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Volvo S60

1702817028 Posts: 45
Time to start some discussion on this new and very
interesting car, don't you think? Here's some
stuff to get us going:

A long series of pictures of the car, probably
intended for the release (August 8th, at 15.00
hours CET):

http://www.kamera.com/xvolvo/images/pp/

When will it be in American showrooms? November
1st.

Here's some measurements and facts:

"The car is shorter than the s70: 4.58 m
Other dimensions: width: 180 cm and height 141 m.
The car will have the same engines as the V70, 2.4
of 140 and 170 hp, 2.4T of 200 hp and the T5 of
250 hp.
Diesel engines will come later: 2.2l of 130 -135
hp and a 2.6l of 169 hp" *

I compared this to some other cars. I found that
the measurements are very close to the new Mercedes
C-class in everything except width, where it is
considerably larger. And as the well-known slogan
of Pontiac Grand Am goes, "Wider is better."
As you might know, the S60 is based on the same
platform as the new V70 and the currently available
S80. They shortened the platform to create a
sportier car.

As you might have noticed before, Volvo of North
America doesn't bring all the European engine
choices here, so you'll probably have to make do
with the higher-end options.
Another note on engines, the European measurement
of hp doesn't correspond exactly to the American
bhp.

August 8th, that's tuesday, so pretty soon we'll
be able to see some video footage hopefully.

-17028

* I took this quote from the Volvospy bulletin
board because I don't feel like going back to the
source (a Swedish newspaper) and translating it
right now. I'll do it if anyone is interested in
getting some more info though (most of it is
covered here).
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Comments

  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Another very likeable Volvo. I'll add this one to the list too. Wasup with that shifter? Where in the world is Rollie?


    M
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    please explain European vs American measurement of HP.

    I know for sure that on the S80 they measured torque accurately, and it is the same as on the American, GM 3.8L Supercharged engines, 280 lbs*ft. This is because S80 uses the same GM 4-speed auto tranny as Grand Prix GTP, Regal GS, Bonneville SSEi. The tranny is rated for up to 280 lbs*ft.
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    Kind of a big front overhang, isn't it?

    I really like the car though. I hope it will not be too expensive.
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    That is one funky-looking shifter. I like it. I only hope that the manual tranny is offered in the states. Does anyone know if that is the case? Volvo hasn't given us one in the 40 series (where you'd think there would be one) but has given us one in the new V70 (where you'd think there wouldn't be one.) Those crazy Swedes; always keeping us guessing...:-)
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    Several months ago (it might even be a year now) in Car and Driver magazine, chief editor Csaba Csere wrote an excellent piece on the differences between American hp and European hp. I can't remember a word of the actual explanation, but I do remember that it was well written, as are most of C&D's columns. You might want to check their website to see if they still have that article.
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    I know there is a difference between how they used to measure HP years ago and how they do it now:
    years ago - just the engine, no accessories. That's why American muscle cars had big HP numbers.
    now - with accessories attached to the engine.

    I think nowadays all cars (American and foreign) have their HP measured in the same way. Otherwise how could anyone trust those measurements?
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    There are differences in measurements beyond gross vs. net hp. I know the final numbers are very similar using either method; as I recall, one method uses ASE standards and one uses DIN. I wish I could find that article...it spelled out everything better than I ever could.
  • amazonamazon Posts: 293
    Volvo officially showed the S60 in Sweden today. Sweeeeeeeeeeet.

    http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0008/08/volvo.html
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    The back end of the S60 looks an awful lot like an Accord's, particularly the indentation in the rear fender running from the C-pillar to the taillights. Is it just me?
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    ...The previous ('94-'97) Accord.
  • 1702817028 Posts: 45
    Frankly, I've never bothered to remember the difference, because they are close enough for my purposes. I just wanted to make it clear so no one wonders why the engines will seem to be different here in the US when it is released.

    -17028
  • 1702817028 Posts: 45
    Some pictures reminded me of the older Accord as well, but it wasn't the back end primarily. Look at the top left pic on the page I posted a link to previously.

    -17028
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    just like S80.
  • rollierollie Posts: 337
    Regarding post #1:

    merc1, I'm here (sort of). I'm in the midst of the move from Boston to California and am buried in boxes. Just got the cable modem up and running. I'll be a ghost for a few more days as I help get the house setup and then head out of town to run a new project for work.


