted it, but then I decided to try to have the dealer do something about it (being somewhat of a perfectionist when it comes to my cars). It turns out Chrysler said it was a warrantable repair so it cost me nothing. I was worried about having it done since they would have to take apart the whole front seat to do the repair, and it is a power seat with the ventilation feature. But dealer did a great job. Everything works and new leather matches the original leather. I like my JGC even more now!
  • dvp16dvp16 Posts: 15
    I think the key is the tires are not even trail capable let alone off road capable. The sidewalls on the lattitude's are not designed for off road. The on/off road tires I have had before also performed better in snow than highway tires.
  • dvp16dvp16 Posts: 15
    I had a lot of sucess with the Goodyear Silent Armor's 20's on my Ram 4X4. Not sure if they come in the Cherokee size in 20's but they do make an 18 that will fit the Cherokee. That is what I am replacing these lattitudes with if I keep the vehicle.
  • dvp16dvp16 Posts: 15
    Last communication with Chrysler was....go talk to the dealer about the tires. I decided I should communicate in writing for legal purposes. My dealer is not responding to my correspondence.
  • new_jeepienew_jeepie Posts: 59
    edited April 2011
    Hello,

    You are correct in your analysis regarding the sidewall. The problem starts with the tread depth being shallow at 10/32. The tire has no proper evacuation for water in the 5 rib tread design. The tire is venerable to getting clog with stones and other matter since the gap is small. With all that said, the sidewall does not have any chance to be effective. Which means for the driver who sticks to the street and highway, problems will develop for them in variable snow conditions and heavy driven rain in the loss of proper traction. This was reported by some in the Latitude's reviews at Tirerak. The Goodyear Fortera Tripletread (had it on my Xterra & Pathfinder) which is also a highway tire has a better design all around and you get the traction that is needed for snow, rain, and even with dirt and light gravel roads. BTW, I also had the Firestone Destination AT on the Xterra, that was nice tire in the snow as well as for off-road (Just wished it had more sipping).

    I still can not understand how the engineer's at Jeep think that the Latitude is an on/off road all terrain tire. Granted the Latitude does have siping elements in the tread design, however, you still need the other key parts of parts of the tire for it work properly. You can not simple rely on the power of the 4x4 transfer case to get you thru with mediocre or inferior tires. The majority of us who buy all terrain tires know we might have the same MPG or lose some. Even BFG (the parent company is Michelin) says the Latitude is a highway tire. How the chain of command made this decision and justification to use the Michelin Latitude is beyond me at this point.

    It is interesting that Corporate is making this matter a dealer problem and not taking on the responsibility. We know that the first viewing for the press and test vehicles had the Latitude's on them, check out the YouTube videos. Does this mean the dealer's were suppose to ask us which tire we want? The one on the Videos or the one that cost extra? The Jeep website never indicated such. Just said Michelin on/off road tire when looked at before I made my purchase. The only on/off road all terrain tire Michelin has to offer under their brand name is only the LTX AT2, a retail price of $200.00 plus. What bothers me the most is When I researched into the JGC, the tire had question marks on it, but, I did not know it was this bad. They could have given us a BFG tire, which technically is Michelin.

    Now is the time for Fait/Chrysler/Jeep to get the act right on the On/Off Road tire for the Adventure Package. It should be interesting when I goto the New York Auto show next week and see what the boys and girls from Michigan have to say.

    Sorry if this is a long post, however, some information here might help others. As I have said before, I still love my JGC. Best for now. :)
  • 3xjeep3xjeep Posts: 11
    edited April 2011
    What triggers the change oil message? Seems very strange that the service is 8k or 6 months per the book, this makes your message seem to be premature. I understand why you are changing oil at 3k as you have paid for it with the extended warranty, I don't have the extended warranty (still thinking about it) so unless I buy it I'm sticking to the book.
    I am also interested how the oil change notice resets.
  • mayhermayher Posts: 41
    Looking to purchase a new Grand Cherokee soon. Have driven both the V6 and the Hemi. The 6 is adequate for my needs but really fell in love with the power and smoothness of the Hemi. I realize that we are not buying these vehicles for mileage, but with gas at $4 + per gallon and rising, it becomes a concern. Does anyone have any real world mileage figures city/highway after owning a GC with the Hemi for a while that they would share? Advertised mileage for the Hemi is 13/19 city/highway. The 13 scares me with gas at current pricing and rising. Would probably help make my decision easier. Thanks
  • I felt the exact same way; the Hemi felt way better. I am getting close to 16 mpg on my commute to work but most of my drive is on the highway. The Hemi is only about 2 mpg lower than the V6 as it is more efficient than the V6.
  • jreworldjreworld Posts: 3
    I drive conservatively and I get about 13-15 city, 17-19 hwy on the Hemi. I once got 20.3 on a trip back from SF to LA. Hope that helps.
  • xc90508xc90508 Posts: 26
    I found the reset in the manual, which I don't have in front of me right now. But it was something to the effect of pressing the start button to the "Run" position, without starting the vehicle, and pressing the gas peddle three or four times to reset.

    I will keep an eye on this. Maybe an early change indication due to break-in oil. But I don't know. Not sure if it looks at many factors, miles, engine time, etc. Not sure if it check amount of contaminants in oil or anything like that.
  • new_jeepienew_jeepie Posts: 59
    edited April 2011
    I have now 2600+ miles on my V6 now which is mostly highway driving. I general drive from conservatively to moderate depending on where I am going and doing . So far, I have been using regular gas only.

    Basically, with the Northeast blend of gas for the City I would get about 11-16 depending on which street or road I am on. If do not catch the traffic lights and stop at every other block, the gas mile is on the low side. Highway I am doing anywhere from 18.5 - 21 averaging speeds about 70. The best on was 23.5 during 60 mph.

    We should be getting our Summer gas blend shortly and will look at the numbers again. Out of curiosity, which gas do use with the Hemi.

    Best for now. :)
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