    I have been watching the S60 closely and it looks pretty sweet indeed. I just added a 2001 V70 T5 to the garage alongside the S80 T6 so now I'm going to have to figure out how to justify an S60!

    Thanks.

    -rdo
  • rollierollie Posts: 337
    Okay everybody. One more time. Volvo did not copy Honda. It was the other way around. The previous generation Accord borrowed some design cues from the Volvo ECC concept car which debuted nearly a decade ago. The S80 design was a direct descendant of that car and as the progenitor of the current Volvo family it sets the tone for design elements in subsequent models including the S60. It is unfortunate that Honda mass produced a car with this rear-end design well ahead of Volvo but the design came from Volvo and not Honda.

    Thanks.

    -rdo
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    What the heck you doing moving to Cali from Boston? Everyone knows Boston is the coolest city in the universe. :-)
  • prostprost Posts: 3
    Do you think the new S60 will have Xenon as an option? The 2001 S40 has it(at lease in Europe)
  • 1702817028 Posts: 45
    You ready for some prices, folks?

    This is the price range in Sweden, translated into US dollars: from 25,500 USD to 32,500 USD depending on model chosen (without options, I asume).

    Remember that one, or both, of the low-end engines might not come to our shores, so the base price might end up a couple thousand higher than 25.5K.

    I keep hearing a future 4WD option being brought up in different places, it seems to be all but decided.

    -17028

    PS. Good luck in California, Rollie! I just recently moved to Florida, but I prefer Cal. for the climate.
  • musafirmusafir Posts: 27
    Go to volvospy.com, number of photographs with prices for different models and a abbreviated list of standard equipment is there in the news section.
  • s1ginss1gins Posts: 46
    Excellent link! Those picture make the car look wonderful. It should really be able to compete in the class if the price fully equipped can stay under$37K. If AWD is added to the mix, which it should, this car would be hard to beat. Now if the y would only make that an inline six with turbo!!!!
  • alingaling Posts: 598
    Whoa! What a weird tranny shifter...does anyone want to guess how it works (I know its a 5 speed auto with Geartronic)? There doesn't seem to be many markings; perhaps they're located in the instrument cluster?
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    Look more closely at the shifter. It's a manual. Notice the gears marked out on the outer edge of the chrome trim.
  • lweisslweiss Posts: 342
    I assume the Canada article is quoted in Canadian currency, which would equate to about what the S-70 prices are currently (base model- no turbo). It is somewhat smaller on the outside than the current S-70, more the size of the BMW 3 series- is this the target market of the Volvo S-60? They would then position the S-80 against the BMW 5 series, and the S-40 as the low price leader to battle the Japanese makes?
  • 1702817028 Posts: 45
    I think the gearshift is an unusual manual, but I haven't seen the Geartronic so I can't say for sure.

    The prices are a big question mark right now, the European prices quoted by Volvo seems very low (are they factory invoice, or even production cost?). I think the idea that they will end up around the same prices as the V70 range has is plausible.

    And just as V70 is being equipped with AWD to create the XC, so will probably S60 be.

    -17028
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    And I don't even know how to drive a manual well, but all the markings and how they are positioned definitely makes it a manual. Instead of writing 12345R on the top of the stick, they wrote it on the bezel.
  • equalizer1equalizer1 Posts: 177
    I always really liked the S80, and was contemplating purchasing the S40 before I bought my A4, but this looks like it will be a heavy contender for my next car.

    Does anyone know if it will come with a Navigation system like the S80, not the Onstar type that they have mentioned?
  • 1702817028 Posts: 45
    I haven't heard that much about specific options, only some of the new "innovations" (I use the word in the same way Microsoft does). It would surprise me if there wasn't a navigation system offered.

    There should be brochures arriving at dealers in not too long. Then we will know more.

    -17028
  • See:
    http://volvos60.volvocars.se/vcc/
    click the center panel of the little graphic for all the info.
    Good flash, informative movies.
    BTW, the rear-end looks like a S80 to me :).
  • Does anyone have an idea when the S60 will be an option for European Delivery?

    I was really looking forward to the S40, but was definitely upset by the lack of a manual tranny. The S60, although more like a Bimmer than the VW alternative I was considering to the S40, seems like a pricier yet viable option. I'd love to get a few thousand off the base price since I should be in Europe in a couple of months anyway.
  • amazonamazon Posts: 293
    Euro delivery should become an option. I don't know when, though.
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